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Myths in our community that need to die a quick death

Started by Nero, December 07, 2007, 07:35:08 PM

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Hypatia

Quote from: Tink on December 18, 2007, 06:13:55 PM
Hypatia, I understood what you meant. ...
Basically she supported your notion but expanded it a bit.  Anyhow, I thought I'd let you know!
Thanks! Sorry if I misunderstood.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Christo

Trans dudes are weaker then bio dudes.  no we aint :laugh:
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Dennis

Quote from: Chris on December 19, 2007, 12:30:59 AM
Trans dudes are weaker then bio dudes.  no we aint :laugh:

No we ain't. I had a personal trainer for 8 months who didn't know I was trans. He was amazed at my progress. And, at the end of it I could outlift the guy ahead of me. Both legs and arms.

Dennis
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Keira

At the amateur level, I would agree in general.

But, at the competitive level (Olympics, national) there is a marked difference
in power event like 100-200 meters sprints, high jumps, clean and jerk weightlifting,
there is a BIG difference in records between males and females and it the
reason for this is muscle fibers, females have much more slow fibers which
are geared towards performance at 75% of maximum power during very
long period of times.

Power is Force X Speed, its the speed component that will be lacking until fibers turn over
from slow to fast.

It takes many years to turnover fibers and its only under very very hard training
that new fibers will be devellopped instead of old fibers boosted. So, unless
your a FTM who transitioned at 14-20, its improbably you'll ever be
doing the olympics because the fiber turnover will finish to late.

Doesn't mean you won't be strong as an ox though. Olympics and national level is
something most people cannot aspire too and I'm just telling you that
in this particular case, there is a difference.

For example, my high jump record is 7, 3 inch in practice (2m20 ).
That's very far from the male world record, but way above the female world record.

On the opposite direction, I found surprising that they allowed MTF in the olympics
only 3 years after SRS since in those events, it would give a distinct advantage.
But, I suppose being out of the competitive limelight for 3 years and
being at a disadvantage against men prior to SRS
would present enough of a disadvantage to compensate for this.

Also, there are very few high levels athletes, and even fewer TS.
I know of 2-3 high level athletes that have the chance to go to
the olympics and none are in power events; one is in mountain
biking and she's from Quebec. Initially, she faced some weariness
from other women on her circuit, but now she's well integrated
and they don't think she's got an undue advantage.


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Veronica Secret

Quote from: Pica Pica on December 18, 2007, 07:38:09 AM
a lot of T people are pretty conservative aren't they?

I could never get it. Like the Log Cabin Republicans. Wassup wid dat? Self-loathing?
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Veronica Secret on December 22, 2007, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on December 18, 2007, 07:38:09 AM
a lot of T people are pretty conservative aren't they?

I could never get it. Like the Log Cabin Republicans. Wassup wid dat? Self-loathing?

Nice, Veronica. Prolly so. Or just the insistence that politics MUST not follow what might seem to be in one's best interest? In your Log Cabin example, "My being gay is secondary to my believing in the political philosophy of Attila the Hun, the religious philosophy of Torquemada and the economic principles of Rupert Murdoch. See, I am really not just gay, but also reactionary!" *smile*

I think sometimes self-loathing is easier for us to 'hold' if we can transfer it to someone other than ourselves.

N~


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tekla

I think that you see more conservative trans people on the web then in real life.  Most out and about Trans organizations are liberal to left, so that leaves the web for people of a conservative cast.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Rachael

i think most conservative TS people irl just go live normal lives... and leave the campaigning to the 'campaigner type' ie, the liberal lefties...
R
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Veronica Secret

Actually, in the U.S., conservatives DON'T want to allow us to lead our lives and it's been shown that conservatives lack the ability to think in shades of gray. Everything is black and white. Am I beginning to notice a pattern here?
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Rachael

conservative transpeople are somewhat different to transphobe conservaitves :P (to some extent)
R :police:
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Ell

Quote from: Rachael on December 23, 2007, 07:23:51 AM
i think most conservative TS people irl just go live normal lives... and leave the campaigning to the 'campaigner type' ie, the liberal lefties...
R

maybe that is so in the UK. in the US, the opposite is true. Our conservatives are very Christian, for the most part, and as such, think they have the word of God that people not like them are evil, and should be eradicated. they are very political, power-hungry, and organized to the point that to ignore them is to underestimate them. 
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Rachael

no, thats not 'conservatives' thats fundimental christians... Conservatism, is simply enjoyment of the status quo, resistance to change... there are conservatives in every sphere of life...
religious conservatives
lgbt conservatives...
political conservatives
business conservatives
militery
arts
music etc
there are liberals for every conservative in any field.
stating that all 'conservatives' in the US are uber christian bible bashers is a bit fail...
R :police:
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Suzy

This conversation has sure taken a nosedive.  If you want to stereotype, then don't complain when it happens to you as well.

There are many who are conservative politically while being liberal socially.  These are very different things.  A conservative traditionally believes in less government.  A liberal traditionally believes in more government.  There wonderful promises and huge problems with both approaches.  However, it seems that most of the people I have personally met are more conservative in their outlook on government because they have become disillusioned.  However, they remain progressive on social issues.

As far as Christians thinking everyone is evil, again this is very much a stereotype.  The majority of Christians are not right-wing fundamentalists.  Today virtually every mainstream denomination has within them an ongoing discussion about these matters.  And many of the most ardent supporters of human rights are in the pews on Sundays being nourished in their convictions by pastors who have the courage to read the entire gospel of the love of Christ and act it out.  These folks are not supporters of human rights in spite of the teachings of the church, but specifically because of it.  They are not generally newsworthy, but they make up the vast majority in Christendom today.

Kristi
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Rachael

again, fail @ steriotyping...
they are religious fundamentalists... NOT '_THE_ conservatives...
there is a difference...
R :police:
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RebeccaFog

   Look everybody.  I hate to have to agree with Rachael about anything and I'm angry  >:( that you've forced me to do it, but she's right about there being a difference between the fundies and conservatives.

   We tend to overly associate the christian fundies with political conservatism here.  But John McCain is a conservative and Guilianni is a conservative even though they both are social almost human (there are doubts concerning the birth planet of guilianni).  Arnold is conservative even though he's suing the Bu$h administration over their lack of flexibility in allowing states to handle the environment under certain circumstances.

   Fundamentalists who use the conservative political structure are Gary Buarer (I don't even care if I spell his name right), the late Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson.

  The fundies are a subset of a political party that might not be so grotesque if they had the guts to dump them.

  If I have to agree with Rachael again, I'm going to personally come around and visit all of you, and not in a happy way.  So knock it off.


Rebis

* disclaimer - I am only joking about the agreeing with rachael thing.  And I am not speaking as a moderator in this post.  It is just my opinion put in a way that is meant to entertain.
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Ell

Quote from: Kristi on December 23, 2007, 10:20:10 AM
This conversation has sure taken a nosedive.  If you want to stereotype, then don't complain when it happens to you as well.

There are many who are conservative politically while being liberal socially.  These are very different things.  A conservative traditionally believes in less government.  A liberal traditionally believes in more government.  There wonderful promises and huge problems with both approaches.  However, it seems that most of the people I have personally met are more conservative in their outlook on government because they have become disillusioned.  However, they remain progressive on social issues.
As far as Christians thinking everyone is evil, again this is very much a stereotype.  The majority of Christians are not right-wing fundamentalists.  Today virtually every mainstream denomination has within them an ongoing discussion about these matters.  And many of the most ardent supporters of human rights are in the pews on Sundays being nourished in their convictions by pastors who have the courage to read the entire gospel of the love of Christ and act it out.  These folks are not supporters of human rights in spite of the teachings of the church, but specifically because of it.  They are not generally newsworthy, but they make up the vast majority in Christendom today.

Kristi

sorry if i offended you, Kristi, i know you are very religious, and i do respect you for that. however i do not respect the church at all. i, too, have a message of love -- where it's warranted.

and i am frankly appalled by the church's non-committal stand against many forms of injustice in the US. when they need you, they ask for cold hard cash, up front. if you need them, they will pray for you. thanks alot.

-ell

ps. i am on topic because Christianity (and all the other pie-in-the-sky religions) are literally myths (Creation Myths) that really need to die a quick death.
-L
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RebeccaFog

Hi Ell,

   I like to think that my church is not as cold as you paint them all as being.  Kristi is correct.  There are many many congregations that really do stand up for us.  You don't hear about them because it's not 'news' to the media machine.

  I'm not lecturing you, but I think maybe, if you can find an accepting church in your area, you should check it out.  Not to join, but to witness first hand that there really are some caring people who practice organized religion.


Rebis
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tekla

If you make common cause with some other group long enough it becomes hard to separate, that is not the viewers fault.

At root, the richest people in this country, got the poorest people in the country to support them and they both fought - and fight - against the middle majority.  And make no mistake, it was the political/financial conservatives that were masterful at politically manipulating the voters who comprise the religious-right. 

Pandering to them on their pet social control issues, making 'gay marriage' some big political deal (when its not), while the corporations were did a wholesale renovation of the government while no one was paying attention, has done great damage to this country.  And there are a lot of people who are very angry, and very hurt about it.  A lot of that anger is directed at the people who allowed to happen and who helped make it happen.  They were both complicit with each other, tough beans.

So yeah, they are going to get painted with the same brush, but them's the ones that put all that paint out there and only left one brush.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Rachael

the most religiously fanatical in the US, are the bible belt, and the poor of ameica... the rich conservatives care more about thier own pocket than gods...
R >:D
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