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I have a confession to make (Warning possible triggers)

Started by AlyssaJ, April 26, 2017, 08:30:19 PM

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AlyssaJ

I'm not totally sure why I feel compelled to make this confession but in some odd way I feel like I almost let all you wonderful folks here down.  Last week my wife and I started talking in some detail about how we can continue to live together and how our relationship might be structured going forward as I continue my transition.  I've already stopped sleeping in our bed and will be moving out of the bedroom completely soon.  One of the other aspects we discussed was the idea of an "Open Marriage".  She doesn't want to be intimate with me anymore but still has sexual desires (as do I) so she felt this was the best way.  We both stated that it would be hard for us to prepare for the other sleeping with other people, and I thought we both agreed that we needed to talk more before we'd be ready.

Well toward the end of last week my wife told me that for her birthday she is planning a trip with her friend to one of those south of the border islands known for couples resorts, swingers and nude beaches.  I asked her point blank if she thought that she'd be hooking up with guys while she was there.  She didn't even hesitate to confirm. I was shocked.  I knew this was coming but I expected we'd discuss it more and I had time to prepare myself, now it was right there in front of me.

Now keep in mind, this is the woman I love and value more than anything in the world. The one who has told me how traumatizing this whole experience has been and who I've had to watch suffer more than I've ever seen before.  It is so traumatizing for her that she hasn't even seen me as Alyssa and freaks out if she even sees the necklace that I wear all the time. She tells me how much she hates not having me in bed with her but it's what she needs to let go, etc.  Yet despite all this trauma, she's some how already fully prepared to sleep with other people??  I was crushed, very depressed and horribly upset.

So I walked out of our room where we were talking. Went to the basement and in a fit of rage knocked over a few things. I then grabbed my pistol and stormed out of the house, got in my car and off I went.  I drove around for quite a while.  I ended up following a route that we used to ride on my motorcycle up through a bunch of state forest lands.  At one of the park areas they have a 10-story observation tower.  I knew this was a place where no one I knew would find me, would be secluded at that time of day so I could be alone and had very little cellular coverage so I wouldn't likely be disturbed.

Conquering my fear of heights, with tears pouring down my face, I climbed to the top deck of the tower and took my firearm out.  I sat down, holding it between my legs and for a very long time contemplated what I would do next. I thought about everything.  All the "Why did this have to happen to me, to us" thoughts rang through my head.  I got angry with God. I thought of all the wonderfulness of our 25 years together and how my transition was destroying all of it. There were moments where I got close to pointing that gun and pulling the trigger.

Obviously, since I'm writing this, I didn't do it.  The thought of my kids, my family and even my wife's reactions to me doing that gave me pause. I also thought about what lies over the horizon for me.  I came to realize my pain is horrible but also temporary and that there is a new life out there for me to discover.  I want to know what it's like to live life finally comfortable in my own skin. And religion even entered into it a bit for me as my own beliefs of the sinful nature of suicide entered my mind.

In the end, I put the gun away.  I sat on that deck for a couple hours and ended up writing a 4 page letter to my wife. In that letter I expressed the pain of her telling me she's ready to be with other people. I discussed how painful it is to hear her constantly refer to me as two different people and attribute all the positives to my male persona and target all her rage and hate at Alyssa.  I explained how I feel it's rare to find a person in this world who loves you no matter what and values you above all else and that I am always going to be that person for her even if she can't return the feelings.  I explained my fear that if she pushes me away, she'll one day regret having pushed away someone who cared for her so deeply but that her realization could come too late.

I'm in a much better place now.  I didn't set out to take my own life that day, when I left I wasn't sure what I was going to do. Ultimately, I don't want to die.  I don't want to take my own life.  I want to see this transition through.  I've never been nearly that close to taking my own life and I'm kind of ashamed that I let myself get to that point. I'm sorry to all of you who've been so supportive of me for almost ditching on you.  I'm here,  I'm stronger than ever, and I will not let that ever happen again.
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

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Devlyn

Big hug! I'm glad you're still with us.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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SailorMars1994

AMAB Born: March 1994
Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Balerie

I'm happy that you decided to live and see things through. Huge hugs! This is a hard life we undertake.


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TonyaW

First off  so glad you came to and didn't do it.

Second don't be ashamed.  I think most of us here have thought about it at least a little. Parts of today's society certainly push us in that dirction.

Did you give her the letter?  Any response?

A few questions for you to ponder and no need to answer to us, just maybe something you hadn't thought of .

Any chance she said she's ready to sleep with others to see your reaction?  If you'd stop your transition?

Is it possible that she wants try with others to see if she can?  If she's ready to move on, at least in that aspect.

And remember you've got friends here all around the world so good chance some one is around  anytime.



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Sinclair

Thanks for the trigger warning, because it was a trigger. I lost a friend in college, and though I don't know you personally, I don't want to ever lose anyone again. Your post reminded me of seeing his/her trunk of stuff left to my then GF at the time. A dark note, and the trunk filled with all that was left of his/her life. I use his/her because he/her had not explored transition at that time as it was not widely accepted as it is now and there were no insurance options to pay for it. Note that was left was simply "wrong body" kinda of thing. We are lucky. We are accepted more now than ever in our history. Our insurance covers this stuff, for many. I just wish he/she could have been around to be part of this forum and explore his/her true self.

Bottom line. Don't ever go dark like that. We are here for you, plus, society has changed enough, and of course, if you are in transition, you have a doctor to talk to. When things feel dark, talk to people. Best wishes.  :icon_chick:
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Violets

Alyssa, I can relate to your post in many ways. I too learned the hard way is that there's a huge difference between the concept of a partner 'looking elsewhere' and the reality of it occurring. It's a bitter pill to swallow.

Thank you for sharing your story, and I'm glad you're still with us. :)


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HappyMoni

Alyssa,
   I am so glad you are here. You have to know that some wonderful things in your life will not be permanent. They must move to become memories so the next amazing thing can happen. It would be so sad if you never are able to be yourself. Think of what a crime it would be if there is someone special out there for you that your never meet because of the pain from a prior relationship. A new world of possibility is out there for you if you can grab for it. I hope you will. You seem like such a nice person who deserves to be happy.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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JeanetteLW

  Oh Alyssa,

   I am so glad you didn't take that final step. There are many of us that have been there thinking those same thoughts and feeling just a wretched. For me it was after I lost the love of my life through divorce. It came upon me  after our divorce became final. Right up until that point I had unreal hopes that our marriage could still be salvaged. Alas it was not to be. Then I lost my job I had for 18 years. I became homeless living in my car in a friend's backyard. Then my dad died.  I found myself sitting on a hillside, in a forest, my back to a tree, and a shotgun in my mouth. It didn't look good (and tasted awful).  I don't know why but I could not pull the trigger that day. Had I been drinking I don't think I would be here today. But I wasn't drunk and I didn't pull the trigger.  I sad similar days after but never came as close as that day.   I survived, quit the drugs, quit the alcohol, quit smoking, and recently quit lying to myself and start becoming the woman I have always wanted to be. You've done nothing to be ashamed of.
  Life can be tough Alyssa, but killing yourself is not the answer. And it will not be the answer tomorrow or the next day nor the day after that. You have just begun this journey to become the woman you need to be. It is causing you pain with your wife, but that hurt will pass. You can overcome any trail life puts in your way if you can just keep your goal in sight. You can do it too. It is possible.
  We all love you here Alyssa. We want to have you around to keep us all company. We want to share your ups and downs and have your share ours. We are here to support each other. We are glad you are one of us and are still with us.

  Hugs,
    Jeanette
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BrittanyRose

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AlyssaJ

OMG you folks here are amazing, I can't believe how wonderful you are.  I started this thread because I truly felt guilty for even considering taking such a drastic step.  For you all to have such empathy and share thoughts of comfort and hope truly means so much to me.

Quote from: HappyMoni on April 26, 2017, 10:05:01 PM
...You have to know that some wonderful things in your life will not be permanent. They must move to become memories so the next amazing thing can happen. It would be so sad if you never are able to be yourself. Think of what a crime it would be if there is someone special out there for you that your never meet because of the pain from a prior relationship...

Moni, thank you sooooooo much for this. Such a wonderful way to put things in perspective.  I don't know how yet, but I'm going to transfer this to something tangible I can hold when things feel their bleakest.

Oh and Tonya, no I never did give her the letter.  We had a pretty long talk after I got back, talked about a lot of feelings and stuff.  Still didn't really relieve the pain or really explain how she can be ready to be with someone else, but it's a good start.
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

What's it like to transition at mid-life?  http://transitionat40.com/



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Amoré

*HUGS* I am glad you chose to fight. I too know the pain of losing someone you love the most in this world. My ex got involved with someone a month later after I moved out and I can't tell you how much that hurt. Imagining her with someone else just threw my world even further upside down. But I made it,also after contemplating suicide over it and could not carry it through thinking of the better things that is waiting for me in life as Amore.

In the end I just wanted her to be happy because I love her so much that I would sacrifice my own happiness so she can be happy.I did this for years by hiding my true feelings and my gender dysphoria from her. I expected the same from her but she felt that she must look after her own happiness and did not care much for mine. She is doing maybe what she feels she must do to look after herself and to survive. She is maybe more in survival mode than anything else remember this is a big loss for her also. People do silly things while driven by emotion. In the end it does get better for both of you.Both of you deserve to be happy.

Hang in there.


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KathyLauren

Alyssa, I am so glad that you are still here with us.  We on Susan's Place are family, and we are all better for having each other.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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JillianC

Alyssa, I'm so glad you are still here with us.  I've been going through a similarly dark time recently but like everyone has mentioned it will pass.  Stay strong you are already a beautiful woman and have only just started.  Take care.
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Axolotl

This is a horrible story.  First, I want to point out that you are being emotionally abused in this relationship.  If you can't even be yourself in your own home, with this person who supposedly cares about you, then she (your wife) is clearly wronging you.  If I were you, I'd leave.  Completely just leave.  If there's any hope for her to see the value you bring to her life, removing yourself should get the point across.  I understand you may not be living as yourself full time yet, but if I were you I'd refuse to see her at all anymore unless you can be yourself when you see each other.

As far as intimacy with others is concerned, she values it more than you, do you value it more than yourself?  Don't even worry about that part.  I suggest if you don't like open marriage, make it be known, and if she cheats then she is the cheater.

As far as your kids are concerned, what kind of message do you send if they don't know you have a true self?  If you need to leave to make that happen, they will at least learn over time about self identity and that it has much more importance than marriage.

Never let anyone make you think you need to turn a gun on yourself.  Anyone who puts you in that situation is disqualified from your life.  The idea that this person is supportive is false.  A marriage certificate is just a piece of paper.  If I were you, I'd be trying to make it a divorce.  Good luck.
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2.B.Dana

Well toward the end of last week my wife told me that for her birthday she is planning a trip with her friend to one of those south of the border islands known for couples resorts, swingers and nude beaches.  I asked her point blank if she thought that she'd be hooking up with guys while she was there.  She didn't even hesitate to confirm. I was shocked.  I knew this was coming but I expected we'd discuss it more and I had time to prepare myself, now it was right there in front of me.

Nothing has been said in any of the replies thus far about your wife's declaration. I believe she is looking for validation and it has very little to do with sex. From what I have read and also experienced in my own home our wives are going through their own hell in our transition. It challenges their every thought of themselves. I can see how one might think about a wild time of wanting to be desired for their womanhood. Just as you didn't go through with your suicide even though you were at the right point, she may not go through with it even if she goes on the trip. She may also go through with it and regret it in the end realizing she still ultimately values your marriage. It would be sex but it wouldn't be making love as they say.

I am not making light of this at all but just sharing that her response makes sense from her hurt/crushed point of view.

And I would add my vote that I am glad you didn't discharge the weapon!
Cheers,

Dana

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Katy

I hope you will begin today the process of getting rid of all the firearms in your home.  Both you and your wife are in a highly-charged state at the moment.  The last thing you need to have readily available are deadly weapons.  If selling them is too drastic a step, ask a friend or family member to store them for the foreseeable future. 

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Charlie Nicki

Quote from: Axolotl on April 27, 2017, 07:51:01 AM
This is a horrible story.  First, I want to point out that you are being emotionally abused in this relationship.  If you can't even be yourself in your own home, with this person who supposedly cares about you, then she (your wife) is clearly wronging you.

I disagree with this. She's going through her own process and it's kinda selfish to expect your significant other to just accept such a big change. If she's a heterosexual woman she won't be attracted to another woman.

I think it's actually good that they are talking things through and have been able to come to an agreement.
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AlyssaJ

Quote from: Axolotl on April 27, 2017, 07:51:01 AM
This is a horrible story.  First, I want to point out that you are being emotionally abused in this relationship.  If you can't even be yourself in your own home, with this person who supposedly cares about you, then she (your wife) is clearly wronging you.

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on April 27, 2017, 10:39:04 AM
I disagree with this. She's going through her own process and it's kinda selfish to expect your significant other to just accept such a big change. If she's a heterosexual woman she won't be attracted to another woman.

I think it's actually good that they are talking things through and have been able to come to an agreement.

I think the truth is somewhere between.  She is working through her own grief and trauma over this.  I can fully accept and understand that.  I'm basically taking over the entire lower level of our home where I can be myself all the time. However, going upstairs for meals and to spend time with her, I do for now yet have to present as my male self. We are working with our therapists on a plan for her to formally meet Alyssa.  First she will see pictures which I have already sent to her therapist, then there will be a formal introduction at a later time (I discussed this in detail in another thread so I won't repeat).

That said, there are some elements of our arrangement that could be considered abusive and I continue to call her out on those.  I know another trans woman who was relegated to living in a basement bedroom who has had to deal with a very abusive relationship as a result.  So before I agreed to this arrangement, I made it clear that I would not tolerate that.

I won't just leave, I can't just leave. I'm the sole source of income for our family.  I pay the mortgage on this house and every bill we incur.  I love my wife and kids far too much to abandon them that way. If we find we can't live together, we'll work on an arrangement for her to move out.  That's actually already been discussed as a worst case scenario.

Dana, you mentioned her need for validation, and she has talked about that a few times.  She also did say after we talked more that it would just be meaningless sex to her.  That she could never make love to someone the way she did with me ever again.  So that did relieve some of my emotional distress.  Long way to go but like I said we're working through it.

Finally, as far as the firearms, I haven't removed them from the house.  However, the pistol which I normally keep loaded and in it's own easily accessed space (it's my concealed carry piece), now is unloaded and locked in my gun safe with the rest of the firearms.  Not ideal but it keeps them out of my wife's hands and forces me to really think about what I'm doing before I could use any of them.
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

What's it like to transition at mid-life?  http://transitionat40.com/



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tgirlamg

Hi Alyssa!...

Speaking as someone who has had the gun in hand at various points in my own life, I can totally relate to where you found yourself....

I often speak with fellow transwomen that find themself pulling the transition rabbit out of the hat after years of marriage where the spouse had zero clues or preparation... It is a very large rabbit indeed!...

Transition is just that.... A period of great change in your life.... There is literally no aspect of your life that will not be touched in some way.... As we go through changes of this magnitude, it is tempting to hold on to that which we had previously seen as solid points of reference.... Our closest relationships for example as a link to that which is familiar but, even these will feel transitions touch ... I don't know how things will play out for your relationship but I would urge you to recognize that your transition is unlocking your life from it's previous course and a world of possibilities are now yours to experience....

I myself went from a lifetime of relationships with women to being married the the most wonderful man in the world

I believe that transition, at it's core , is an attempt to place ourselves in a place in life where we can truly give and receive love... How can others love us if they have never truly known who we are inside... It is a spiritual quest on many levels

Transition... The journey we must take,  is a long climb up a steep mountain... Those around us sometimes cannot make the journey with us or they try with good intention but, find that their path is elsewhere... We keep climbing and find new people and experiences along the way to fill the voids that others once filled.... Wishing you a good climb and fulfillment as your journey unfolds!!!


Onward we go brave sister!!!


Ashley :)


"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

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