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Started by MelissaAnn, May 27, 2017, 11:21:27 PM

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LiliFee

Perhaps touching upon the subject of privilege wasn't a clever idea, so let's not push the period symptom topic (which is really interesting in its own right) off course. In any case, there was no intention of hurting anybody there.

I'll open another topic for about privilege sometime in the future, so we can have a nice debate about that :P
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link5019

Quote from: josie76 on May 30, 2017, 07:08:27 AM
Ok well as far as cramps, that can be from constipation in the bowls which can be caused by the drop off of hormones.

Blood would require a girl to have been intersexed and have partial uterine tissues. It's extremely rare but looking through alot of medical information it has been seen before. The one condition I remember reading was due to unformed tissues the uterine partial organ was connected to the anal area of the large intestine. Who knows strange things happen.

Give link5019 some leeway. She has been a member of this forum for a while. Don't just jump on people and start calling them trolls!  >:( That's way not nice to do.

Link5019, unless you're Intersex and your doctor has explored this, I really think you should visit your doctor to discuss any bleeding. If you are not Intersex and you have blood associated with cycling hormones you need to get it checked out right away.
Quote from: Charlie Nicki on May 30, 2017, 10:35:38 AM
Put down your torches girls :), let her explain.

*sighs* I'm not one to troll, I'm not one to lie. I don't cycle my hormones either. I'm only telling people what I've experienced, and Josie76, pretty much hit it spot on. I have a partially formed uterus, which is connected to the large intestine as you described, which was something my doctor and I explored. Granted it still sucks I have to have surgery to actually have a vagina...Please don't accuse me, those that did, in the future for being a troll. I just responded with my honest answer to this post. Also if anyone has any other questions for me, please PM me.






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natalie.ashlyne

Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 11:32:39 AM
*sighs* I'm not one to troll, I'm not one to lie. I don't cycle my hormones either. I'm only telling people what I've experienced, and Josie76, pretty much hit it spot on. I have a partially formed uterus, which is connected to the large intestine as you described, which was something my doctor and I explored. Granted it still sucks I have to have surgery to actually have a vagina...Please don't accuse me, those that did, in the future for being a troll. I just responded with my honest answer to this post. Also if anyone has any other questions for me, please PM me.

I totally understand  what you are saying because  I also have one oviory  and a uterus  it does happen it is called intersex and it totally throws you off
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link5019

Quote from: natalie.ashlyne on June 02, 2017, 12:51:42 PM
I totally understand  what you are saying because  I also have one oviory  and a uterus  it does happen it is called intersex and it totally throws you off

Throws you off, check, all the lovely period symptoms, check...lol guess me commenting about periods in a trans board section is not the way to go.  XD






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Aurorasky

Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 11:32:39 AM
*sighs* I'm not one to troll, I'm not one to lie. I don't cycle my hormones either. I'm only telling people what I've experienced, and Josie76, pretty much hit it spot on. I have a partially formed uterus, which is connected to the large intestine as you described, which was something my doctor and I explored. Granted it still sucks I have to have surgery to actually have a vagina...Please don't accuse me, those that did, in the future for being a troll. I just responded with my honest answer to this post. Also if anyone has any other questions for me, please PM me.

Seriously? Like, seriously? Do you know how this all works? Bleeding from the uterus is only possible if you have it fully developed AND with functional ovaries. The uterus bleeds due to a drop in Estrogen that leads the endometrium layer to shed, and this happens because the egg that was released from the ovaries wasn't fertilized on time. There's a very rare syndrome, like one in a million, where a genetic male can have two full reproductive systems but you didn't imply this, you said you have a partially formed uterus which bleeds, monthly I suppose? Anyway, you also said you didn't cycle hormones. You further prove my point, to have bleeding you would need a natural cycle like natural born women have and not standard HRT. Therefore, you got some explaining to do.
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link5019

Quote from: Aurorasky on June 02, 2017, 04:38:25 PM
Seriously? Like, seriously? Do you know how this all works? Bleeding from the uterus is only possible if you have it fully developed AND with functional ovaries. The uterus bleeds due to a drop in Estrogen that leads the endometrium layer to shed, and this happens because the egg that was released from the ovaries wasn't fertilized on time. There's a very rare syndrome, like one in a million, where a genetic male can have two full reproductive systems but you didn't imply this, you said you have a partially formed uterus which bleeds, monthly I suppose? Anyway, you also said you didn't cycle hormones. You further prove my point, to have bleeding you would need a natural cycle like natural born women have and not standard HRT. Therefore, you got some explaining to do.

For the love of...OMG I'm glad you're so amazingly sure of yourself that you know everything. A fully developed uterus is not necessary for period blood, nor is having ovaries. The Uterus is mainly controlled by the hormone progesterone, not estrogen, though it does play a small part. not just that, a period happens regardless of whether or not an egg was present in the system. I freaking personally know intersex people who have the same thing with no functional ovaries. You don't know my HRT regiment. What do you want me to say, I bleed, every month, during period week with cramps, and other symptoms. I do know how this works, and I've even discussed this with my doctor who, by the way, can back me up on this, so I am so sorry that you can't just accept what it is I'm experiencing and instead want to attack me like I don't know what I'm talking about when I've discussed this with my doctor, asked intersex women as well...I've done my homework and I'm sorry that I'm experiencing what is  "impossible" to you.






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Charlie Nicki

Quote from: Aurorasky on June 02, 2017, 04:38:25 PM
Seriously? Like, seriously? Do you know how this all works? Bleeding from the uterus is only possible if you have it fully developed AND with functional ovaries. The uterus bleeds due to a drop in Estrogen that leads the endometrium layer to shed, and this happens because the egg that was released from the ovaries wasn't fertilized on time. There's a very rare syndrome, like one in a million, where a genetic male can have two full reproductive systems but you didn't imply this, you said you have a partially formed uterus which bleeds, monthly I suppose? Anyway, you also said you didn't cycle hormones. You further prove my point, to have bleeding you would need a natural cycle like natural born women have and not standard HRT. Therefore, you got some explaining to do.

Darling she doesn't need to explain anything. Leave her alone, I find id upsetting that people here can be so judgmental of others' experiences, on a transgender related forum of all places. Isn't that what cis people do to us all the time? Let. It. Go. If that's what she says she's experiencing then that's that. It seems she's intersexed, and everyone else is clear on the fact that they can't get periods so her statement isn't "confusing" non intersexed people if that's what you're trying to avoid.
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Aurorasky

Quote from: link5019 on June 02, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
For the love of...OMG I'm glad you're so amazingly sure of yourself that you know everything. A fully developed uterus is not necessary for period blood, nor is having ovaries. The Uterus is mainly controlled by the hormone progesterone, not estrogen, though it does play a small part. not just that, a period happens regardless of whether or not an egg was present in the system. I freaking personally know intersex people who have the same thing with no functional ovaries. You don't know my HRT regiment. What do you want me to say, I bleed, every month, during period week with cramps, and other symptoms. I do know how this works, and I've even discussed this with my doctor who, by the way, can back me up on this, so I am so sorry that you can't just accept what it is I'm experiencing and instead want to attack me like I don't know what I'm talking about when I've discussed this with my doctor, asked intersex women as well...I've done my homework and I'm sorry that I'm experiencing what is  "impossible" to you.

Yes, by the hormone Progesterone. Where is that produced again? Oh, yeah, mainly the ovaries. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Charlie Nicki, sure people can share all the experiences all they like but it's quite different when someone claims membership of a even more devalued, stigmatized group only to.show they actually don't know what they are talking about. There's every right to point it out to anybody who does this.
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link5019

Quote from: Aurorasky on June 02, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Yes, by the hormone Progesterone. Where is that produced again? Oh, yeah, mainly the ovaries. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Charlie Nicki, sure people can share all the experiences all they like but it's quite different when someone claims membership of a even more devalued, stigmatized group only to.show they actually don't know what they are talking about. There's every right to point it out to anybody who does this.

Aurorasky...I don't know what your issue is but I would kindly like to ask you to leave me kindly alone. If you cannot accept that what I'm experiencing is an actual thing, that was confirmed by an actual DOCTOR...then I'm afraid I can not, in good faith, trust your opinion. Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about after talking with a doctor, and intersex people, clearly me researching means nothing, please discredit my doctor, my freaking doctor who actually had this investigated so that we could confirm it was caused by the uterus...what the heck do you want, it in writing, paper work? but why would I give you that, when it's likely you would just dismiss them because you can't simply let me be. Your devaluing my experiences,  you're denouncing my experiences as false, much like how you just said intersex people are devalued and stigmatized....






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Wednesday

That is. Well said. Leave her and her bleeding uterus alone, you kiddo.
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link5019

Quote from: Wednesday on June 02, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
That is. Well said. Leave her and her bleeding uterus alone, you kiddo.
Thank you...*hugs*






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This thread sucks worse than a hoover ::)

Quote from: Wednesday on June 02, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
Leave her and her bleeding uterus alone, you kiddo.

I lol'd~

Hey zelda5019 err, I'm sorry, ...hey link5019, if you legitimately have a uterus that bleeds, I'm sorry for my ignorance.  I still think it sounds ludicrous, but whatever's clever... I don't care one way or the other tbh!

I just... I dunno, I think the punchline/meme of people who sexually identify as attack helicopters will eventually find us people who swear they secrete oil when they sweat.


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Georgette

Link5019

A lot of this could have been avoided if when you told of your symptoms, you had explained you were intersex with a partial uterus.

I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.

Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.
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link5019

Quote from: Ⓥ on June 02, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
This thread sucks worse than a hoover ::)

I lol'd~

Hey zelda5019 err, I'm sorry, ...hey link5019, if you legitimately have a uterus that bleeds, I'm sorry for my ignorance.  I still think it sounds ludicrous, but whatever's clever... I don't care one way or the other tbh!

I just... I dunno, I think the punchline/meme of people who sexually identify as attack helicopters will eventually find us people who swear they secrete oil when they sweat.
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Quote from: Georgette on June 02, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
Link5019

A lot of this could have been avoided if when you told of your symptoms, you had explained you were intersex with a partial uterus.

I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.

Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.

That's true...I didn't really think about that to be honest at the time.






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bubbles21

Quote from: Georgette on June 02, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
Link5019

A lot of this could have been avoided if when you told of your symptoms, you had explained you were intersex with a partial uterus.

I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.

Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.

I agree and also think the interrogation style questioning wasn't warranted either.
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link5019

Quote from: bubbles21 on June 02, 2017, 08:00:23 PM
I agree and also think the interrogation style questioning wasn't warranted either.

Yeah....I'll be better at initial explaining in the future.






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josie76

Link you should not have to prove your experience. Those who went off so to speak could have to asked what sort of condition you had instead of essentially attacking your character.

I have researched it seems everything available by web about intersex conditions. Documentation of conditions involving partially formed mixed organs is available to read. Even illustrations are viewable on the web. Some of these traits were seemingly more common in the days of direct usage of DES for miscarriage prevention, however other progestins in high dosages could cause similar issues by blocking the androgen activity during the time of organ differentiation. The range of physical symptoms have been recorded as small as infused penile raphe with normal urethral exit, mid penile urethral exit, micro penis with bodily urethral exit, partial vaginal cavity with or without uterine tissues, uterine tissue and even urethral exit through the anus. Oh yes and partial ovarian tissues or ovatestes.

Has your doctor done a karyotype blood test or more in depth genome test to see if you have a genetic component? Karyotype can show if you do or don't have a trisomy23 condition. Often called 47xxy or other combination. Of the genes that can lead to mild and partial androgen insensitivity, some can cause health issues later in life. One gene can cause a build up of proteins in the cell that the mutated gene does not allow for the breakdown of. This can cause issues around 50 years of age as the proteins fill up the cell interior making it harder for other cell processes to take place.

I just got a karyotype test back. Normal 46xy. For me I suspect DES as it was still used in prescription prenatal vitamins by some pharma companies in the mid 1970s. I have a split penile raphe, an unfused perineal raphe, and for lack of a better description a female skeleton at birth. Oh but testosterone has done its damage.

So for others, bones form their shape early in pregnancy. Afterwards bones can increase size but the only shape change is at the growth plates. Things such as the formed pivot of elbows and knees, shape of the sacrum and the Sacrial joints to the ilium are formed before birth. Female hormones during puberty will affect the growth plates of the pelvic bones causing a wider position to the ischium and added length of the pubic bones at the symphysis but does not change the Sacrial ilium joints or the shape of the sacrum itself.
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LiliFee

Quote from: Georgette on June 02, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
I questioned the bleeding, but when you explained your physical condition, I guess anything is possible.

Most in these TG/TS sections are not intersex, or have different equipment.

Hear hear. Having a partially formed uterus due to an intersex condition is a totally different story than most transwomen who, being 46xy, don't have one. The point is you don't have to explain or defend yourself, but in discussions like these not telling rather crucial facts about your experience can throw off people and turn the discussion into a... well... we all saw what happened.

The most important thing is that you're happy with yourself, and that the HRT works and gives you what you need to grow as a person. Period symptoms or not, it's about finding yourself and growing into a happy adult. Bottoms up! :D
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SailorMars1994

Link I am really sorry you had to deal with all this. Many people just like to spout of their opinions without thinking outside the box of the ''normal''.  I am glad it didnt phase ya :)
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Aurorasky

Actually, the condition she claims to have is impossible and has never been docummented. A uterus that bleeds with no ovaries but still needs SRS is not possible. Besides, anyone with a partially formed uterus is very unlikely to be raised as male. I can't believe there's actually people here defending these kind of claims. Intersex people already have enough of their own, while it may be a similar battle somehow, it's still different and desserves its own place. The fact that there's people who think appropriating these conditions will make themselves "more valid" is an insult not only to trans but also to intersex people. Most IS people don't identify as trans anyway and are unlikely to be found in a forum like this.
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