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Started by Tommie_9, September 27, 2017, 09:15:27 AM

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Tommie_9

Help! I probably won't get a lot of responses because this is kinds long. Maybe some of you are experiencing the same confusion. I was assigned male at birth. That's never been me as long as I can remember. I've been torturing myself over this these past few weeks. I think I'm non-binary, but no definition for non-binary, genderqueer, gender fluid, etc., is helping me define myself, other than the umbrella term transgender, which is what I've been using when I disclose to people. To help you help me, below is a list of things about me that may help you give me an opinion. I regularly see a gender therapist, but she's leaving my gender identity up to me.

1. I absolutely don't identify as male, but 'm not interested in SRS. I'm not experiencing dysphoria over my body, which isn't very masculine, or genitalia. I don't know how much HRT could make a difference to make the risk and cost worth it.
2. I've always hated facial and body hair, thank goodness I don't have much, so I'm getting facial and underarm hair removed (it comes with the package so why not). I shave what sparse and fine hair I have on my thighs, chest and private area about once a week.
3. I have small, rounded female looking breasts -- I think I was almost born a girl. ;) I like how they look like natural female breasts under more form-fitting tops when I wear shapewear that cuts underneath them. They're not large enough to sag. I hate wearing a bra but I sometimes have to to keep my nipples from showing too much.
4. I present as what's called non-binary most of the time, including at the office, but I relish opportunities to present as binary female out shopping or whatever without going overboard. I'm a feminist and not a glamorous dress kind of girl, or whatever I am. By closely observing women, once I got the hang of it with my walk, gestures and voice, I've had no trouble passing as female. Yaaay!
5. Only in rare situations where I may never be able to disclose, such as to my wife's ultra-conservative and fundamentalist family to protect her, do I try to present as a man. I wear longer more feminine style hair than the normative male around here, so there's that one thing I won't change for these situations. Thankfully, we only see them once or twice a year for Thanksgiving and family reunions. I hate those times, and can't wait to get home and be myself.
6. When I get lazy or in  hurry and just present as non-binary when I'm out shopping or whatever, sometimes I get ma'am and sometimes I get sir. I understand the confusion, but I hate being called sir. It's like hearing fingernails scraping on a chalk board. I prefer feminine pronouns and ma'am and that's what I tell people when they ask. No one outside the transgender community is going to use neutral pronouns.
7. My personality, creativity and emotions as culturally defined are more female.
8. I buy and wear women's more gender ambiguous clothing and shoes almost all the time. I always wear women's underwear and under trousers knee-high, opaque stockings that can pass for men's nylon socks. I hate the feel of cotton and heavier men's fabrics. Women's stuff is just so much more comfortable than men's to me.
9. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I prefer "chick" type movies, like the latest version of Beauty and the Beast, which was awesome, to guy type action movies, which I never watch. I'd rather plant flowers and do gardening than more male associated activities like riding a four-wheeler, which is popular around here. I'd rather be one of the girls.
10. I didn't want to stray too far from my male nickname, so I just changed the spelling from Tommy to the female version Tommie. One of my childhood friends mother's name was Tommie, so I went with that.

I value the opinions of other transgender people and think they're/we're the only ones who can help. I can't think of anything else to tell you to help you give your opinion, but if you think of a question to ask me that might help please ask. Thank you for taking the time to read all this and respond! :-*

Tommie
Finding 'self' is the first step toward becoming 'self'. Every step is part of a journey. May your journey lead to happiness. Peace!
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VeronicaLynn

Hi Tommie!

You can easily drive yourself crazy trying to find a gender label that fits you. I think I tried almost all of them at some point and none quite fit me.

You seem a bit like me from your list. I'm not on HRT yet, I used to be totally against it, now I'm starting to really think it might help me. I can live with how I look right now, but I am terrified about my hair getting any thinner, and don't want to masculinize any further. If I were to look more like I did 20 years ago, it would be even better.

I'm going with transfeminine right now as it leaves open whether I am binary or non-binary. I think I'd just say transgender outside of the trans community though if asked. Cis-people don't really care about these labels anyway. It seems like you have yourself pretty well defined, do you really need to be defined by one word?


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Elis

It took me a good while to find the most suitable label for my gender; in the end I just randomly came across it which will most likely happen for you too. It's ok just to class yourself as nb without having a name for which type you are exactly. It's more important to concentrate on what would you make you feel most comfortable within your body atm. Which even for cis people can be an ever changing thing.
They/them pronouns preferred.



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Rowena_Ellenweorc

Quote from: Elis on September 27, 2017, 10:00:58 AM
It's ok just to class yourself as nb without having a name for which type you are exactly. It's more important to concentrate on what would you make you feel most comfortable within your body atm. Which even for cis people can be an ever changing thing.

THIS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!

I'm pretty much the 'male' version of what you've listed.  And keeping in mind that non-binary just means anything outside the gender binary of male or female, that has given me comfort. I'm figuring out how "male" I am still, and I love having that umbrella term to fall back on.  Of course then you run into the 'non-binary doesn't exist' argument, or the 'what on earth does that mean' question.
So you don't fit into a neat little pink package with a pink ribbon.  Maybe you're a pink package with a lavender ribbon.  Or a lavender package with a blue ribbon.  Or maybe you're one of those 'odd size baggage' parcels that you have to pick up on a different conveyor belt.  Doesn't matter really. Still a package. And that to me is what the term non-binary is.
~Ren

Born May 1989 - Assigned Female
October 2016 - Came out to self/online
Feb/March 2017 - Officially came out to husband
April 2017 - Realized I'm Non-Binary
June 2017 - Started Therapy
August 2017 - Came out to parents
October 2017 - modified FB profile
November 26, 2017 - Came out https://www.facebook.com/notes/karen-ren-losee/please-read/10155966104353223/ on FB

"Walking beside the guilty and the innocent
How will you raise your hand when they call your name?"
- Bon Jovi "We weren't Born to follow"

I am done crying over not being feminine.
I am done griping about being too masculine.
I will be me.
And that's a non-binary being.
I am... ME!

....

This... is MY story
The story of a girl trapped in a guy's body.
A boy trapped in a girl's body.
No.  Its the story of a... human being.
- From one of my poems
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Tommie_9

Thank you, everyone, for taking the time to read all of this and give me your feedback. It means a lot. I guess it comes down to this thinking about it some more today. In our society if you're not a man you're a woman any way. I mean honestly, I just got back from shopping for some new fall shoes at the Mall, and everyone greeted me as a woman, so I'm a woman. Just because I still have a male body part doesn't mean I'm not a woman. Just because I don't fully transition doesn't mean I'm not a woman. So, I'm a woman who sometimes dresses more like a man. I feel good about settling on that. Thank you again, so much!  :-*
Finding 'self' is the first step toward becoming 'self'. Every step is part of a journey. May your journey lead to happiness. Peace!
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Sarahthenerd

Your therapist is right, only you can correctly label yourself.

And don't worry about about making a mistake, your free to change your labels or nouns any time you want to.

I used to hate labels, for a long time I did not know of one that fit well. I'm currently using the trans* umbrella term with those I am out to, but leaning towards "queer" as I get closer to transition, partially because i fit into many lgbtq groups. That and I don't want to see it used as a slur any more, so I'm going to own it!

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Jenntrans

How about labeling yourself as you, Tommie.

I am a lot like you. I grew boobs during puberty and my feet are small and hate body hair and love long hair on my head.

I am a trans woman. That is not a label but a fact. You may be non binary indeed and I went back and forth quite a bit but at my age, I think it is pretty safe to say I settled comfortably on a being a trans woman.

But only you can be nothing more nor less than who you are. All that is up to you my dear. But I think you know, I did and yet I still don't for sure. Does it really matter though? As long as you can enjoy life and be comfortable with yourself, that is all that matters. But it may move one way or the other and so on.

You may not need HRT because there are some beautiful flat chested women out there. You may not need SRS because again there are some really beautiful trans women out there. But it all comes down to one thing and that is whatever is right for you.

My best friend from childhood is gay and he thinks I am gay and can't grasp the trans concept and just because I like guys. I am a little too sissy for him but he respects my femininity too. He even introduced me to one of his friends that was bi but it didn't work out.

But whoever you are and wherever you find that comfort zone cannot be decided by anyone but yourself. When you can be ok with yourself no matter Orientation or Identity then you have found the zone. It may cost you but never fear though. It is going to sound selfish, but the only one that has to be happy in your life is you.
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Tommie_9

Thank you, Jenn, and others sympathetic enough to reply. I've spent the past few days trying to reconcile this question, if not years. It just kinda came to a head for some reason today. I've accepted I'm female through and through, always have been, and that's that. Even if I don't completely transition and present androgynous some of the time, I'm happiest as a woman and that's who I am inside and out. I knew I was a girl when I was labeled a little "boy", and now I know I'm a woman. That's that. I can go to bed tonight feeling that it's settled and that feels good.
Love to all, Tommie.
Finding 'self' is the first step toward becoming 'self'. Every step is part of a journey. May your journey lead to happiness. Peace!
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Jenntrans

Quote from: Tommie_9 on September 27, 2017, 09:02:40 PM
Thank you, Jenn, and others sympathetic enough to reply. I've spent the past few days trying to reconcile this question, if not years. It just kinda came to a head for some reason today. I've accepted I'm female through and through, always have been, and that's that. Even if I don't completely transition and present androgynous some of the time, I'm happiest as a woman and that's who I am inside and out. I knew I was a girl when I was labeled a little "boy", and now I know I'm a woman. That's that. I can go to bed tonight feeling that it's settled and that feels good.
Love to all, Tommie.

Sometimes Tommie, we are just different. Sometimes there is no one thing that can explain it.

I know this will sound counter productive but always question and push because that is how we really get to know ourselves.

Yes I was socialized basically as a girl because most of the neighbors children my age were girls. I have no brothers or sisters all my cousins were girls. I grew A cups in puberty so I really don't thing the socialization had as much to do with it. Something did not grow though so thinking about it now, maybe it all had something to do with it.

But I have pushed it though. I found the love of my life once and was stupid enough to leave him to push it. Found another love and I pushed the other way a little too far and she was not a lesbian. I am now lucky enough to have found another love and I think I am settled one way or the other. He talks about marriage but I do not want marriage again. We basically have a common law marriage now and who knows? But marriage at my age scares the crap out of me.

But only one thing is that you have to decide who you are for yourself. You can be either/or or both but that is totally on you though but things may change for you though.
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Satinjoy

We strive to fit in, find a pack, a tribe, a home.

Labels can comfort, or limit.

In the end we find who we are, our truth, if we dont decieve ourselves through peer pressure or other social stress.

Labels disolve, blur, but who we are does not, we get dialed in, find ourselves, find our freedom and our truth.  And those are not definitions, but become simply who we are, the life experience and unique gender awareness that is simply us.

And that is where happiness is.

At least, for me.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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JoanneB

My therapist told me not to get hung hung up on labels when I told her I need to think of myself as NB. Self identifying, in my mind, as NB does help in keeping me from driving myself crazy since deep down inside I know in my heart I am very binary.

The reality of my life, today, is NB. Inside, many to almost all of my feelings mirror yours. Nothing matches the sheer joy of being out in the real world presenting as the 100% real me, inside and out. I have wanted to be a girl since like the age of 4. I never had a desire for GCS, just a female body. Sex was never a big thing for me. Hated any sort of body hair. Loved my pre-HRT little almost girl boobs (maybe Klienfelters?). If I was born into today's world and not 6ft tall and balding since 14, I'd probably doing much the same as you... to test the waters
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