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When fully transitioned will you see yourself as trans

Started by stephaniec, May 15, 2017, 04:05:39 PM

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When transitioned will you see yourself as trans

yes
23 (46.9%)
no
19 (38.8%)
other
7 (14.3%)

Total Members Voted: 48

pretty pauline

Quote from: rmaddy on May 17, 2017, 07:05:10 PM
Please help me understand what you mean by this.  The fact that you are posting on a transgender board seems to indicate at least some ongoing thought about being trans.
The best way to explain it, these days I live in stealth, I live my life as normal as I can just like any other woman, yet I do have a trans history, that's something none of us can change, I consider myself lucky I can do that, I've no involement these days in LGBT groups, I've moved on with my life, the only connection I have these days now is my occassional visits to this board, it gives me some anonymity and yet acknowledging my past without wearing it on my sleeve. Susan's Place is a place were sometimes I can read situations about women in similar situations as my own. My husband knows about my past but we never discussion it, one time I had left my browser open and hubby saw susan's place website, but he thought it was just some girl group and didn't even ask. No man wants to look at a woman's group, typical man, just left it at that.
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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RockiesRhea

Personally I answered "other"

My reasoning for this is this...
Im extremely close to going for grs. Im actually told I should expect a call today with my surgery date options!!! YAY ME!
But without even having had grs yet I already plain and simply to me am woman.
I also truly believe in never regreting my actions, states of being etc. Our experiences are what make us who we are.

So I will always recognize that I had to transition to get to the mental state im at. But I AM WOMAN!
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SapphireLotus

This is a tricky topic for me and often one that causes a rift between me and some others. I approach things through a more ontological relativistic and postmodern sense and as such I take it upon myself to define the world from the ground up, redefining terms and labels as I see fit if i do not agree with how the greater social narrative has defined them as.

One might call this philosophical posturing but I see myself as a woman and having always been female. To be the terms are relative and I have defined them in such a way that I have always been a woman and female in my mind. This isn't to say that I'm unaware of my anatomical dissonance, I'm more than aware, but more so that the terms themselves and their accepted criterion in the greater view is something I hold in contention.


For instance, if you were to ask someone 'what is it mean to be female?' you might get a variety of answers. One the most common might be genital configuration but you might also hear something about chromosomes or hormones or secondary sex characteristics or how you were raised or etc. I choose to define it as mental sex or in a spiritual sense the characteristics of my ethereal self. As such my mental sex has always been female so under this definition I have created for myself I have always been female.

I understand quite clearly how the world sees me and might label me as well as the social and legal challenges associated with the label of 'trans' that is assigned to me.

Where I come into conflict with others is that some people believe that I am betraying the trans-community or running from it, but that's not true. Yes, I may not identify as a member of it in a sense but there are obviously physical issue similarities as well as experiences that we overlap with. Some believe that I'm casting aside the label to run in fear to a haven of a more socially accepted gender but this is untrue as well. I truly just don't feel trans, I'm not sure what it means to feel trans. I never have though and some of my trans friends said they never thought of me as part o the trans community really anyways.

I suppose like how Voltarine de Cleyre called herself an 'Anarchist without adjectives' in contrast to anarco-communist, anarcho-syndicalists, etc I see myself as a 'woman without adjectives' in a way. I don't feel a need to attach a trans label to it. It doesn't feel right. If it's brought up I don't lie about my anatomy or my experiences.

Perhaps part of this is because I didn't go through many of the same experiences in transitioning that others may have gone through. I dodged discrimination in almost its entirety as I 'passed' before hormones and was full-time shortly before starting them. I didn't have issues with many things, a blessing that I don't take or granted but maybe this creates a divide between me and the 'trans' label as that label, in my mind, is not only attributable to a set of physical aspects but experiential ones as well.

Part of it too could be that I have been on hormones for almost 10 years, I started when I was around 18 years old. Although I haven't had surgery yet I am very distanced from that initial period of beginning transitioning so perhaps things have changed over time.

Pardon my rambling and I'll try to close out my thoughts. I won't think of myself as trans after surgery because I don't think of myself as trans now. I understand that some people might put me in that category and accept that as the case, however that's not where I put myself. In my mind I was born a woman and I've always been a woman. I may have been born with an anatomical configuration issue at birth but that in itself doesn't make me feel as if I need to attach an adjective to 'woman'. I'll still work to better trans rights and the community because those things do apply to me even if I consider myself as an ally and not a member.

I apologize if this ruffles any feathers. I've been attacked many times over my thoughts on the matter. It's usually why I've grown to avoid trans-oriented spaces, however I hope that this experience turns to be more positive.
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warlockmaker

Hi Sapphire, one of the beautiful things about being tg is that we are free to choose how we see ourselves. Some like you see themselves as female and other as the third gender or other options. The most important is that you are at peace and content. You seem to have found your choice and no one has the right to challenge this.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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SapphireLotus

Thank you warlockmaker, I appreciate that. I meant a lot to me to read that.
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Wednesday

Quote from: SapphireLotus on May 22, 2017, 11:58:20 PM
This is a tricky topic for me and often one that causes a rift between me and some others. I approach things through a more ontological relativistic and postmodern sense and as such I take it upon myself to define the world from the ground up, redefining terms and labels as I see fit if i do not agree with how the greater social narrative has defined them as.

Jeez...

*puts an evil smile*

I just read "ontological relativistic and postmodern" in the same line and got excited :D Such a worthy opponent!  :D Democritus big fan here.

Feel free to ramble whenever you want!
"Witches were a bit like cats" - Terry Pratchett
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SapphireLotus

@Wednesday

I studied philosophy in college and my emphasis was in German Idealism and French Existentialism primarily. So it's not uncommon for me to talk about epistemological relativism or duck-rabbit (haha). I often spend my time sitting at home grappling with some of these questions about the human condition, the construction of meaning, the nature of self and it's relation to the external (a jumping off of the Hegelian Dialectic), truth and the absolute, etc so these topics tend to be on my mind a lot and seep into my conversations :P
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Wednesday

Quote from: SapphireLotus on May 23, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
@Wednesday

I studied philosophy in college and my emphasis was in German Idealism and French Existentialism primarily. So it's not uncommon for me to talk about epistemological relativism or duck-rabbit (haha). I often spend my time sitting at home grappling with some of these questions about the human condition, the construction of meaning, the nature of self and it's relation to the external (a jumping off of the Hegelian Dialectic), truth and the absolute, etc so these topics tend to be on my mind a lot and seep into my conversations :P

Gotcha! When in the right mood I can find myself thinking about stuff like metalogic, logic's incompleteness and its boundaries, the (very much to my disgust) disturbing time assymetry... my head can turn to be a really weird place sometimes lol.

I got much respect for Kant, hella insightful guy, and had to take my hat off to his ontological argument criticism (really spot-on). However idealism its not my thing, much less existentialism lol.
"Witches were a bit like cats" - Terry Pratchett
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SapphireLotus

@Wednesday

What did one Existentialist say to the other?
Who knows?

What did one Nihilist say to the other?
Who cares?
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Wednesday

Quote from: SapphireLotus on May 23, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
@Wednesday

What did one Existentialist say to the other?
Who knows?

What did one Nihilist say to the other?
Who cares?

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Pretty glad to have you around here!
"Witches were a bit like cats" - Terry Pratchett
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MeTony

I was born boy. In my teens my body transformed to a girl's body. When I'm through transision I am a guy. Not trans. I am trans now when I'm in the wrong body.
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: rmaddy on May 17, 2017, 07:05:10 PMPlease help me understand what you mean by this.  The fact that you are posting on a transgender board seems to indicate at least some ongoing thought about being trans.

Some of us return to these places to help others.

Like, suppose I was born with a cleft palate.  I grow up and get it fixed.  A few years later, I post to an internet forum about my experiences, wanting to help others who are about to get their own palates fixed, but that doesn't mean I'm still cleft-palated. 

For many of us, "being trans" isn't necessarily a permanent condition.  A lot of transitioners may never have considered this. 
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Tessa James

How do we describe ourselves and what does fully transitioned mean to us.....hmmmm?

Would we really have only one descriptor per life?  That sounds restrictive and simplistic to me.  I imagine my life will continue to add features, experience and knowledge in a dynamic interplay with cultures and time.  Therefore being transgender is but one of many many adjectives that could apply to my life and not a primary or exclusive label.  We will continue to face transitions in life that may or may not have anything to do with gender.

Your life story or narrative is best told by you, the one who is hopefully still growing, learning and evolving as a person.  I trust people who truly want to know us will allow enough time for more than one word descriptions.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Dena

Quote from: rmaddy on May 17, 2017, 07:05:10 PM
Please help me understand what you mean by this.  The fact that you are posting on a transgender board seems to indicate at least some ongoing thought about being trans.
I was searching the web two years ago looking for information on voice surgery. As my GCS was in 1982, I have fully accepted myself many years ago and have lived free of the community almost all of the time post surgical. After placing my post for voice information, I looked at the other activity and saw people with questions that I could answer so I started posting. Up to that point in time I had been getting over the loss of my roommate and to kill my idle time, I was watching the boob tube. The site was so much better that I shut the boob tube off and concentrated on helping others solve the problems that I had needed help with so many years ago.

Most of the members on the site haven't had surgery but there are a fair number of us who have making life better for those still in the process of transitioning. Yes, I have learned about modern HRT and applied it to my treatment as the result of the site. I have looked at FFS which I may never get but my transition is long over and I don't have personal issues that require the site. I considered myself complete 35 years ago and anything I do now would be like a CIS woman getting a face lift. Just a touch up to what I already am.
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MsMarlo

I am a woman through and through.  What really reinforces that is when others address you as such.  Sure, it might be weird at first but after a while you don't even think about it.

I have never been one to be totally on board with labels, especially when it comes to being trans.  In my case I guess it is kind of like being a Hispanic female except that I am a female who happens to be Hispanic.  So to add to that, I am a female who happens to be transgender.  What I'm getting that is I'm a person; the labels other than your gender are just that; labels.

Be safe and peace,
Marionna




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