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Being trans is a life sentence.

Started by Julia1996, July 08, 2017, 07:30:28 AM

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Julia1996

Hi everyone. I've been living as a female for 2 years now. I'm already tired of explaining to people and trying to educate them about being trans. I can't even imagine another 60-65 years of it. Once someone finds out I'm trans no matter how much they say they fully accept me as female I know they don't.  Once they know I'm trans then that's all I am or ever will be to them. I'm having SRS next year and I should be happy about it and I am but I also started thinking about my life after SRS. I could try to be stealth but I would have to move to another state and I don't want to leave my family. And I don't think I can ever be totally stealth. There's always going to be something to mess it up. I was born male in 1998. I also graduated high school as a boy.  Those records are in the computer system and probably also in the cloud which means they are forever. I can change my birth certificate but those records of me being born male could still pop up at any time. Then also if anyone tested my DNA then it will test male and I would be outed. And then there is trying to have a normal relationship with a man. I would never have a relationship without telling him I'm trans. It would be starting a relationship with a lie. I tried talking myself into believing it wouldn't be a lie because I am female but that doesn't work. I was born male and that's something a man would consider like a very big deal. I also don't think I could be stealth in a relationship. How could I explain why a girl my age can't have children, doesn't have periods and has to take estrogen?  I maybe could make up some detailed lies that might work but it's not my nature to lie on that kind of scale.  Plus lies ALWAYS come unraveled eventually.

This is all really depressing me. I know there are CIS women who can't have kids. I also know they sometimes lose relationships because of it. It's not that I even want kids. To be honest I don't really even like them. But the fact I won't ever be able to have them is just the fact I'm not "real" slapping me in the face. I just feel like no matter how much hrt and surgery I have and no matter how well I pass I won't ever be a real woman. As hateful as that dick at work was I wonder if maybe he was right about me wearing a female costume I can't take off.
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MissKairi

Here's what I think...

Stuff other people.
Yup.
Do what makes YOU happy.

Forget the past, that's done.

You have the same fears a lot of us do Julia, so we are all here for you to help you along :)
Let's see where this journey takes me.
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Rachel

Being transgender and transsexual is for life; it is not a phase.  Addressing your gender allows us to live our authentic self.

There are lots of labels people and can put upon people. If you were stealth would you be with a transphobic guy? I think not. A loving person as a partner that is accepting and welcoming is what we all look for cis or trans.

There are a lot of things I will never be. I can define myself by what I am not or can not be or I can define myself for who I am and will be. That is a choice a trans person can make. We can not choose to be cis or trans.
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elkie-t

Being albino is also a life sentence. And life is full of problems, you cannot avoid them. You can only try to navigate your life in the direction of problems that you're more comfortable to deal with. Would you rather deal with your transfemale status, or try to suppress all trans feeling and to pretend to be a cis-male? Life ain't easier either way, so choose what is more comfortable for you


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NancyBalik

Julia,  I don't blame you for being pissed about what you will never have.  I understand it.  When I see little girls playing in frilly party dresses or teen girls laughing and hanging out in the mall I know that I will never have that experience.  Or watching fashion models walk down a runway, or seeing a mom breastfeed, or even watching a group of middle-aged women laugh and talk at lunch.  I've missed all that.  We didn't get to grow up as girls.

But geez, Julia, you are only about 20 years old and you will get to live most of your life as a woman--okay, transwoman--you got cheated at birth, but had you been born in 1958 instead of '98 the option of transition wouldn't be ther for you now. 

It's okay to grieve what we don't, and can't have (I do)--but try also to cherish what you have and will have.  You are a woman and have all of your feminine life ahead of you.  Life it!  Nancy
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meatwagon

i definitely feel you; i've had these exact same thoughts time and time again.  add chronic illness to the whole trans mess, and sometimes i just want to have a temper tantrum and scream about how it's not fair that i have to miss out on things most people take for granted. 
sometimes it helps to know there are others in this boat who have found ways to get by and are doing just fine.  that's the beauty of nature: life goes on in the face of adversity. 
i've got multiple life sentences, but only one life.  might as well do what i can to make it worth living, even if it means having to live it differently from everyone else.  i don't want to be one of those people who takes what they have for granted.  i'd rather try to embrace it for what it is--and when i can't do that, i can at least be proud of the fact that i have had the strength to carry it. 
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SadieBlake

Quote from: NancyBalik on July 08, 2017, 09:25:46 AM
Julia,  I don't blame you for being pissed about what you will never have.  I understand it.  When I see little girls playing in frilly party dresses or teen girls laughing and hanging out in the mall I know that I will never have that experience.  Or watching fashion models walk down a runway, or seeing a mom breastfeed, or even watching a group of middle-aged women laugh and talk at lunch.  I've missed all that.  We didn't get to grow up as girls.

But geez, Julia, you are only about 20 years old and you will get to live most of your life as a woman--okay, transwoman--you got cheated at birth, but had you been born in 1958 instead of '98 the option of transition wouldn't be ther for you now. 

It's okay to grieve what we don't, and can't have (I do)--but try also to cherish what you have and will have.  You are a woman and have all of your feminine life ahead of you.  Life it!  Nancy
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Nancy, trans women can definitely lactate and nurse infants. I'm not sure what you're getting at with born in '58 as I was born in '56 and have just recently finished GCS -- true it wasn't a realistic option in my teens or early twenties. Very few women have the option of being a runway model, that's a much smaller demographic than trans women. And I lunch and laugh with cis women of my age who accept me as one of their kind. Passing visually doesn't open that door, passing in how one communicates, empathizes and emotes does IMX.

OP, it's not beyond possibility that uterine transplants will be a viable thing for you. As for explaining, I mostly don't but then I live in a place where most of the people I know are clueful enough to get by. But I also remember when I was younger I felt obligation to explain myself in ways that I now realize didn't serve much of an actual purpose.
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michelleh

Julia,
You were born as a gendered female. Because it starts in your brain and identity. I personally believe the science will catch up or at least make major advances in the area of transgender people. A point is that our identity won't disappear. As more transgender get press and our issues are out there we will start to see people especially younger generations see transwoman as equal to cis woman. Just recently I had GRS and I have so many woman who see me now as just a woman not transgender woman. I have been educating people on Facebook and it is working.

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natalie.ashlyne

Yes unfortunately it is but so is depression also everything is a life sentence no matter what you do. So do what makes you happy. You have to live your life why not be happy with your self. A girl asked me to marry her years ago and it is my life sentence that I said no to her because I thought I was not good enough for her and her kids. I wish I did not feel that way I made the mistake. We all take chances and give them up to make other people happy, you have to live life for yourself.  Their are cis females with xy chromosomes as well so it is just not DNA sorry for the multiple topic answer
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coldHeart

If you keep worrying about the what its & the can not,s your end up going down the road I,ve been traveling you will just get more & more depressed, go live your life as Julia sod the no believers your young pretty every thing I wish I had, there are cis woman who can't have children or never have period so yes you are a woman full stop. Sara
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KathyLauren

As you get older, your connections to your past will fade.  At age 62, no one has asked to see my high school records in about 40 years.  I am in mid-transition  (yes someone born in 1958 or earlier does have that option!  :) ), so everyone in my life knows that I am trans.  But, as I get more passable, I will meet new people who will not notice and will not need to know.  At some point, I will move, and people wherever I move to will not need to know.  I don't intend to be stealth, but I also don't intend to advertise the fact more widely than necessary.

So, yes, being trans is for life, but transitioning doesn't need to be.
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Listen girl, I'm in my 30's and I've past through all what you've passed and by experience is you're pretty and passable so BE STEALTH. And concerning straight guys. You can't just go out and shout out to everyone on the first date what you are, nor anytime soon. Straight men are like bombs that need to be neutralized slowly.

You need to be 100% sure the guy is in love with you, only then you thrash out. Using this technique even the most bigoted one might accept you.

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Lisa_K

Julia, stop thinking so much and take it one step at a time.

I'm like you in many respects. Started hormones senior year and transitioned right after graduating. I had to wait until I was 22 to have SRS so in that respect you are ahead of me. It's been 44 of my 62 years that I've had "to live with it" but let me tell you, it's not as bad as you think.

Being of trans experience is something that will be with you the rest of your life but this doesn't mean you need to have a big red T tattooed on your forehead, wave flags and tell everyone you meet. This deep stealth business is nonsense so stop with all the what if scenarios. Mostly stealth and highly stealth are more realistic and practical objectives. There are always going to be some people that know... your doctors, your family and those that you choose to tell. Living in a small town though where people knew you before is tough. As time passes, there will be less and less of these people that know or recognize you but unfortunately, your most obvious difference may be what ties to the past. As there's not much you can do about being trans or your albinism - you just have to make peace with these things but I think they make you special.

I hate people knowing of my trans history but as you've noted, there's always the likelihood some breadcrumbs to your past will remain. Heck, I was born in a state where it is impossible to change your birth certificate but fortunately, I haven't needed one in my adult life. If I did, all I could do is suck it up, hold my head high and explain the situation. I wouldn't be happy about it and undoubtedly would find it embarrassing and awkward but it would be a situation beyond my control. There's wisdom in knowing the things you can change and in learning there are some you simply cannot.

Keep in mind also that beyond the social legacies you may have to deal with, you're also going to have a trans body to take care of the rest of your life. Hormones and dilation will be things you will probably have to deal with forever but you know what? It really doesn't matter and is no biggie. These things become like brushing your teeth or combing your hair. These aren't things to be depressed about. If you want to be depressed, think back and picture where you'd be if you didn't take hormones and transition and see if your life isn't moving in more a positive direction than it was. Some things may be hard but comparing where you are to where you would have been should make you happy, not sad.

And when it comes to serious relationships or finding a husband, I can see by your words that you wouldn't be deeply involved without telling your partner. Neither would I. Trying to hide and keep secrets would eat me alive. I told my husband, a macho guy you wouldn't think would be able to handle it but he did and he did well. I've also never had a DNA test anytime in my life.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking you're not a "real" woman. While it is true you or I won't ever be really female you will be in the ways that matter other than being able to carry children. Neither you or I could help the body we were born with but we do our best and go through a lot with the material we are given to be as female as possible short of being born that way. All we can do is accept this as who and what we are and take solace knowing we are extraordinary.

What makes us women though is our lives, the ways we live as other women live and because "woman" is the lens through which we view the world as it is for other women and because of the shared experiences between all of us of being women. That's something no one can take away from me. Sure, cis females may have some early things going on we didn't but as you do grow up and make your way in the world, things equal out pretty quickly.

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As to some of the puzzling comments by others, I was born in 1955, started toward transition at 15, began HRT at 17 and finished social transition in 1973 at 18 after graduating high school. Yes, that was really uncommon but it was possible. I had good parents (that may have been aliens!) :)
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Julia,  You are young and I am old, senile, and not up to date with current slang and musical tastes. So technically I don't relate. I spent much of my life lamenting what I didn't have. Then what I've lost. For the last year, I have celebrated what I have found. Sure I've spent my life wondering what it would be like to be a fully functioning female. I also know that was only a dream and a prayer. But just the knowledge that all the people I love, know my secret, makes the world on my shoulders a much lighter place.
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V M

Pretty much, I think it's a life sentence

I didn't understand it or know any of the related terms but I knew from an early age

Even after all these years I go through odd fazes of questioning myself and all the various emotions rise to the top

The love, the hate, denial, self loathing, anxiety... But I know I will always be a trans person and that I must embrace it

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VeronicaLynn

The other option is 60-65 years of trying to pretend you are a masculine man. I opted not to transition when I became a young adult because it seemed too hard, and it was harder back then, not that it is exactly easy now.

I thought maybe I could be happy, and I fooled myself into being happy for awhile, but it quickly became only when I was drunk, and eventually that led to me wanting to be drunk all the time, and with tolerance, that led to me never really being drunk, and thus never being happy...and eventually everything I buried coming back anyway, and feeling I wasted decades of my life trying to please society and be some masculine man they wanted me to be.

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jentay1367

Quote from: VeronicaLynn on July 08, 2017, 03:49:31 PM
The other option is 60-65 years of trying to pretend you are a masculine man.

Nothing in any rule book says you have to do that. If for whatever reason you don't feel you're actually TS, there's no reason you can't define yourself any way you  see and feel fit. That includes being an effeminate man. The only shame in any of it is the shame you choose to carry.
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VeronicaLynn

Quote from: jentay1367 on July 08, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Nothing in any rule book says you have to do that. If for whatever reason you don't feel you're actually TS, there's no reason you can't define yourself any way you  see and feel fit. That includes being an effeminate man. The only shame in any of it is the shame you choose to carry.

Believe me, I've tried doing that. There really isn't "male privilege". There is masculine male privilege. There is a lot of pressure to act masculine, and not be feminine in any way, if you do define yourself as a man.  Really, trying to be a man made me a very quiet person who was afraid to say anything because I was ridiculed almost every time I opened my mouth. Being a man just isn't me at all. Trying to live as one if you are trans is not a road to happiness.

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Sophia Sage

Julia,

You don't have to live under a "life sentence" if you don't want to.  There are some assumptions that go into that, though.  First, you really must absolutely pass, which includes all surgeries and documentation.  Second, make it a personal practice to never initiate disclosure.  Third and finally, stop clocking yourself.

That's it. 

It's a tall order. 

Quote from: Julia1996 on July 08, 2017, 07:30:28 AMI could try to be stealth but I would have to move to another state and I don't want to leave my family. And I don't think I can ever be totally stealth. There's always going to be something to mess it up. I was born male in 1998. I also graduated high school as a boy.  Those records are in the computer system and probably also in the cloud which means they are forever. I can change my birth certificate but those records of me being born male could still pop up at any time. Then also if anyone tested my DNA then it will test male and I would be outed.

Most of these things are not things to worry about.  No one is going to test your DNA.  High school records can be changed -- though really, it's the college/voc-ed records that need to be clear.  (That's what the court-ordered name change documentation is for, to accomplish exactly this.)

Now, moving away?  Yeah, that needs to happen.  But perhaps you might want to consider this as a stage in becoming an adult.  Get some space away from people who don't have the right narrative of you.  And get away from the environment where you don't always maintain the right narrative of yourself.


QuoteAnd then there is trying to have a normal relationship with a man. I would never have a relationship without telling him I'm trans. It would be starting a relationship with a lie. I tried talking myself into believing it wouldn't be a lie because I am female but that doesn't work. I was born male and that's something a man would consider like a very big deal. I also don't think I could be stealth in a relationship. How could I explain why a girl my age can't have children, doesn't have periods and has to take estrogen?  I maybe could make up some detailed lies that might work but it's not my nature to lie on that kind of scale.  Plus lies ALWAYS come unraveled eventually.

This is holding you back more than anything.  You seem to have the belief that your conditions at birth are somehow... permanent.  Please, disavow yourself of that notion.  All that exists is in the here and now -- the past no exists, and the future has yet to be, and even then it'll only "be" for an instant. 

It's kind of hard to be a woman if you don't believe you're a woman. 

As to what other people think, well, perhaps you might want to consider that other people are just wrong, and that their inaccuracy should not be indulged.  Nor does "lying" have to be on the table -- you can honestly tell a prospective long-term relationship (not a casual lover) that you are infertile, that you have to take medication, and that you really don't like to talk about the subject. 


QuoteI just feel like no matter how much hrt and surgery I have and no matter how well I pass I won't ever be a real woman.

You're already a real woman.  You just haven't realized it yet.
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