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Just came out to my 86 year old parents

Started by Kendra, July 16, 2017, 06:55:37 PM

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Ryuichi13

Quote from: Kendra on July 17, 2017, 05:37:59 PM
Thank you all for great additional advice and experiences.  I believe our thoughts here will help others. 

Ruichi - If you decide to video chat with your dad and/or mom, here's some ideas.  Video chat is a casual format so we don't think about lighting or camera angle.  Don't over-think it but I recommend do a test run to check - does your current setup emphasize or accidentally hide things you want to highlight?  And most important, does the camera angle place you in an approachable friendly position, appear superior/condescending (camera angle tilted up) or inferior (looking down at you).  Courtrooms place the judge on a platform to imply a judge isn't an equal of other people in the room.  To avoid this distraction find a way to set your camera somewhat close to horizontal.  Also consider where your eyes will be looking.  One trick is make the window showing you what you're seeing smaller so the center of their face is closer to your camera, so they see your eyes focused near the camera.  As icing on the cake, if you make your video chat window smaller (so you can locate it near the camera), set the remaining screen to something that isn't distracting and makes you happy.  If you want a better shot at positive results, think positive - you can influence others with good thoughts.
Thank you so much for the info Kendra!  I will be sure to do a test run beforehand.  When I finally do it, I'll be sure to post the results in this thread. ☺

Ryuichi

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josie76

Kendra, I just read your post. I am so happy for you!  ;D I hope you will find that without this secret between you, you and your parents find an even closer deeper relationship.

Congrats!
04/26/2018 bi-lateral orchiectomy

A lifetime of depression and repressed emotions is nothing more than existence. I for one want to live now not just exist!

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LizK

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on July 17, 2017, 09:01:28 PM
Thank you so much for the info Kendra!  I will be sure to do a test run beforehand.  When I finally do it, I'll be sure to post the results in this thread. ☺

Ryuichi

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Hi Ryuichi

I have to say that my experience telling my parents didn't go as planned and after 18 months we are not really making much headway. I planned my telling them very very carefully and flew a long way. I am 53 and they are in their late 70's both in good health. I was given advice to be careful to which I certainly tried to heed. They reacted in the usual way initially and then it was not spoken of again for nearly three months when I bought it up.There was a lot of stress for me as result of their inability to really understand what it meant that I was MTF.

One of my siblings also in his 40s' has not been able to handle things and has distanced himself which meant I have not see him for over 2 months now and prior to my coming out we would see each other most weekends and most times during the week, he lives 700m from me.

I think what ever you do you need to prepare yourself for any kind of reaction, even silence, and I don't mean the day you tell them. Despite what appeared to be coldness from them it was more about how to process the changes. I have used Skype to interact with them and as the changes in me have occurred I have hidden them as much as I can and down played the others as they seemed to be happening way faster than they could handle.

The understanding of my parents has been very slow and that has at times been quite difficult to deal with. I am now at the point where I am letting them go, I contacted my Mother for her Birthday and we had a lovely chat but that will be about the limit of my ongoing interaction. But My feelings for her have changed. When we skype she has difficulty seeing the changes in me and can't stay for any longer than about a minute then there is always something that "must" be done,

I really hope it goes well for you. I loved my parents dearly and their full acceptance of me was important to me but I have moved on from that and will maintain a superficial relationship from now on.

Good Luck

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Ryuichi13

Quote from: ElizabethK on July 18, 2017, 01:40:21 AM
Hi Ryuichi

I have to say that my experience telling my parents didn't go as planned and after 18 months we are not really making much headway. I planned my telling them very very carefully and flew a long way. I am 53 and they are in their late 70's both in good health. I was given advice to be careful to which I certainly tried to heed. They reacted in the usual way initially and then it was not spoken of again for nearly three months when I bought it up.There was a lot of stress for me as result of their inability to really understand what it meant that I was MTF.

One of my siblings also in his 40s' has not been able to handle things and has distanced himself which meant I have not see him for over 2 months now and prior to my coming out we would see each other most weekends and most times during the week, he lives 700m from me.

I think what ever you do you need to prepare yourself for any kind of reaction, even silence, and I don't mean the day you tell them. Despite what appeared to be coldness from them it was more about how to process the changes. I have used Skype to interact with them and as the changes in me have occurred I have hidden them as much as I can and down played the others as they seemed to be happening way faster than they could handle.

The understanding of my parents has been very slow and that has at times been quite difficult to deal with. I am now at the point where I am letting them go, I contacted my Mother for her Birthday and we had a lovely chat but that will be about the limit of my ongoing interaction. But My feelings for her have changed. When we skype she has difficulty seeing the changes in me and can't stay for any longer than about a minute then there is always something that "must" be done,

I really hope it goes well for you. I loved my parents dearly and their full acceptance of me was important to me but I have moved on from that and will maintain a superficial relationship from now on.

Good Luck

Liz
Thank you for the warning, I greatly appreciate it. 

As much as I love my parents, like I mentioned before, I've always been the kind of son that only spoke to them when something (often good, sometimes bad) happens.  It usually meant holidays, birthdays and the like.  I don't think that will change very much.

I suppose that is partially my fault.  Unlike my other siblings, I've always gone my own way.  It was never in me to "keep up with the Joneses," "try to fit in with everyone else," or even simply "be normal," whatever that may be.

It would suck if they pull away any more than I've already pushed them, but at least it wouldn't be too much more different than it already is.

I just want them to know why I've been even more distant than I already am.  Its only fair for them to know.

Of course, I'm also hoping that they will simply shrug and things will basically go on like normal.  It would be nice to become close to them.

Somehow, I suspect that in some subconscious way, they already know.  A couple of my siblings told me they did (and my lifelong behaivor now made sense), and my parents are really intelligent.

Ryuichi

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Gertrude

Both my parents are gone and it's just my brother and one of my sisters left. My therapist had my write a coming out letter and I am trying to figure out whom to send it to. I moved away 15 years ago and I'm 2000-2500 miles from my family. My wife's family is another story. I don't think she'd want me to send it to them for various reasons and to be honest, there's only one or two out of her 12 siblings I'd tell if I did and I have no need to tell them. How have any of you decided who to tell? As changes happen, like social media, photos, name, etc, people will pickup after a while. Just wondering aloud. My kids would be first of course, but after that, I don't know.


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KathyLauren

Quote from: Gertrude on July 18, 2017, 03:15:37 PMHow have any of you decided who to tell?
The first people I told were my wife, of course, and a neighbour whom I could count on for support.

All the family I have got consists of two brothers and a cousin.  I told one brother right away, but hesitated to tell the other one.  But the day I went full-time, I figured he deserved to hear it from me and not from someone else, so I sent him an email.  The cousin learned from Facebook, just like everyone else. 

I told the people in my community in person.  The population is only about 300, so there's no keeping secrets.  Everyone either knows directly from me or via the grapevine.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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tgirlamg

Telling my aunt, who was 89 at the time was fun!!!... My ex girlfriend of 17 years lived near my aunt in Southern CA... I called my Aunt and said I was going to drive down and take her out to dinner and my ex GF was going to join us and bring her girlfriend (me)....When I got to LA, I called her again and said I was running late but my ex and her friend were on the way over to her place

We went in and I was introduced and talked to my aunt for 15 minutes straight and she had no idea it was me until we told her!!! We went out to a great dinner afterwards!!!


My aunt is bisexual and had relationships with both guys and girls when I was growing up... She always considered herself a bit of a sexual outlaw with how society was in the 40s and 50s so she was thrilled that I am Trans and we are closer now that she gets the real me!!!

Onward we go!!!

Ashley :)

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

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Kendra

My parents live 100 miles (160km) away for half the year in the US.  They spend the other half of each year in Asia.  Since coming out to them 3 weeks ago I have seen them for a day almost every weekend and we have talked on the phone almost every day.  Last weekend I showed them my estrogen patch prescription and explained how that works.  I told them I let my manager at work know I am transgender and he is very supportive.  My parents and I have not been this connected since before I was a teenager.  Now that my parents know I am transgender they understand me.

I saw the 1979 total eclipse in Yakima, Washington State (they did not - they were too busy).  I was 15 at the time, already driving myself to college every day (long story I'll skip here).  I asked if I could borrow the truck and drive over the mountains to Yakima and they said yes.  The eclipse was incredible.  Even a 98% eclipse is just a big chip in the sun.  A 100% eclipse suddenly transforms the landscape into another planet - the hills appear almost backlit, the sky is disorienting, the color of everything is unreal.  The descriptions don't make sense - you have to see a total eclipse to understand. 

I've decided to take them to see the August 21 eclipse.  I know better than to drive from Seattle south to mid-Oregon as literally a million people will try to drive on the same road, aiming for the same two minutes - converging north from San Francisco and south from Seattle.  Roads will be jammed anywhere within a day of a population center.  If I was going solo I'd pack a tent but this is with my parents so I found and reserved a hotel in Idaho Falls, Idaho for the evening of August 20.  We will drive east Friday-Saturday into Montana where there are fewer people and then head south. 

I sent them email last night about the trip, told them I pre-paid for a hotel room.  I was just about to call them a few minutes ago, but before dialing my phone noticed my mom had replied to my email.  The brief story she told caused me to burst out in tears.  I started estrogen HRT 12 days ago, others have warned me my emotions will be different - I've had a few things that caused me to pause but nothing like this where I was crying and could not stop.  I am not sad at all.  It's the joy of realizing how valuable life is, what a short time we all have, and how lucky I am to have parents who suddenly understand who I am, as I am transitioning to become the woman I should have been all along.

My mother was born and raised in Hokkaido Japan in the 1930s- their equivalent of Alaska.  They had pretty much no money and she hiked to school in snow shoes.  Here is part of what she said.

"Many moons ago... my brother took me to that event when I was 9 or 10 years old at Hakodate.  He burned a candle on broken glass to make smoked glass.  I got to see the chipped sun.  I was late to school."

She probably doesn't realize we are going to see a total eclipse, very different than a partial eclipse.  But my mom telling me about home made solar glasses 76 years ago - it just really struck me.

I am so glad I will be making this trip with them.  I just wish all of us could have such understanding parents and family and could transition while they are still around.  I feel more than a little guilty describing things that go well, because I know many of us face terrible situations with family. 

Ok, typing this has helped.  I've regained my composure enough to call them on the phone.
Assigned male at birth 1963.  Decided I wanted to be a girl in 1971.  Laser 2014-16, electrolysis 2015-17, HRT 7/2017, GCS 1/2018, VFS 3/2018, FFS 5/2018, Labiaplasty & BA 7/2018. 
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Laurie

Don't feel guilty we all love to read good stories in spite of how our own may be.

  Tears are strange, today I cried out of frustration and then a bit later because I read something good.

Dang hormones.

Hugs,
   Leonard
April 13, 2019 switched to estradiol valerate
December 20, 2018    Referral sent to OHSU Dr Dugi  for vaginoplasty consult
December 10, 2018    Second Letter VA Psychiatric Practical nurse
November 15, 2018    First letter from VA therapist
May 11, 2018 I am Laurie Jeanette Wickwire
May   3, 2018 Submitted name change forms
Aug 26, 2017 another increase in estradiol
Jun  26, 2017 Last day in male attire That's full time I guess
May 20, 2017 doubled estradiol
May 18, 2017 started electrolysis
Dec   4, 2016 Started estradiol and spironolactone



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KathyLauren

Quote from: Kendra on August 05, 2017, 08:53:10 PMI feel more than a little guilty describing things that go well, because I know many of us face terrible situations with family. 
Thank you for sharing that story, Kendra!

Do not feel guilty about sharing happy news.  We all need some, and those who don't have some of their own need to share in the good news of someone who does.  It gives us all hope and inspiration, and, yes, tears of joy.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Steph Eigen

Kendra,
I am so happy for you.

You will always have to temporal coincidence of the start of your formal transition, coming out to family and beginning of a new life only weeks prior the total solar eclipse making this a landmark year, one which will call to memory the experience of your mother as a child.

These are precious things.  Derive well deserved joy and happiness from them.

Steph
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steph2.0

Wow, Kendra, your story is fantastic. I'm kinda new here - joined about three weeks ago, but have been too busy to even write an introduction yet. Your story touched me because tomorrow I'm flying 1200 miles for my Mom's 80th surprise birthday party (I'm 58). The day after the party I'll be telling her and my sister about my transition. I think they'll both take it ok, since there have been a few incidents in my past that may keep it from being a complete surprise. I'm less worried about rejection than I am about hurting my Mom.

I've come out to my wife, who has been wonderful (she's been telling my therapist and people in the support groups we attend that, "she [meaning me!] deserves to be happy."). I've also told four very close and supportive friends, so I've had a chance to practice my speech, but I'm still extremely nervous about Mom and sis.

The family is used to seeing the old me with a cynical and dour attitude, so at the party I intend to show them how much happier I am since I started HRT. I intend to go into my speech with an invitation for them to share my joy. I hope that's the right tack to take.

Again congratulations, Kendra!

Steph


Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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Kendra

Thank you Laurie, KathyLauren and Steph Eigen.  And Steph2.0, absolutely best wishes for your trip tomorrow, and (most importantly) the day after tomorrow. 
Assigned male at birth 1963.  Decided I wanted to be a girl in 1971.  Laser 2014-16, electrolysis 2015-17, HRT 7/2017, GCS 1/2018, VFS 3/2018, FFS 5/2018, Labiaplasty & BA 7/2018. 
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coldHeart

What a beautiful story Kendra, it's filled me up with tears.
I always went through the act in my head of telling my parents but both are dead as well as sidling but come out to friends instead, they couldn't run fast enough.. So sad
Sara
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steph2.0

Quote from: Kendra on August 06, 2017, 05:48:12 PM
Steph2.0, absolutely best wishes for your trip tomorrow, and (most importantly) the day after tomorrow.

Thanks Kendra,

Things went so much better today than I'd anticipated. I haven't gone full time yet, but every stitch I was wearing came from the women's department, though you probably couldn't tell. I was really nervous and on the edge of tears, and went on and on, over explaining the situation, and next thing I knew I was being smothered by my sister who was thrilled because she always wanted a sister. My Mom is completely on board, too. She told me, "You're my s... my child, and I love you no matter what."

The only limitation my sister imposed is I'm not allowed to dress better than her. I told her no promises. Later on she offered me the ring my Mom wore when she was married to my Dad (she got remarried after my Dad died long ago). She had intended give it to her daughter (my niece) but thought maybe my Dad's new other daughter might want it now. It was a very touching gesture, but I've never worn rings and probably never will.

So far my support network includes my wife, my Mom and sister, five very dear friends - one of whom is a trans woman herself - the various support groups I take part in, my therapist and doctor, and this group and a few on Facebook. I, too, feel a little guilty when I think about how many of my sisters are having such a hard time of it. I know things aren't always going to go well for me, but for today I'm going to enjoy the relief.

Stephanie


Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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Ryuichi13

Oh wow Stephanie, so thrilled to hear that things went so beautifully for you!  Congrats!

Ryuichi

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Raell

Wow, Kendra..I admire your courage and I'm glad it worked out well for you.

Thankfully, I was spared coming out, even as a nonbinary partial transmale, to my parents, and having to explain it all to them, as they passed away in 2008 and I didn't know what I was until 2013.
But since my parents treated my mom's sister, whose significant other was a transmale, like a normal member of the family, there might not have been a problem.

Besides, my mom gave up trying to girlify me when I was little, allowing me to run wild with the boys, and even lining me up with my two brothers to warn us to "NEVER hit girls!"
At the time, I only thought it was unfair, but it never occurred to me to protest that I was a girl myself. Neither did it occur to anyone else who was present.
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Kendra

Stephanie, awesome!!!  I am so glad everything went well for you - you just made my day!  And what an amazing gesture with the ring. 

Raell, sounds like your parents were great.  I am sorry to hear they passed away.  I know they would be proud of you.

I am going to see my parents this weekend and will be planning details for our trip to Wyoming/Idaho to see the eclipse together.   

Assigned male at birth 1963.  Decided I wanted to be a girl in 1971.  Laser 2014-16, electrolysis 2015-17, HRT 7/2017, GCS 1/2018, VFS 3/2018, FFS 5/2018, Labiaplasty & BA 7/2018. 
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KathyLauren

Stephanie, I am so happy for you!  Congratulations on coming out to family!  What an awesome mom and sister you have!
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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steph2.0

Ryuichi, Kendra, KathyLauren,

Thanks so much for your comments. After reading them and thinking about it, I realized what an awesome gesture of acceptance my sister had made by offering the ring. I had originally declined with thanks, but today before she drove us to the airport I asked if it would be alright if I took it. She lit up and ran off to get it for me.

We were never very close before, but I feel we've really strengthened the family ties. After bracing myself for at best confusion and ambivalence, and at worst rejection, I'm still stunned by how it turned out. I had planned to have my bags packed so I could leave her house quickly if necessary, though I didn't get it done before we left to meet with my Mom. Afterward, when I told my sister about that, she was almost insulted that I'd even worried about it. I'm a bit ashamed that after 58 years I didn't know her better. She's offered advice about makeup and clothing, and is genuinely worried about my safety. I can see we're going to be much closer going forward.

When I finally got home tonight I tried the ring on for the first time. It only fits my little finger, but seeing it on my hand... well let's just say that I'm leaking from the ocular area.

Stephanie


Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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