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hrt benefits for transfemenine people

Started by Undead Cat, July 22, 2017, 12:32:59 AM

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kelly_aus

Quote from: Undead Cat on July 22, 2017, 06:29:18 PM
Well cis women have a high breast cancer mortality + the cons of having feminine organs

But, I wonder if low estrogen is better or I would be suffering from osteoporosis and fats aging ?

92 per 100,000 is not considered a high mortality rate. And no primary sex hormone, whether it's estrogen or testosterone will lead to osteoporosis, never mind the negative mental effects such a situation can cause.

Also, there are cons to male organs, where would you like me to start? Well, there's prostate cancer - which has a very low survival rate. There's a range of testicular issues.. Cancer of the penis. Phimosis.
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JMJW

Quote from: Undead Cat on July 22, 2017, 05:25:06 PM
Estrogen scare me , I think anti androgens and progestins alone are safer ? Aren't them ?

Hell no anti androgens alone isn't safer. Without estrogen or testosterone your bones will grow weak and your entire body will age quick.

Anti androgens are more dangerous than naturally occurring hormones at therapeutic doses.
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Undead Cat

Quote from: kelly_aus on July 22, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
92 per 100,000 is not considered a high mortality rate. And no primary sex hormone, whether it's estrogen or testosterone will lead to osteoporosis, never mind the negative mental effects such a situation can cause.

Also, there are cons to male organs, where would you like me to start? Well, there's prostate cancer - which has a very low survival rate. There's a range of testicular issues.. Cancer of the penis. Phimosis.

Well, stuff like phimosis people are born with , but I see your point there's penile, prostate,  testes cancers... but still I can't think of other deadly stuff or painful that are related to hormones , testicular torsion,  phimosis,  etc doesn't have to do with hormones.

Anyway , is there evidence that mtfs are less likely to have these problems ? Like is there stuff you guys don't have to worry about that cis guys does ?
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Undead Cat

Quote from: JMJW on July 22, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
Hell no anti androgens alone isn't safer. Without estrogen or testosterone your bones will grow weak and your entire body will age quick.

Anti androgens are more dangerous than naturally occurring hormones at therapeutic doses.

Weren't cis men prescribed AAs for baldness trendy a while ago ? I thought it was safe.
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JMJW

Quote from: Undead Cat on July 22, 2017, 07:33:49 PM
Weren't cis men prescribed AAs for baldness trendy a while ago ? I thought it was safe.


I don't think they took it long term.
It is relatively safe compared to many other drugs, but a synthetic test blocker is not more safe than naturally occuring hormones.  If your fears are centered on the estrogen and not on the blocker than your fear is misplaced.
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Undead Cat

Oh My God,  I had no idea they didn't take it longterm and how dangerous it was .
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xFreya

Afaik trans women have a lot less risk of getting breast cancer compared to cis women. I think that's because we don't get periods. I've read in several places(unrelated to trans people) huge fluctuations of estrogen every month is what increases the risk of breast cancer. I don't remember if that's proven or just a hypothesis, maybe research it if you want.

On the other hand your risk of getting prostate cancer gets very low.

As long as you are doing it safely the risks are quite low.
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Undead Cat

Thx people for adding up information . 😊
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KathyLauren

Quote from: xFreya on July 23, 2017, 04:04:19 AM
Afaik trans women have a lot less risk of getting breast cancer compared to cis women. I think that's because we don't get periods. I've read in several places(unrelated to trans people) huge fluctuations of estrogen every month is what increases the risk of breast cancer. I don't remember if that's proven or just a hypothesis, maybe research it if you want.
I wonder also if the age of the breast tissue makes a difference.  A 60-year-old cis woman has breasts that are 45-50 years old.  A trans woman of the same age has breasts that might only be a few years old. 
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SadieBlake

Quote from: KathyLauren on July 23, 2017, 06:31:48 AM
I wonder also if the age of the breast tissue makes a difference.  A 60-year-old cis woman has breasts that are 45-50 years old.  A trans woman of the same age has breasts that might only be a few years old.

That's exactly what my endocrinologist told me,  breast cancer risk is effectively cumulative.

OP, the risks of testosterone vs estrogen are approximately similar. The emotional benefits to me of being on the correct hormonal balance far outweigh all the downsides I know of as well as the larger risks of surgery, which I'm extremely happy to have gone through.

I think the elephant in your room is that the suicide risk to trans people on the wrong hormones for their brains is far higher than the medical risks.

Personally I don't feel the need for a BA, I'm simply ecstatic that hrt has made my breasts more sensitive and having always appreciated smaller breasts in the feminine form I am quite happy with what I've gotten from 18 months on HRT.
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xFreya

Quote from: KathyLauren on July 23, 2017, 06:31:48 AM
I wonder also if the age of the breast tissue makes a difference.  A 60-year-old cis woman has breasts that are 45-50 years old.  A trans woman of the same age has breasts that might only be a few years old.

Yes that may be a factor too. I think research should be made comparing trans women who transitioned early and cis women, and maybe cis women who can't get periods for whatever reason, considering progesterone use too.
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Sarah_P

Not to make anyone worry, but, while it's fairly rare, men can get breast cancer, too.
--Sarah P

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If you only let go what's inside
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Undead Cat

Yeah,  bit were not talking about men,  we're talking about  transitioning amab's
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Undead Cat on July 27, 2017, 08:40:25 PM
Yeah,  bit were not talking about men,  we're talking about  transitioning amab's

Makes no difference, the risk remains the same - fairly minimal..
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Undead Cat

Pick someone who started hrt at teenage, compared to a cis biological girl , what's the difference at all ? I can only think on the genitals,  the other stuff remain the same,  I think even the risk is the same.
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rmaddy

Quote from: Autrement on July 22, 2017, 02:59:34 AM
HRT with AA+estrogen has first a diagnosis benefit: it you can stand it after a month or so, or even feel better, it confirms your medical condition of gender dysphoria.

I don't know that any medical professional would endorse the idea that if someone feels better after starting HRT, this means they have gender dysphoria.  WPATH makes it clear that gender dysphoria is a precondition for treatment.

People here assign way too much significance to short term changes in mood.  Mood may improve or decline for all kinds of reasons over a month or so.  If someone started HRT as a bout of depression was gearing up and the person finds themselves struggling a couple months down the line, does this mean their gender dysphoria was imagined?
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Autrement

Rmaddy, I think this is a very interesting debate. Things should not be oversimplified in black or white. Here are a few additional comments from my experience.

1. Yes I got an official GD dysphoria diagnosis made by a well known gender therapist, Anne Vitale (author of a great book, the Gendered Self), she wrote that her diagnosis is based on my reaction on (I quote her) "anti- androgens and cross-sex hormones. It is well known that Gender Dysphoric males taking anti-androgens and cross- sex hormones experience relieve from distress and anxiety confirming the diagnoses. This differs markedly from cisgender males placed on a similar regimen to counter-act an enlarged prostate, find the experience unwelcome and react with newly acquired agitation and restless anxiety."

2. Yes you can still be depressed with HRT, but if you can stand to have your testosterone levels divided by 30 and feel better about it, it confirms the diagnosis.

3. It makes sense to start with a psychological diagnosis before starting HRT, but confirmation by HRT can then happen.
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