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Having a hard time pushing "her" back in the closet

Started by NancyBalik, July 05, 2017, 05:50:26 PM

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NancyBalik

Last week my wife was gone for five days.  Although I was not constantly "Nancy," I was much of the time.  We have a DADT relationship, have been together a long time, etc. etc. (some of the details are in my intro).  Sometimes when I am able to be me for awhile it really helps and it is like I get that need satisfied for awhile and I can just get by with underdressing and thinking feminine thoughts and basking in what it felt like to wear skirts and blouses for a few days.  This time I am having trouble letting go of it.  I am so preoccupied, so missing my breast forms, so missing the feeling of lipstick, so missing the pj's I slept in while she was gone. 

I know that I have made a choice.  I've chosen to stay in this marriage for multiple reasons and that choice includes suppressing my true gender and particularly my gender expression through clothing and appearance.  I know that I am responsible for that choice and I'm not asking for anyone to fix that for me (I know you can't--I could leave, or I could try again to talk with her--I know it's up to me.)  I'm really just wanting to express how I feel--just to say that it is hard.

Not that I would have given up those days and evenings and not dressed as Nancy.  I didn't do anything special.  I just sat on my deck and listened to music in a pretty blouse, a skirt and heels, or watched TV in a party dress wearing costume jewelry.  And I ate breakfast every morning in my lace bodice pj's and chemise robe with my bra and forms.  I just miss that now so much.  I'm sure it will fade...I felt more alive than I had for some time.  I'm just having a hard time pushing her back in the closet.  Nancy
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lilpinkdragon

It is natural to have these feelings, it it media and the society's stigma that places this as bad or not normal, even faith groups are biased against it. All it is human nature and our curiosity for being empathetic towards all.

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Michelle_P

I'm sorry, Nancy, but this is pretty common. 

I give you my experience as a warning tale, a story of what happens if two partners cannot communicate and agree on a shared path to accommodate both partners.

I initially just went to therapy as Michelle, changing under strict protocols laid down by my spouse.   I was challenged in an early session to do something more as Michelle, so I hit a Starbucks after the session.  The world failed to end.

Over the next several weeks, I ran errands, did grocery shopping, even went out to breakfast after an early session as Michelle.  The world still kept on spinning.  I was almost never misgendered.

My spouse went out of town for several days.  Michelle never had to change back to him for this period.

The relief from the gender dysphoria when I was Michelle was significant.  When HRT was added, I thought I was euphoric from the meds.  No, my therapist just pointed out that all that had happened was that, likely for the first time in many years, my depression and anxiety scores were in the 'normal well-adjusted person' range.  It wasn't euphoria,but how I was SUPPOSED to feel.

The downside was that when I was forced to set this aside, to give up being myself and live under house rules as him again, the dysphoria intensified.  The depression and anxiety would come crashing in.  I'd come home and have to change back to him, and would find myself curled up on the office sofa crying.

My spouse, out of fear that friends or neighbors would see, tightened the rules further, and last October told me I would have to leave.  (That tale is unfinished, and documented in that long thread.). I left, and immediately went full-time.

This can be really, really hard to deal with.  I would strongly encourage the both of you to communicate better, and try, really try joint therapy sessions.  Nancy wants out, very badly, and suppressing your inner self is only going to get harder over time.  The two of you will need to come to a better accommodation.
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KathyLauren

Hi, Nancy.  I am sorry to hear that it is so hard for you.  I wish you the strength and wisdom to either stay on the road you are on or to find a new road.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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MissKairi

Change the terms for simple clarity.
For years you stayed away from pizza and chips except on certain locations. You didn't want people to think you are fat.
Then one time you have a month away from people and all you do is eat pizza and chips.
You've never been so content or happy.
But after week alone you spot a few extra pounds.
You panic. People will only see me as fat.

You are focusing on what people think of you rather than how you feel.

Just my opinion :)
Let's see where this journey takes me.
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Amoré

I think what you are feeling is pretty natural it is a feeling of loss. You had the freedom to be you for a couple of days and now you have to suppress it again. It is like going out on a vacation and getting back home to reality and you feel a bit sad and depressed because vacation was so damn good. I think you will take time to adjust again. But be strong you can do it.


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NancyBalik

Thank you all so much for these understanding responses.  You are telling me truths that I have a hard time facing.  I am afraid to be hurt by another "talk" with her, and she has refused counseling in the past.  I am so used to putting the needs of others first in my life...and I can't stand to see her (my wife hurt) or angry with me.  I read your responses to me 3 times and there were tears in my eyes before I'd finished the 2nd reading--that only verifies how much truth there is in what you are telling me.  Fear (and maybe shame too?) has kept Nancy in the closet.  I've got a lot of thinking to do.  Thanks for your kindness, Nancy
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LizK

Hi Nancy

It is so difficult to think in terms of yourself when you are so tied up in the guilt of what you perceive as "doing something wrong" or "upsetting my wife or making her angry" Maybe there is a better compromise that you can reach if you can find where your wife's objections lie. Is it fear that you well transition, is it fear that you at "Gay" is it fear she will lose you?...I am guessing but I wouldn't mind betting there is a large amount of fear in it for her. I have been married for about 30 years and I know it was fear that held me back from even talking about it properly...then one day I didn't have a choice it all go too much. I hope you can word it out
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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tgirlamg

Quote from: NancyBalik on July 05, 2017, 05:50:26 PM

...I am so preoccupied...

...I'm sure it will fade...


Hi Nancy!!!

Hmmm.... I wouldn't be so sure Sister!!!... This stuff can be like trying to hold back an incoming tide. The very fact that you are here venting a bit is telling me you are trying to put a band aid on feelings that need more serious attention! :)

You have a good mindset that our situations are the results of our choices... Our lives are truly what we choose to make them to be and I hope you can find choices that bring you peace of mind and a life filled with joy and satisfaction!!!

Onward we go sister!!!

Ashley :)
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

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Laurie

Hi Nancy,

    I'm not going to go into what you can or can not do about your feelings or your relationship with your with. No, in stead I'm going to tell you that you are not alone in your difficulties of putting your female persona away. I have dressed nearly all my life. At first borroring an article of girl's clothing for furtive forays into the softer feminine world. As I grew older these forays would grow to include full attire and makeup.  I would stop, for awhile. I would binge. I would purge, then I would build my wardrobe again.  I'm sure all this is familiar to you. As I am sure you came to accept the need as normal for you and something you have to do, when you can.
   I can tell you that this need doesn't stop or go away. Nor does this growing difficulty to put her away. the desire to dress as as woman, feel as a woman grew from those early experimentations into the forbidden realm of female things. for me there was always a wish, desire to have been born a girl but I was a boy and these were thoughts I should not, could not have. I suppressed them and denied them. But they were there lurking. They grew also as my period of dressing as and feel good about looking like a woman grew. She became harder to put away, insisting on more time in the light until one day I had to admit she was me. Admit that that woman was who I needed to be and she found a way to begin her debut. Hormones and doctors entered my life to begin the physical process  This forum and the people in it
help me with the social side of learning to be her. She's almost out of my closet and the door is being held open for my male self to enter. It probably will not be long now.
   I understand that this is not the result you had told yourself you can pursue and I wish you luck with that. But I see the desire to be her becoming a growing problem for you. I hope that you and your wife are able to begin a completely honest conversation of both of your needs and desires. I hope you bout are able to come to workable terms that allow for each of your needs. Without such open honest conversation I do not see a healthy relationship for you.

   I predict a day when she will refuse to be a shut in any longer and will demand her debut just as is happening to me. For so many years I told myself crossdressing was enough. I lied.  Today she is emerging and she will not go away anymore. She is me and I am her. He is fading and will be put on a shelf in the closet eventually.

  I wish you well in your efforts Nancy.

  Hugs,
     Laurie
April 13, 2019 switched to estradiol valerate
December 20, 2018    Referral sent to OHSU Dr Dugi  for vaginoplasty consult
December 10, 2018    Second Letter VA Psychiatric Practical nurse
November 15, 2018    First letter from VA therapist
May 11, 2018 I am Laurie Jeanette Wickwire
May   3, 2018 Submitted name change forms
Aug 26, 2017 another increase in estradiol
Jun  26, 2017 Last day in male attire That's full time I guess
May 20, 2017 doubled estradiol
May 18, 2017 started electrolysis
Dec   4, 2016 Started estradiol and spironolactone



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Hellboi

Sounds like your wife needs to come to terms with being a lesbian ;D

I hear you loud and clear when you say, "I just wanna say how hard it is."
Go on, scream it girl, we're listening.

The thing is, is that if just sitting in some lovely pajamas makes you that happy, what's so bad about that? In fact, I think a lot of people would be so jealous of that.
There are so many unhappy people in this world, who put ounces of dollars and chemicals into themselves just to try and feel that way that you do when you're yourself. And that's beautiful, Nancy, you're beautiful inside and out.

Tell your wife how happy being yourself makes you, how you feel when you have to push her away. It's like trying to keep a fish out of water. Maybe if she sees how you change, how you light up when you get to be you, she'll realize that it isn't something to be scared of.

I've always felt that helping someone learn to be true to themselves is one of the greatest gifts in life, she's been blessed with a beautiful person, she'll never be able to fully realize it if you keep yourself locked away.
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Brenda3156

You sound like me a year ago. My wife knew I dressed but would not let me do it in front of her and told me she didn't like it. I was careful about it but she found things, some of my hiding places. Finally she got tired of it and told me that she loved me no matter if I dressed or not and if that is what I wanted then she wanted me to do what I needed to be happy. In a way she is being selfish by not allowing you to be yourself and be happy. Some people have been so conditioned by society and religion that they just cant accept someone being transgender. Fortunately my wife was able to. Just hang in there and she may come around. If not you may end up splitting. My first wife of 33 years could not accept it and turned to other men for companionship and sex. I remarried 3 years ago and could not be happier. The marriage I wanted to hold together was making me miserable. You being transgender will not go away and you cant suppress it. It wins, always. As long as the relationship you have is not based on honest communication, the chance of it surviving are slim. I wish you the best of luck and know the pain you are going through. Things will work out for you in the future so don't lose hope.
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