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Considering FFS, would like advice

Started by Bari Jo, October 15, 2017, 07:24:20 PM

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Bari Jo

Hello, I'm considering FFS and would like to know what you think I'd need to achieve the look of my Avatar.  Keep in mind the before picture was taken at 1.5 months on HRT, and I'm only at 3 months now.  Also, maybe an idea of costs.  I've got weigh cist/benefits since I won't be able to do it all.  If you think something cannot be done, let me know.  Better for me to cry about it now then have unrealistic expectations.

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Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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flytrap

You have a great face already and don't need surgery!
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Bari Jo

Quote from: flytrap on October 15, 2017, 07:50:46 PM
You have a great face already and don't need surgery!

Hah, that is too kind.  I see I need work on the brow ridge and nose at minimum.  Maybe I should wait to see what hrt can do, just want to plan for the future.  BTW, I am doing hairline restoration.  I know that needs to be done regardless.

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Laurie

Bari Jo

  I'll agree with the Trapper of Flies. IMHO  brow if anything.
April 13, 2019 switched to estradiol valerate
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Aug 26, 2017 another increase in estradiol
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May 18, 2017 started electrolysis
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Bari Jo

Thank you I've been feeling really low recently and only see the ugly man staring back.  I'm starting to see light at the end of the tunnel.  I think I'll give myself a deadline of a year, and if I still feel the need, I'll go in for the brow surgery.

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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echo7

I recommend getting a consultation from virtualffs.co.uk.  While it's not free like FaceApp is, you'll get a much more realistic picture of what you would look like and what procedures you may want to have done.

FaceApp is a fun, free toy to play with but should play no part in something as serious and expensive as facial surgery.
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Bari Jo

Thanks Echo, when I get closer to that year mark, I'll do exactly this.  I know faceapp isn't super accurate.  It's giving me some confidence which is great, for me though.  I'm the close to zero confidence girl at the moment.  Still thanks for your suggestion, that will paint a more accurate picture of what is available to me.
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Dani

The first thing I would do is get rid of that beard. Do what you have to. Electrolysis takes a lot of time.

Next, get on an anti-androgen like Finasteride to stop any further hair loss on the top and front of your head.

Then after a year of doing that, take another evaluation of your face. You have potential and hormone therapy will bring that out.
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Bari Jo

Thanks Dani, I'm on my way for that already.  I'm 20 hours in on electrolysis already, and am taking finasteride too.  Next month I get my hairline restored even.  I'm trying to make the right steps for Bari Jo to come out:)

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Anne Blake

Hi Bari Jo,

The biggest feminization improvement that I can see needed is putting a smile on your pretty face and then letting electrolysis and hrt do their magic work. Good luck, Anne
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Megan.

I agree with the others,  facial hair,  HRT,  makeup (brows etc). Give it time,  and I don't think you'll need anything.

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Colleen_definitely

I agree with the facial hair removal, it makes a way bigger difference than you might think.

Just eyeballing that one angle, maybe some orbit reduction, brow ridge reduction and a lip lift?  It's hard to tell from that one photo but I agree that you don't really need a whole lot of work and might be able to get by without any after HRT has its way with you.
As our ashes turn to dust, we shine like stars...
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Bari Jo

Quote from: Anne Blake on October 17, 2017, 03:53:30 PM
Hi Bari Jo,

The biggest feminization improvement that I can see needed is putting a smile on your pretty face and then letting electrolysis and hrt do their magic work. Good luck, Anne

Honestly that's the hardest thing for me right now.  I am starting to feel better though.  I wouldn't say I'm depressed, more defeated by the man in the mirror.  When I see a change here and there from my transition, that defeat inches toward victory.  I have so many pictures where my smile is forced, can't wait for it to be genuine again.

I hope I'm not unique in these feelings.  They are scary to admit.

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Anne Blake

Hello Bari Jo,

Please accept my apologies for speaking on things that I am ignorant of. I meant no harm and I have experienced the sort of situation that I put you in. Once again, I apologize.

Tia Anne
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Colleen_definitely

Bari Jo, you are so far from being alone there.  It's a constant battle for me as well, as for so many others like us.  Mental imprints suck and this process is far slower than I would like.

But at least for me it is getting a bit better, finally.  Hopefully you'll have a similar experience.
As our ashes turn to dust, we shine like stars...
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Bari Jo

Quote from: Anne Blake on October 17, 2017, 10:00:31 PM
Hello Bari Jo,

Please accept my apologies for speaking on things that I am ignorant of. I meant no harm and I have experienced the sort of situation that I put you in. Once again, I apologize.

Tia Anne

Oh, you are too sweet Tia Anne.  I didn't feel any I'll will in your comment.  You are correct, I need to smile more and I will hopefully in the future.

Thanks Colleen yes, it's a struggle.  Glad to hear, or really sorry to hear it's common:)

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Roll

I feel like we are going around in circles with our self image issues, each telling the others how we look great then turning around and failing to see the same in ourselves. Maybe some day we will figure it out, but for now I will join the chorus and say that there is absolutely nothing that stands out as needing to be done!

(I'm such a hypocrite on this because I have zero doubt I will be posting this identical topic in a few months. ;D)
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Bari Jo

Quote from: Roll on October 17, 2017, 11:26:46 PM
I feel like we are going around in circles with our self image issues, each telling the others how we look great then turning around and failing to see the same in ourselves. Maybe some day we will figure it out, but for now I will join the chorus and say that there is absolutely nothing that stands out as needing to be done!

(I'm such a hypocrite on this because I have zero doubt I will be posting this identical topic in a few months. ;D)

You might very well be correct.  I keep thinking everybody here is more passable than me, especially on that faceapp thread.  I kind of dread looking at it now.  Gotta get out of this funk damnit!  Can I fast forward please?

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Sophia Sage

Facial hair removal, first and foremost.  This will take a good couple of years.  Plan on $10k to $20k just for this.  Most will be electrolysis, as laser won't take out the white beard hairs and may convert a fair number of the dark ones to light ones as well.

As far as FFS goes, I tend to recommend doing it all.  Just get rid of all the dysphoric tells.  For you, priority should be on forehead, orbits, and nose.  Then, an upper lip lift and trachea shave.  But given all that, you might as well do chin and jaw remodeling as well.  Prices range from $20k to $60k, depending on the surgeon and country.  Add another $5k to $10k if a face lift is in order.  Wait on hair transplants until after FFS, both to take advantage of any HRT gains and so that you can use the transplants to camouflage any scars.

All of this is no good without retraining your voice.  That too can take 6 to 12 months, but you've got time because of electrolysis.  Practice, experiment, and practice!

What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Bari Jo

Quote from: Sophia Sage on October 18, 2017, 10:03:28 AM
Facial hair removal, first and foremost.  This will take a good couple of years.  Plan on $10k to $20k just for this.  Most will be electrolysis, as laser won't take out the white beard hairs and may convert a fair number of the dark ones to light ones as well.

As far as FFS goes, I tend to recommend doing it all.  Just get rid of all the dysphoric tells.  For you, priority should be on forehead, orbits, and nose.  Then, an upper lip lift and trachea shave.  But given all that, you might as well do chin and jaw remodeling as well.  Prices range from $20k to $60k, depending on the surgeon and country.  Add another $5k to $10k if a face lift is in order.  Wait on hair transplants until after FFS, both to take advantage of any HRT gains and so that you can use the transplants to camouflage any scars.

All of this is no good without retraining your voice.  That too can take 6 to 12 months, but you've got time because of electrolysis.  Practice, experiment, and practice!

Thanks Sophia.  I won't be able to do all that, I'll have to pick and choose which to do, and if I can combine them to save money.  I love your idea to do it all, and I would if I could, but I'm being realistic.  I am getting the hair transplants end of next month.  The areas it's targeting are areas I won't get any hrt regrowth.  Yup electrolysis takes a while, but I'm doing it.

Good point on voice training.  I'll start that this weekend.

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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