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Started by Another Nikki, October 17, 2017, 01:08:55 AM

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Another Nikki

In the spirit of Moni's infrequent poster thread, i though i would throw this out there...

I'm mid 40's.  I cd'd starting around 5.  I got caught and got better at hiding it.  I have clear memories of wanting to be a girl when i was 10 or 11.  I remember reading Are You There God, it's me Margaret, and sooooo wishing I was Margaret, including wishing I could have period like her. 

I also got REALLY good at surpressing mannerisms, speech, gestures, etc., that i thought would out me as a T whatever.  I wanted to fit in as a boy.

Once i got out of high school I slowly moved towards fully presenting female in secret.  I met my now wife and she helped with buying clothes and makeup, but a moment of truth happened along the way and she kinda freaked.  being madly in love, i put everything in the mental closet except lingerie for sexy time for 25 years.

I caught glimpses and stories of people transitioning, and daydreamed of it, but quickly changed the mental subject- maybe because it scared me, but mostly because i was in denial.  Lots of fantasies about being female bodied.  When my mind would go there, i would freak and change the subject.  And massive shame about it all.  I snuck around the library in college trying to find books about transsexuals like Jorgensen.  And paranoia someone would find out, I would be outed.  I stayed really really busy.  college, grad school, family, career, hobbies, project homes, etc.

About 2 years ago i said the hell with paranoia over my internet search history.  One thing led to another and i found myself reading stories about trans people.  And with a sick feeling in my stomach, I admitted to myself I was trans something.  I told my wife, to whom i confided about cd'ing 25 years earlier.  I fit about 80% of anne vitale's group 3.

Since then the big self reveal a couple years ago, the GD has started.  I call it the ever present background noise.  Trans is always on my mind.  Always.  Sometimes i get melancholy and feel like i need to transition immediately or i'm gonna lose my s.  Other times i'm thinking about it and i'm kinda meh, like what the hell is wrong with me.  Sometimes i wish i could go back two years and be a bedroom cd'er.  Except i don't have any desire to be a bedroom cd'er.  And having been to a couple tg events and read enough threads by cd'er, i know, i'm not a cd.  though it would be easier.

What I think I really want is to live life as a woman.  To interact with the world as a woman.  To be in relationship with the people i care about as a woman.  To spend all aspects of my life with my wife(nice rhyme!) as a woman.  To go to Costco as a woman.  To go to a party and naturally
associate with the women and not be the guy that's hanging out with the women.  I could go on ad nauseum.  I would gladly trade all male privilege for the opportunity to do so.

But the problem for me is twofold:  I'm unable to convince myself that I have a woman's brain, but I'm wrong bodied.  I'm definitely not wired like a stereotypical guy, but to say "I'm a woman", is a leap I can't make yet.  I'd like to, but i swore off self deception.

2.  I feel like a fraud.  My gut tells me "honey, you're brain is about as trans as they come, short of a 5 year old male bodied boy that declares she's a girl".   But intellectually i can't seem to get there.  Maybe it's internalized transphobia- i worked through a bunch of that this summer.  Maybe it's fear of transition- of taking steps that may or may not be reversible and life changing.  My personality is fairly conservative- i'm a toe in the water person, not a jump off the diving board.  Perhaps it's a fear of change and letting go of male.  I was mediocre at it, but i tried really hard for a long time.

I don't know that there's a question...maybe just a reflection of where i'm at, and wondering who else has been at a similar point during their journey.  I have come out to a few people, and i don't seem to be too hung up about that.

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Alex81

Both of your problems sound exactly like mine. I haven't overcome them (been sooooo busy with work lately) and havent taken **any** steps toward any kind of transition.

Sorry, I know I'm not much help.
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KathyLauren

I can relate.  I felt all those things.  I have a little difficulty thinking of myself as a woman, even though I transitioned socially seven months ago, and I am now living full-time as a woman.  I am just me, the same me I have always been.  "Man" or "woman" are just boxes that other people put me in.

I know that I am not a man, even though I pretended to be one for years.  I just answered an online survey yesterday, where I was happy to have the option to answer "trans-woman" for the gender demographic question.  I, too, have hesitation about identifying myself as a woman, though gradually that hesitation is decreasing.  Trans-woman is as close as I am comfortable with for now.

I could not afford to be a "toe in the water" person.  At 63 years old, I have already lived at least 2/3 of my life.  I need to make this transition happen as quickly as I can so I can enjoy the time I have remaining.  So I guess I just powered through the doubts.  Held my nose and jumped of the high platform.

So here I am, living as a woman.  I enjoy not having to pretend to be a man.  At a social function, I can hang out with the other women and ignore the men's end of the table.  I have learned not to worry about my identity.  What matters is how people treat me.  So far, I am batting 1000 or getting treated well.
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Anne Blake

It is a tough spot that you find yourself in. You mentioned that you told your wife about your feelings but I did not notice you mentioning how supportive she is at this time. I, like Kathy, am older and have jumped into being the woman that I am. Intellectually I could argue whether I can actually be a woman but that is beside the point. I live every moment as a woman and I am taken as a woman so that sort of passes the test for me. I realize that transitioning has not "Fixed" all of life's issues, but at this point in life, I really prefer to address the remaining issues from the woman's side of the equation.....and I am oh so much happier doing it that way. Best of luck to you and your partner.
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Another Nikki

My wife is very supportive.  We both believe she would be if I transitioned.  It's really helped that i didn't drop the bombshell and then suddenly make changes.  My GD isn't incapacitating, so I've been able to slowly explore, which has given her time to adjust.  We agreed I'm not going to be out locally until our kids are older and hopefully better equipped to deal with peer pressure from
having a weird parent.

One of the things i'm worried about is my gut feeling that I'm TS, that I had those feelings off and on my whole life, and for the past couple years they've been demanding attention.  And because I think i'm probably TS, i engage in confirmation bias when reading online, which would falsely reinforce the idea i'm TS and need to transition.

my thinking at this point is to start laser facial hair removal while most of it is still dark, and start working with a gender counselor who will guide me to the tough questions so i can figure out where i truly fit.  Concurrently i plan to continue to attend the tg support group.  i went to a big social event a couple weeks ago, and it was AMAZING to set nikki free for a few hours. then maybe in a year or so, depending on the outcome with the counselor, hrt.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Another Nikki

@kathy-  in my ideal world i would transition yesterday, but for a variety of reasons, i'm
not.  i'm happy for you you are!!
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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NikkiB51

Hi, from one Nikki to another.  I know your pain.  I am in my fifties with two "young" children.  My wife is supportive, but does not want the kids to know.  I feel a clock ticking inside me that keeps getting louder.  I am finally meeting with a doctor in January to start hormone therapy.  I am going to start on a "low dose" plan and see how that works for me psychologically.  At this time, I want to minimize the physical as I can't change jobs.  Being a teacher, transitioning in place is not a good idea.

I am ten years from retirement, but working to get a certification to become a therapist.  Obviously, I will work with lgbtqia populations.  If that becomes more lucrative than my current job, then I can change careers.  My wife is very adamant about physical changes.  She is just to the point that she will grudgingly let me shave my body, with the caveat that if she doesn't like it, I grow it back.

Anyway, welcome Nikki.  I hope that you find yourself sooner than I did.  I was able to suppress it for years.  I know I am not a crossdreser.  I have known in the back of my head for most of my life who I really am, but it wasn't until I had to reflect heavily during my grad studies that I truly realized it.  I did the masculine things.  Played sports, joined the military, got married (twice), had kids (twice again).  All in an effort to block who I really was.  That if I lived up to some imaginary measuring stick, then I would be okay.  I was only fooling myself and now I have regrets that I should have started at your age.  It doesn't go away, you can't suppress it forever and it comes back stronger later on.  She may be temporarily silenced, but she will not be ignored.  She will eventually hijack your brain at every moment that you are not actively using it.  Then the anger, frustration, depression make you someone even your family doesn't want around.  To the point where you are alienating even your most ardent supporters and hurting those around you so that you can feel better in your own pain.

Sorry....I was having a stream of consciousness moment.  Please, take it for what you will and ymmv.  Good luck however you decide to proceed.  Get the beard done though....nothing like rarely needing to shave, lol.
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RachClayburn

Quote from: Another Nikki on October 17, 2017, 01:08:55 AM

2.  I feel like a fraud.  My gut tells me "honey, you're brain is about as trans as they come, short of a 5 year old male bodied boy that declares she's a girl".   But intellectually i can't seem to get there.  Maybe it's internalized transphobia- i worked through a bunch of that this summer.  Maybe it's fear of transition- of taking steps that may or may not be reversible and life changing.  My personality is fairly conservative- i'm a toe in the water person, not a jump off the diving board.  Perhaps it's a fear of change and letting go of male.  I was mediocre at it, but i tried really hard for a long time.

I don't know that there's a question...maybe just a reflection of where i'm at, and wondering who else has been at a similar point during their journey.  I have come out to a few people, and i don't seem to be too hung up about that.

Honestly, I know that many of my personal issues with where to go and how to proceed are internalized transphobia. It helps that I have worked closely with two trans women in my current and former employment. Seeing them flourish, and be beautiful shining gifts to the world helps me know that it can be fine, if I choose any of these paths. I'm not at all conservative, and I am sometimes a little too extroverted and jump into things without giving due consideration, usually, but getting this right for my needs, at a pace that won't make me freak out and self-harm, or other destructive behavior, is important. I really tried to be male for a long time, as well. I wasn't good at it either, and part of me feels like I should have more to show for my efforts, maybe? 

Anyway, sorry, sort of rambled there, but just wanted to let you know that I too have these thoughts of "why bother", or "is this really worth it?". I purposely didn't bother for a very long time, and that made me much more miserable, and destroyed more relationships than these current (and mostly temporary) feelings of doubt make me feel now.  I hope you find that happy place for yourself in all of this.
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Dena

I think there are two ways to decide when it's time to transition. The first way is the way I did it and I don't recommend it. They say an alcoholic won't quit until they hit bottom and that pretty much describes what happened to me. I delayed coming out until I was through school but one day it hit me all at once and I was luck to survive it.

The other smarter way to do it is to transition before that point. I can understand some delay before transitioning in order to get your affairs in order but hair removal and other tasks can be addressed while waiting. This should  avoid the bottom and if needed, you can start the public part of the transition quickly.

The fact that you are on this site indicates you are past to point of pushing it into the background and the sooner you address it, the less discomfort you will experience.
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Another Nikki

Dena, I agree with you regarding being here.

I think I'm going to turn this thread into my progress journal, similar to what others have done.  And with that....

Today I made an appointment for laser hair removal on my face and neck.  Soonest they could get me in was end of November.  Basically the first appointment is a consult, and if you agree to move forward, they zap you that day.  I'm really looking forward to it; no apprehension at all.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Another Nikki

this evening i went to walmart to buy some inexpensive* glasses for nikki.  the mid 50's female optician asked me if i needed help.  I politely told her i was looking for the moment.  i started looking at the women's frames and she said "men's frames will fit better".  I said "ok" and kept looking.  She then decided to hover about 6 feet behind me watching me in her periphery, which annoyed the crap out of me, so i really took my time looking at the women's frames.

I found a pair i liked, semi cat eye with black and purple.  i brought them up to her and she said "you want frames with purple in them?!? " in a disapproving tone.  So I smiled at her and said "yes, is that okay?"  She looked away with slightly raised eyebrows and clicked something on her computer. 

we then went to the desk where she did the measurements and went over lens options.  by then she mellowed out and tried to make small talk about my pupil distance being symmetric :p

I live in northern california.  i was actually kinda surprised.  i've never gotten any friction buying girl stuff before.  maybe some silent ackwardness years ago, but nothing recently.  i bought some shoes at payless a couple years ago and the 50 something guy who rang me up make a lighthearted joke about them being cute, even in my size.

Anyhoo, upward and onward.


*they ended up kinda expensive.  i should have used one of the online places but i have a big head and didn't want to roll the dice and have them not fit.  next time i think i'll go online.  the other part of it though is i'm trying to push myself into discomfort.  If i'm really thinking about transitioning, then i sure better be able to select and buy women's style glasses at the el walmarto.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Megan.

Sorry that salesperson gave you grief [emoji853]. I had a very similar experience. It wasn't disapproval in my case; the person just pointed out that I had selected womens frames, I simply agreed that yes they were. And then picking them up the next day,  another staff member commented on the 'bold'  colour choice haha.

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Another Nikki

A lot has happened.  Sorry this is gonna be long, but I'm a strong believer in paragraphs, so maybe that will help.

I usually take the week of Thanksgiving off.  We go to the SF  bay area to visit family, some of whom also travel to get there.  I had been exchanging messages with an imaginary internet friend from another forum about going out amongst the muggles, and this seemed like the perfect time to make it happen.  She started her slow journey about 10 years ago and had become THE wingwoman for getting a bunch of crossdressers and TS' out.

So I told family I was going out with a friend, my sister left a key to her place hidden under the mat(she lives alone), and I went to her place and got pretty.  My friend picked me up and we went went out to a straight wine bar, then to a PACKED Italian restaurant.  Nothing happened other than a few smirks from some ass sitting at the adjoining table.  It was amazing, liberating and confirming.  I had been out in public, but just passing through a lobby, or driving, or in a gayborhood.

After Thanksgiving dinner we were sitting around talking and drinking wine.  My uncle and I are close in age and more like brothers.  He said they were thinking of baptizing their son and they wanted me to be godfather.  My face kinda twisted up and I said we should probably talk first.  He got really worried and insisted we go for a walk.  I started the conversation with "you're gonna think I'm f'ing with you, but I swear I'm not.  I'm transgender.  When I went out last night it was with a friend, but it was presenting as a woman, and I think there's likely to be some changes."

I've got to say, it went really well.  He was supportive, as was his wife.  They watched Transparent so they were familiar with the basics. 

Of course for the following few weeks I was super angsty afterwards, but what a week!
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Another Nikki

Around the same timeframe, November/December, my emotions were all over and I was cycling through anxiety and depression, all related to GD.  I was also trying to figure out where I fit and what my label was.  So I started seeing a very well known gender therapist.  It was a two hour drive each way, but it was worth it.  She said what I was experiencing was gender dysphoria, and from her experience someone with my gender issue background is likely to have to make changes to get peace.  she doesn't tell someone they need to transition, but i wonder if that's what she was thinking.  she asked if i had thought about hormones, and i said i wasn't ready.  I havent gone back to her since december because of the cost and drive, and I'm in a better spot right now.  Plus I have Kaiser and they have their own therapist for a $15 co-pay.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Another Nikki

In december the support group had their annual holiday party and my wife decided she wanted to go check it out.  It's held in a banquet room of a decent sized hotel.  I shaved and showered, got dressed, put a sweatshirt over my girl top since i'm not out to my kids, and she drove so I could do my makeup on the way.  Then off we went inside. 

The support group is awesome in a couple ways, but one of the things I really appreciate is there is no discrimination regarding where you are on the spectrum.  If you're a CD that likes to dress sexy and don't consider yourself trans, you're welcome.  and if you're transitioning and plan to go stealth, you're also welcome.  Big tent, which is helping me get past my own transphobia.

Anyway, my wife did pretty well!  She is a fairly reserved person, though open minded.  But she hasn't really had any exposure to lgbt peeps other than an occasional gay or lesbian friend or co-worker.  Well, and me.  But she sure did that night!

I also met another person on a similar path and we agreed to get together later.

And so her feedback overall was it was a good experience for her.  She felt like I was the same person, though the packaging was different.  It also gave her a comfort level about me going to these events...there's nothing freaky going on.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Another Nikki

In either January or February I went to a support group girls night out- drinks and dinner in the hotel restaurant, then out to the gayborhood for cocktails.  totally uneventul.  the uber drivers don't care and no one gives rip to see a group of trans women walking in the gayborhood.
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Then in late Feb or March I was eating lunch with 3 women in the break room at work.  I was friends with two of them, we've gone out as couples outside of work(they are in a relationship).  And i got really dysphoric....I should have been just another one of the girls eating lunch, talking about topics that women talk about and in that different dynamic when it's women only.  And this put me in a really deep funk.  About halfway through the next day, after asking me a few times if I was ok, she asked me to meet up with her away from the office.  And so I came out to her, and later that day her partner.  And they were both amazing, and have become my closest friends ever.  I'm actually tearing up as I write this.

And being out with them has allowed me to slowly be myself around them, and then with my wife and sister.  My friend told me yesterday she and her partner can see me changing in front of them, that I'm letting go, and it's beautiful.

"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Another Nikki

In december I bought a groupon for laser hair removal for my face.  I had no reservations about losing the ability to grow a beard forever.  I just want it gone.  I'm 4 treatments in and starting to see the thinning.  I'm going to purchase another 6 for my face, and have my legs done as well.

In March I decided Minoxidil wasn't haven't much effect on restarting hair growth at my temples.  I'm a little freaked about losing my hair- I'm pretty active and would like to avoid wigs when I go full time if I can.  So I emailed my doctor for an rx for propecia.  it's cheap at costco btw.  starting to see some regrowth.

I was in a funk again a couple weeks ago on vacation.  I'm getting to the point where I'm sick of the emotional cycling and I'm sick of the background noise of gender all the time.  I would like to read a book with out my mind wandering off after 2 minutes to gender, and I'd like to be able to go to Target without feeling like I should be one of the other women in store just going about their lives.

So I made an appointment with Kaiser.  Their first step for trans related care with kaiser is to see a therapist.  It felt weird but affirming in the intake appointment to chat away about whatever, but when asked if I had seen anyone previously to say "yes, a gender therapist" and "gender dysphoria" as a diagnosis. 

I'm in the system now, I can't unring the bell.  And I'm good with it.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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BlueJaye

I can really identify with your "background noise" description of constant gender dysphoria. I just started HRT a few days ago and already have experienced a noticeable reduction in the volume of the "background noise".

The improvement, even in just a few days on a low dosage, has made me reconsider just how fast and how far I need to go with transitioning. Feeling better due to better hormone balance has really taken the edge off of my gender dysphoria. It's still there, but the feelings are not as strong. My big triggers, like erections, still bother me but not as bad. And, fortunately, as the Spiro takes greater effect, that shouldn't be happening nearly as often (or hopefully not at all eventually).

I hope you're doing well and experiencing improvement. Was the appointment with Kaiser because things didn't work out back in January when you planned on starting low dose HRT? If you haven't started HRT yet, I really hope you have a great experience. Keep us posted. Lots of us on here like encouraging and helping our fellow transgender people. It's good to be connected as a community.
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Another Nikki

The appointment at Kaiser is to get into the system for trans related care.  I'm going to need some electrolysis for white facial hairs.  I'd like to try low dose estrogen for the reasons you listed above- if it reduced the dysphoria so I can manage living part time for a few more years, that would be ideal.  I'm also going to need ffs at some point- looking in the mirror and seeing a guy bothers me.

My issues are around experiencing the world as a woman in my daily life and  social interaction.  I don't really have genital dysphoria, and my wife and are intimate.   Not having breasts is an issue for sure.
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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Another Nikki

#19
Oh and I'm pretty much past the shame and hurdle.  I'm transgender, a transwoman, and there's nothing wrong with that.  I need the pm a mod to change the thread title.

< Changed thread title from "My Major Hurdle" to "Wandering down gender road" >
"What you know, you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life—that there is something wrong. You don't know what it is, but it's there like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."
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