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Did you overcompensate AFTER transition?

Started by PurpleWolf, December 11, 2017, 11:39:00 PM

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PurpleWolf


At the beginning of your transition, did you used to 'overcompensate', meaning did you try to desperately fit into some 'role' in your new gender? Like, if you are a woman, did you try to present as feminine as possible & vice versa?

Has this changed later on? Are you now more comfortable just being yourself & more relaxed about 'gender norms'?

Or was this something like a necessity for you? To finally be able to fully express your femininity/masculinity to the extreme  :D?

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I can't really answer that myself, I'm afraid... The only thing that comes close is that... when I used to pass (or at least was hoping to) that created some pressure to 'act' male enough or... something like that. Like I was afraid to be perceived as female & maybe avoided certain things so-called 'too feminine'.

Now I just try to be myself as much as possible  :D! And not care about such things!!! Life is too short to restrain yourself!

I'm only hoping that doesn't come back once I start T & passing. I'd like to comfortably be just myself then too.
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sarah1972

Yes, i did overcompensate. Actually even before admitting to myself I am trans and then up to about 3 month on hormones. I went through what I call a "slutty phase"... way to short and tight dresses and skirt, thigh high boots with 5 inch heels, 7 inch platform heels... you name it, I did it. Stuff I may have gotten away in my 20's.

After admitting I am trans that started to change and it took a while to find my style.

It significantly calmed down after starting hormones. I simply did not have the urge anymore since my hormones where finally correct.

Most days - working home office - I go for a soccer mom look. I try to take queues from cis neighbors my age and adapt.

When going out I still overdress. Trying to give more than enough female hints to overplay the things which have not yet changed. Right now my big thing are sweater dresses and either leggings or opaque tights.

But then I have also been seen in yoga pants and flats...

I start to have a certain style which is still feminine but elegant and age appropriate. I think with more runtime on hormones my style will change again.

There are also days where I want to have both options and usually women's jeans and sneakers allow me to go either way. People are wondering but I do not get in trouble when I don't have toe courage to go into the ladies room. And that still happens a lot...

In a nutshell: massive overcompensation before even admitting and early on, and even now some light overcompensating to hide the fact I am trans...

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Alanna1990

Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 11, 2017, 11:39:00 PM
At the beginning of your transition, did you used to 'overcompensate', meaning did you try to desperately fit into some 'role' in your new gender? Like, if you are a woman, did you try to present as feminine as possible & vice versa?

Has this changed later on? Are you now more comfortable just being yourself & more relaxed about 'gender norms'?

Or was this something like a necessity for you? To finally be able to fully express your femininity/masculinity to the extreme  :D?

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I can't really answer that myself, I'm afraid... The only thing that comes close is that... when I used to pass (or at least was hoping to) that created some pressure to 'act' male enough or... something like that. Like I was afraid to be perceived as female & maybe avoided certain things so-called 'too feminine'.

Now I just try to be myself as much as possible  :D! And not care about such things!!! Life is too short to restrain yourself!

I'm only hoping that doesn't come back once I start T & passing. I'd like to comfortably be just myself then too.

mmm not that I know of... my voice was the last thing to change for me, so I was usually this cute girl with a man voice, it felt pretty bad, but one day I finally learned and I can be just myself and everybody treats me as a girl, good times.
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natalie.ashlyne

I was basically similar to Sarah1972

Yes I did and still do over compensate, I had 8 pairs of high heels any were from 5 inch platform to 8 inch platforms. I could walk better than most cis female in them, but I realize now it draws unwanted attention to me, I have skirts that would barely cover my bum cheeks jean skirts school girl uniform basically yes a " Slutty phase "  I love that term. Now I over compensate with colours as well as will not by anything that could be taken as male, It must be girly colours or styles. Yes I am still working on my voice. I also never go out with out full make up on no matter how long it takes   
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Elis

I wouldn't say over compensate exactly. More trying desperately to pass so I can feel comfortable within myself and not feel that excruciating pain of dysphoria. So I cut my hair into an undercut and wore quite masculine male clothes. I also tried to keep my fem mannerisms under control and kid myself I was simply ftm.  Yeah thank god that's over with; what was I thinking  ::)
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RobynD

If anything i slightly under compensated. My style has slowly expanded beyond "tomboy/urban". (hey i wore dresses like 3 times last week!). Other norms i was not really that concerned about. In part, because things like "loving sports" are so gender stereotypical.

I love fashion, but feminine fashion is a wide band of possibilities. I have continued to get voice coaching and work on my voice but i don't think it is over the top in any way. Body language and mannerisms are about the same as voice, i've made an effort to change, but i don't dwell on it a lot. I'm treated as my true gender.



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Kylo

No.

I've learned my lesson about trying to be something you're not. It just means keeping up an unnatural pretence once you start down that road and unless you have superhuman staying power someday it's going to catch up with you.

No, I just try to follow my natural inclinations and behaviors as much as possible. No matter how much I might want to be somebody else, the fact is I'm not and transition is supposed to be about finding your real self, isn't it.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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yayo

I definitely used to years ago. Not as bad as some, but I thought being a woman meant something that I realized it didn't. Then the years passed, I started actually living and having experiences as female.

Now I feel comfortable putting my hair up and not wearing makeup and bumming around in my sweats and what not. I still like makeup and doing my hair and stuff, but I don't feel like I need it. It all comes naturally 5 years in.
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Miharu Barbie

Nope, overcompensating feminine behaviors was never an option for me. When I transitioned 20 years ago, I had a core group of 3 best girlfriends who took me under their wing. We hiked the Santa Monica Mountains together, shopped together, meals, movies, etc. Believe me, these 3 women were strong professionals who were not about to allow me to perpetuate feminine stereotypes. They helped me discover my own style and called me out immediately if I lost my fashion mojo. Two years after transition, when I moved from LA to Portland, I was well schooled and prepared to own my own style as a busy accounting professional and maturing punk rock girl.

Those 3 women blessed my transition and my life. I love them so!

Love,
Miharu
FEAR IS NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!


HRT:                         June 1998
Full Time For Good:     November 1998
Never Looking Back:  Now!
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Sophia Sage

Gender assignments are made based on our bodies and the presentation thereof. 

When we first transition, our bodies don't elicit the gendering we want, so we have to compensate with cultural cues -- how we present ourselves.  It's very easy, if not necessary, to overcompensate early on, because that's the most effective way to get what we want (assuming what you really want is to be gendered differently than before). 

After all my surgeries were done, I realized I didn't need to compensate anymore.  Going out with no makeup, in sweats?  No problem!  :)
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Julia1996

I did in the beginning. I made sure my hair and makeup were perfect and that I was dressed very well before I left my house. I did have some really short skirts and some suggestive outfits but I never made it out of the house in those. My dad or my brother always caught me and made me change.😤  Other women were kind of hostile towards me when I would go to Walmart or the grocery store all dressed up with perfect makeup. I didn't get outed but their attitude was like " look at her. Who does she think she is?!"  Once I started dressing more casually and wearing less makeup I noticed other women were much more friendly and relaxed towards me. I think a lot of cis women think a woman who is dressed very well with perfect makeup in a casual environment is trying to make other women look bad and show them up and they DO get hostile over it.
Julia


Born 1998
Started hrt 2015
SRS done 5/21/2018
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Ryuichi13

I might be overcompensating now. 

I'm starting to do something I NEVER used to do.  Say things like "that's girly/female/feminine."  Of course its all in my mind to myself, but it makes me feel somewhat bad that I'm even doing so to myself. 

I need to get away from gendering people/things/actions and back to myself.

Ryuichi


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November Fox

No, but I did overcompensate before transition. I'd stand in an exaggerated male way, speak in an exaggerated male way and pretended to be a harcore cookie in general.

Hormones and transitioning have rendered those things uneccesary. Thank God because it takes up a lot of energy.

I still do cliché things, but usually I'm seriously into it or just horsing around. Making yourself look ridiculous is part of being a guy (for some).

Edited to add: cisguys overcompensate too. A friend of mine said he did all this when he was a teenager. Puberty tends to make us blow our identity out of proportion.
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MeTony

I don't think I do. Not consiously. I am just myself. Don't care much what others think. Spreading, standing and walking "like a guy" is my natural mannerism. I've always done that and have gotten comments about it since childhood.

I'm in middle of it all. Have just started my transition. Or something.
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Kylo

QuoteHas this changed later on? Are you now more comfortable just being yourself & more relaxed about 'gender norms'?

Y'know I've never been all that bothered about gender norms. I just view everything through the lens of how people interact with me. It's not until recently I've seen how prevalent and instinctive gendered behavior often is, and futile to expect the human species to try to change something that's biologically driven with a sociology lecture... people are what they are, if I'm not a walking example of that to myself and others I don't know what is.

But anyway, I'm actually more aware of gender norms than before since drama group and that expects me to "act male", and for the vast part I do without much effort. Assertiveness is in my character, even when it was being crushed by all kinds of things when I was a kid, it would find some other way to manifest itself if it couldn't come out through open defiance or aggression. The main way it did was through the attitude of accepting I was different, possibly a freak among the other kids, owning it and wearing it like it was all mine. I don't feel freakish any more, but the massive advantage to that is how it trained me to not give a damn about needing everyone's approval. So it follows that now I'm read up on gender norms, also don't worry all that much about whether I'm conforming so carefully to them. I figure out what the social rules are and make sure not to overstep them if I don't want to cause myself unnecessary trouble, but I don't particularly respect "rules." There's my rules, which are important, and there's everyone else's bare minimum rules for social survival, and well... that's whatever it is, but it sure isn't the most important thing to me. Far as I'm concerned, one of the main masculine traits is going your own way and making your own rules rather than putting up and shutting up for the sake of a quiet life. Active overcompensation equates to conformity in my book, to being a slave to a bunch of ideas just because everyone else is. Excessive masculine posturing and policing is just another social trap, and men have been happily wearing the yoke and conforming since the year dot.

So compensation is most useless to me. I only have to compensate slightly for my physical deficiencies in maleness (for now); and other people are playing a different game to me for the most part, with different concerns. I'm not worried about getting a girlfriend or if women find me "manly enough" or not. Not bothered if other men think I am either. If they want to find out they can bring it on. Belonging to a group I can do, but I've always been my personal army of one, and it's great having pals but I don't require them to the point of needing them so badly I'll jump through any hoop and mould myself into what they want. I can play the games needed to get them but at the end of the day, the need for other people just isn't dire enough to make me act outside of my own comfort zone.

I'm interested in my career, personal fulfillment and growth. I'm at the mid point in life so I guess transition has literally been my mid life crisis, haha. Anyway, it's a new start from here and about all I'm concerned with is maintaining the current level of physical masculinity medically and fitness wise to avoid unnecessary social/health issues, and playing around in my new role a bit. What's the point if you can't have some fun with it, anyway?   
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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PurpleWolf

Quote from: Julia1996 on March 20, 2018, 09:06:50 AM
Other women were kind of hostile towards me when I would go to Walmart or the grocery store all dressed up with perfect makeup. I didn't get outed but their attitude was like " look at her. Who does she think she is?!"  Once I started dressing more casually and wearing less makeup I noticed other women were much more friendly and relaxed towards me. I think a lot of cis women think a woman who is dressed very well with perfect makeup in a casual environment is trying to make other women look bad and show them up and they DO get hostile over it.
Yeah, that's true. Cis women are very jealous of other women, especially the ones they regard as 'more beautiful' and especially in situations (like in Walmart) where they think everyone's not expected to be! Very shallow imo....... Really don't get it to be honest  ;D! What does it matter if someone wants to wear makeup etc. and you don't?! An indication of bad self-esteem imo...! If you let things like how others dress have an effect on you.
!!!REBIRTH=legal name change on Feb 16th 2018!!!
This is where life begins for me. It's a miracle I finally got it done.


My body is the home of my soul; not the other way around.

I'm more than anything an individual; I'm too complex to be put in any box.

- A social butterfly not living in social isolation anymore  ;D -
(Highly approachable but difficult to grasp)


The past is overrated - why stick with it when you are able to recreate yourself every day
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SeptagonScars

At the beginning of your transition, did you used to 'overcompensate', meaning did you try to desperately fit into some 'role' in your new gender? Like, if you are a woman, did you try to present as feminine as possible & vice versa?
- Somewhat. I did try very hard to make my mannerisms more masculine, and made my style as masculine as I could bear, but still kept my hair long and stayed kinda goth.

Has this changed later on? Are you now more comfortable just being yourself & more relaxed about 'gender norms'?
- Yeah, definitely. I don't try to change my mannerisms anymore and am much more relaxed about how I come off to others in social situations. My style is more masculine though, but because I want to and genuinely feel like it. Like with having a beard, wear more blazers and button-ups, and rarely ever wear makeup.

Or was this something like a necessity for you? To finally be able to fully express your femininity/masculinity to the extreme  :D?
- I felt it was necessary at the time to get respect from others and for the gender clinic to take me seriously. I cared more about that than passing. My natural gender expression has always been more or less androgynous, just like my personality. But I've felt more masculine lately.
Mar. 2009 - came out as ftm
Nov. 2009 - changed my name to John
Mar. 2010 - diagnosed with GID
Aug. 2010 - started T, then stopped after 1 year
Aug. 2013 - started T again, kept taking it since
Mar. 2014 - top surgery
Dec. 2014 - legal gender marker changed to male
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Jul. 2018 - came out as cis woman and began detransition
Sep. 2018 - stopped taking T and changed my name to Laura
Oct. 2018 - got new ID-card

Medical Detransition plans: breast reconstruction surgery, change legal gender back to female.
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