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(heavy stuff) I hate myself

Started by November Fox, May 15, 2017, 02:04:21 PM

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November Fox

I usually like to come across as the "cool" dude. But I´m not managing it. The hatred of my body has grown so much that I think lesser of myself for being in it. And I don´t know what to do or who to tell.

I will see another "gender therapist" soon but these are compulsory for us in Europe, they want to know everything about you, and as soon as they find out your life is not smooth sailing, they put your transition on hold. I don´t want any of that.

Whenever I try to tell my friends, they don´t get it (they´re cis), they think I´m just being dramatic and they tell me that I should be grateful for the progress I have made so far (I started T last year but I owe that to myself rather than any cisgender "gender professional"...).

I don´t even think that talking about it is going to help me, if anything it will make it worse, since talking about it will make me think about it some more. I don´t know what to do. I self-harm and get pretty violent towards the parts that don´t match my gender.

I wish my friends understood but I feel like there´s no way of telling them in any way they´ll get it. Moreover I think if I´m 100% honest with any therapist about the loathing I feel towards my body they think I´m pretty messed up. I´ve been carrying on with this body for almost thirty years now and I´m just done, I´m done with it.

How long can you be stuck in in-between-genders limbo? Some days I feel as though I´ll go insane. I know it isn´t this extreme for everybody. I just wish there were more people who could relate.
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Pao

I can't offer any real help, but I didn't want to view and run.

Have you tried seeing if you can find a transgender person that is a therapist?

I think a lot of us have thought about or acted on violent impulses against our parts we don't identify with. I think those thoughts are pretty much part of being trans. The only thing I can suggest though is trying to find constructive ways of dealing instead of self harm. Exercise, is something that helps me.
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November Fox

Thank you Pao!

Your idea is a good one - however I know of only one therapist who is also trans, but he is what you may call a gatekeeper, one of those persons who can stop my transition. Sadly they have to adhere to a set of pretty strict rules, no informed consent here (yet...)

I try to exercise, and usually it helps, tonight I kind of imploded because I feel kind of homeless at the moment (my house is being renovated, without any prior notice) and things are kind of ->-bleeped-<-.

I appreciate you saying that the violent impulses can be a part of being trans. Sometimes the impulses make me feel like I´m somehow more nutty than most people.
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WolfNightV4X1

How far in are you, did you not get any corrective surgeries?

I'd hope for your sake that time comes sooner than you'd care to believe right now. Those are heavy thoughts and hopefully they can be quelled or contained in some way, all you can do right now is work hard to find the path you want to be at someday and embrace the things about yourself that you love


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Kylo

Quote from: November Fox on May 15, 2017, 02:04:21 PM
How long can you be stuck in in-between-genders limbo? Some days I feel as though I´ll go insane. I know it isn´t this extreme for everybody. I just wish there were more people who could relate.

Even if you tell them everything is fine, like I have been doing because everything IS fine with me, they've still seen fit to force me to see a therapist for several more sessions and I guess another six months before surgery for referral. I'm still trying to figure out why they did this, whether they don't believe me, whether they're fishing for a problem or what. But either way my limbo has been extended further for no apparent reason. So yes, I understand the frustration somewhat. I'm not in a bad place, but if I was... I'd be seeing red about now.

Had to take up some new hobbies in the meantime, things to keep my mind off this BS.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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November Fox

I haven´t had any corrective surgeries yet. That´s the problem. I´m not sure how to deal with this hatred of my body, sometimes I feel as though I might do something extreme to the parts of me that I hate. It seems the further into transition I am (longer on T), the more I hate these parts.

What Kylo is describing is basically what I´m dealing with right now. I´ll be forced to see a gender therapist for another six months even though I´m basically fine, the dysphoria is the thing that makes me get suicidal thoughts. It´s for insurance purposes, apparently, they need to "make sure it´s really gender dypshoria" and make me go through a "real life phase" (live as male). Which is just incredibly stupid, because their so called real life "phase" has been my life ever since I came out three years ago. I hate them too, I guess.

Just don´t know what to do about the hypocrisy.
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Hughie

Sorry to hear you're going through such a rough time and that you need to wait for a few months of counseling. I'm fortunately in that there is informed consent where I live, sort of. The GP has to get to know you over a couple of months before giving any kind of gender affirming treatment. I've had to wait for about a year to start T and I'm not there yet, so I hear you about being in limbo and having parts and characteristics that aren't wanted.

The only thing that's helped me in the meantime is keeping busy. Very busy. Flat out busy. :) Going to the gym, working a lot, doing stuff all the time. It helps keep my mind off obsessively going over stuff I can't change right now. I do have my GP support now, but can't quite start T yet due to waiting for a probation period to end at work.


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November Fox

Thank you for your support Hughie :)

I know I´m not the only one out there stuck in the transition limbo. And probably freaking out is something that happens to a lot of us. I just get scared that the feeling of hate might knock me off the cliff for good. I do want to make it to the other side, but the feeling is overwhelming.

Personally I have tried two separate gender therapists so far, both of them I had a terrible understanding with and ended up leaving. I found a third one now, but every time of course, I have to start from scratch. It´s been almost three years since I first started this process.

I try to forget about all this stuff now and then, but then being in the middle of the procedure makes it kind of hard not to think about it.
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NonServiam

Dude, I feel ya. I hit rock bottom last year - (I mean, hard...neck on railway-line hard) - won't go into that, but I'm better than never before right now, so I was thinking overnight about what you said and have tried to think of stuff that helped me. You probably already tried most of it. Some is mind tricks and some isn't. In no particular order:

Category 1: Distraction
I threw myself into playing guitar and lost myself in that whenever my brain wanted to do stupid stuff.
I got a punch bag - super handy for beating the ->-bleeped-<- out of when, you know...
Organise your life - chuck stuff out or file or do tax returns (all those chores you'll feel a ton better for having done. I think of it as laying the groundwork for something grand!)
Also in this category is accepting that it takes bloody ages for anything to happen on the NHS and there's nothing you can do besides applying for a loan, working your arse ragged to get the money to go private, or...pushing it to the back of your mind, sticking two fingers up to Sod's Law and just enjoy each day as much as you can, working at something you CAN do something about (e.g. a career) because worrying only makes the time go more slowly :)

Category 2: Logic
I tried logic-ing myself out of bad thoughts. They feed on emotion and working through each one with a fine-tooth comb, asking 'why?' seems to kill 'em.

Category 3: Sleight-of-mind and Perspective
[Warning: junk talk] So, I was reading about laydeee parts the other night (as one does), and discovered that, biologically they are the exact counterpart of the male ones. They /are/ the male ones, just a little bigger (boobs) or smaller (e.g. clit) - it might help to see them as your own precious body, that, when (if) you want surgery, will be moulded to how they should always have been. It's all the very same material, and pampering the parts rather than punishing them will make it easier for the surgeons to work on them as scar tissue isn't very elastic.

You could celebrate how far you've already come (yes, off your own damn back!) by maybe keeping a diary or private vlog, but if that's not your thing I have tried that trite-sounding 'find things you're grateful for' every day really helps. (I was told by a homeless guy last week that he feels lucky. I said, 'why?' and he replied: 'I'm not getting the ->-bleeped-<- bombed out of me in Syria. I've still got all my arms 'n' legs and my son hasn't drowned before my eyes yet...') <-Not saying you don't have the right to be sad if you're not in a warzone, but more that there is probably /something/ you can feel good about in your life or body, somewhere.

For me, getting to a happy place involved all of the above, plus changing career, plus those lil' antidepressants for a year (off them now). But most of all, though I wince when I look in a mirror, I decided never to hate myself because it never does any good and I'm all I've got, lol!

Also, we're special creatures, us. Your experience right now is special - no-one has had the privilege of being you and knowing what you know about life - please stay - we need your voice and your words.

Anyway, back in the mundane world, hope the house rens go well - I think I get that, too, lol - ours was torn apart and re-wired, then, a year later, torn apart and re-plumbed and it was so stressful! ...Sorry for the essay; I don't mean to sound like an ass. Just hope there was something in there that might be interesting.
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NonServiam

^Just realised I kinda made a lot of assumptions up there. Come to think of it, you never mentioned the NHS. I can't imagine how hard it is with other systems to get therapy, so sorry if I sounded blasé. x
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The Flying Lemur

Are there any trans support groups where you live, November Fox?  You can tell them anything you like and they don't have the power to slow down your transition.  Even if you have to drive a while to get to a group, it might be worth it. 

Also, when I have to look in a mirror (and I don't really like to), I prefer to see myself as a butt-ugly dude rather than a sort-of-average woman.   There are cis guys out there who have gynecomastia, small penises,  etc.  It's unfortunate, but it doesn't change the fact that they're guys.  I try to think of myself in the same way.  It helps me cope.  Also, wearing male-cut clothing when I look in a mirror helps too.  God help me if I have to see myself naked.     
The privilege of a lifetime is being who you are. --Joseph Campbell
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November Fox

Thank you guys!

I feel more okay when I take meds (I have calming meds). However most of the time I´m against taking meds because you get habituated (is that the word?) to them, and so frequent use means they won´t work so well over time.

NonServiam don´t worry, I appreciate your thoughts and trying to come up with helpful ideas. I´m not with the NHS, I´m Dutch. From what I heard the NHS is a bit similar, in the sense that they make you talk to a psychiatrist for a good while and only then give permission to start transition. That´s the way it works here.

Military thinking (embrace the suck) helps me sometimes, but I seem to be stuck in a depression and antidepressants do not help my case - I get urinary retention from them. I do write a lot on a blog and I try to catch sunlight, stuff like that. I figured maybe I should take up video games again (still have to play Fallout 4).

I have been told to perhaps log what I like about myself, versus what I hate, so I can get a more balanced feeling... also I reject my own body in an incredibly harsh way without acknowledging that it is MY body, this is due to some trauma from the past, have a hard time loving what´s been hated before.

The Flying Lemur (love the name), yes there are, although we don´t talk about difficult stuff. There is not really a talking group, but I heard there is a talking group in Amsterdam, perhaps I should give that a try some time.
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WolfNightV4X1

Just wanted to say great infor NonServaim!


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NonServiam

Thanks, WolfNightV4X1! :) Where's your name from?

OP, I hope things are going ok (or at least going!) with you? Sorry, this is my first time back on Susan's since May - just wanted to say, though, FALLOUT is probably the best distraction technique, like...EVAR. (Who needs to eat, anyway?)  ;D

Het beste (is that right?)
NS X
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