Myths in our community that need to die a quick death

[Hypatia]

This was starting out to be a great thread, a memorable thread. Until it got hijacked way off course. Folks, please remember netiquette, if you have a lot to say on a totally different subject, make a new thread for it and post a link to there. I want more on the myths because we have tons of them to slay.

[tinkerbell]

This was starting out to be a great thread, a memorable thread. Until it got hijacked way off course. Folks, please remember netiquette, if you have a lot to say on a totally different subject, make a new thread for it and post a link to there. I want more on the myths because we have tons of them to slay.

I agree.  Let's stay on topic people!.  The title of this thread is:  Myths in our community that need to die a quick death.  If you would like to talk about something else, please start a new thread.  Thanks.

tink

[Valentina]

1. Although mtf transsexuals have surgery to change their anatomy and take female hormones, they still act like men.
2. MTF transsexuals are not women-born women
3. MTF transsexuals are trying to "pass " as women. They try to make themselves as much like nontranssexual women as possible.
4. MTF transsexuals take jobs away from other women because they had access to better training when they were men.
5. To lessen the power of patriarchy in our lives, we must purge our community of everything male, including women who once had male anatomy.
6. Most women can easily prove they are not male-to-female transsexuals, if they are challenged to do so.
7. Women's space is not "safe" space if mtf transsexuals are allowed.
8. The sex assigned to a person at birth is that person's "real" sex.
9. Nontranssexual women have the right to decide whether transsexuals should be included in the women's community.
10. MTF transsexuals will always be men

[Shana A]

i have heard that hypocritical crap somewhere.  something to do with a music festival or something where FTMs were allowed but no MTFs.  and to that i say WTF.

Michigan Womens Music Festival, their policy is only womyn born womyn are allowed. Thus an M2F can't attend, but in theory, an F2M could... 

y2g

[Nero]

i have heard that hypocritical crap somewhere.  something to do with a music festival or something where FTMs were allowed but no MTFs.  and to that i say WTF.

Michigan Womens Music Festival, their policy is only womyn born womyn are allowed. Thus an M2F can't attend, but in theory, an F2M could... 

y2g

yep. because they don't believe in TSism and think FTMs are just doing this to gain male privilege.

i've also heard another one of their excuses was something like 'ftms still know what it's like to suffer sexism and the hardships of being female in this patriarchal society.'
like mtfs don't?

Posted on: December 15, 2007, 09:54:30 AMthey always go on about how mtfs were born with male privilege and don't understand the struggles of WBW.
but i would think they actually understand better than WBW about sexism and such. who knows better than transsexual women the difference between how men and women are treated?

[Shana A]

yep. because they don't believe in TSism and think FTMs are just doing this to gain male privilege.

i've also heard another one of their excuses was something like 'ftms still know what it's like to suffer sexism and the hardships of being female in this patriarchal society.'
like mtfs don't?

Posted on: December 15, 2007, 09:54:30 AMthey always go on about how mtfs were born with male privilege and don't understand the struggles of WBW.
but i would think they actually understand better than WBW about sexism and such. who knows better than transsexual women the difference between how men and women are treated?

Whether or not I can ever know exactly what a WBW goes through, I have certainly experienced my share of harm from growing up gender variant within the patriarchal society.

y2gen

[Veronica Secret]

i have heard that hypocritical crap somewhere.  something to do with a music festival or something where FTMs were allowed but no MTFs.  and to that i say WTF.

Michigan Womens Music Festival, their policy is only womyn born womyn are allowed. Thus an M2F can't attend, but in theory, an F2M could... 

y2g

They justify it by saying they don't want "male energy." It is not just theory, FtMs do participate. Total hypocrisy.

[Ell]

Honestly, i'm not a girl who ever believed in events like Lilith Fair, Celtic Woman, or that backwater Michigan event in bush country. Lifetime Channel feminists are not exactly my idea of feminine, and were never something i wanted to aspire to. that mean-spirited, pushy attitude they love to shove in people's faces seems to me to be just awash in testosterone.  Blech!!!

[Keira]

That women's festival is part of the great myth.
Its always possible to tell that somebody's a TS.
I bet I'd go there and have no problem.
Do they strip search everybody?
Later, even that wouldn't work...

[Yvonne]

Since I am intersex, I will give a few myths from that perspective.

--- Intersexuality is extremely rare.
--- Only "true hermaphrodites" are really intersexed
--- If you're transsexed, then you're intersexed.
--- You can't raise an intersexed child as a boy or girl without surgery.
--- Surgery on intersex babies makes normal-looking genitals.
--- Once surgery is better, we won't have to worry about intersexuality.
--- Corrective surgeries on intersex babies make parents forget their kid was born different and undoes all their confusion, shame, guilt, and fear.
---  Corrective surgery on infants is quite alright

[Hypatia]

Myth: All transsexual people fully consciously realize they're the other gender in early childhood and articulate it openly. If you didn't speak out about it when you were 3 years old, you can't be transsexual.

[Nero]

Myth: All transsexual people fully consciously realize they're the other gender in early childhood and articulate it openly. If you didn't speak out about it when you were 3 years old, you can't be transsexual.

Good one, Hypatia. Whether or not one felt comfortable declaring their true gender at a young age, has more to do with the parents or guardians and the household environment than with the child. A child growing up in a strict religious household and punished for the slightest infraction is far less likely to speak up and say something warranting severe punishment than a child in a more 'casual' and comfortable home environment.
So, it says more about the parents or guardians than the child's condition.

[Joyce]

Hypatia, you said it, sister.  Being aware that you're different is a far, far cry from knowing what your options are and what you should do about it.

[Yvonne]

Myth: All transsexual people fully consciously realize they're the other gender in early childhood and articulate it openly. If you didn't speak out about it when you were 3 years old, you can't be transsexual.

I dont think these peeps are "not" transsexual.  They just realise their condtion at a much later time.  But the opposite is true too.  There are many trans peeps that realise their condition (maybe not in scientific terms) when they are three years old.

[Keira]

well, there's realize, and realize. Remember, its 3 years old we're talking about
and everybody's got a different notion od what a woman is that relates to
the environment you've grown up in. If your mother's was an everest climber and polar
explorer and dressed in jeans and T's I'm not sure you'd feel so different from
her as if she was a girly socialite.

I had little notion of gender under probably 7, I was quite a loner and
the only contacts I had out of school
was with the girl's in the neighborhood who accepted wholesale.
I had long hair until I as 10 (it was in fashion in the mid 70's)
I didn't really see a major diff between me and the other girls
until their puberty. Then it hit me hard.

[Doc]

--- If you're transsexed, then you're intersexed.

Can you explain why this is a myth? If trannsexual people are born with female-brain-structure in male bodies and vice versa, then transsexualism is an intersexed condition.

[Jeannette]

Transsexual women are not real women aftersurgery, because they can't have babies. And transsexual men are not real men after surgery because they can't make women pregnant.

Transsexualism is so new that no one has had a chance to pass any laws to cover the legal aspects of it.

Transsexualism (Unrelenting Gender Dysphoria) is not really a medical problem. Transsexuals choose to be transsexuals, so transsexualism is a matter of orientation.

Transsexuals who are interested in children are only interested because they are pedophiles. Children who are exposed to transsexuals, or who have parents who are transsexuals will suffer emotional and psychological damage, and may grow up as gay or transsexuals themselves.

Transsexualism is a sin.

Heterosexual  transsexuals are all a bunch of ego-dystonic gayboy ->-bleeped-<-s and butch dykes.

Girls are autogynephilic too. It's just natural female sexuality

All transsexuals are the same, some just transition later >

The two types of transsexuals can't be easily divided by the age they transition >

[Dorothy]

Transsexual people are weak because they couldnt live as their birth sex
Transsexual people are not normal
Transsexual people lack personality
Transsexual people lack the strength needed to assimilate
Transsexual people lack self-love
Transsexual people lack strength


Thank you N for the inspiration

[Steph]

There have been complaints that this thread keeps veering off topic.  Stay on topic please other wise posts will be deleted from this point on.

And as Tink pointed out - if you have a point of view that is not relevant to the topic then start a new one.  Last warning folks.

Steph

[Berliegh]

Re: Myths in our community that need to die a quick death

.....how about the 'our community' myth. I live in my own community and town in the U.K and although it's very nice to chat to folk in another country and exchange views on - line about TS issue's, but I'm not actually part of any transgendered community in the U.K or the U.S. I'm just me and I just do ordinary things like go to the pub or go to a concert. I'm a just part of the everyday community......