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Started by BT04, December 20, 2017, 12:17:19 PM

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BT04

Just curious if anyone has any information or anecdotes about a potential link between the two, thoughts on the possibility that PCOS could be a kind of mild intersex condition, or anything else.

Earlier I was thinking about my natural T levels, and how my husband has said that since going off birth control several years ago I started smelling like a guy - my baseline body odor, my sweat, even my urine all smelled stronger to him. (A jarring turn-off for him and a source of embarrassment for me at the time.) He has a very sensitive nose while I can't smell very much at all, so the implications of this interest me. I have other indicators of elevated T levels: more body hair, acne around the jaw and chin that appears around ovulation - pretty sure the timing corresponded pre-hysto at any rate - and a few other things. My lower-than-average voice might be an effect, or it might be just the fact that I socialized as a guy through my childhood and teenage years and unconsciously trained my voice lower.

Any guys here deal with PCOS before transitioning or have some useful links about this? I was glancing at some studies but they all seemed to be about the effects of HRT on the ovaries AFTER the fact, not the rate of previously-diagnosed PCOS among transmen.
- Seth

Ex-nonbinary trans man, married to a straight guy, still in love. Pre-T, pre-op.
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WolfNightV4X1

Not me, but Ive noticed a lot of guys mention they do have it, Ive seen that connection, too.
It makes sense, considering it's a hormone imbalance with masculine traits and is an easy contributor to being trans.

However, a lot of women still have it and they aren't transgender. Just like a lot of men have gynecomastia or a hormone imbalance where they need to take T because puberty didnt hit properly. Really it isn't an indicator on it's own, so there are other fsctors at play, my best guess is those factors are easily neurological in addition to any hormone imbalances, it adds to the misalignment in gender.


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DawnOday

Both the ladies that do my electrology have PCOS and they are very much female. It is why they are so concerned on doing a good job and charge less than others in the area. Nanci and Kristen are two of the nicest ladies you will ever meet. I love em. And they do a great job.
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mm

PCOS is common for many ftm's and many cis women as well.  Some of the effects of PCOS are most welcome by the guys, the pain isn't for  sure.
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Dex

I did have severe PCOS (and endometriosis) prior to transition/hysterectomy. My doc did say that FTMs have a higher incidence of PCOS but, as others have said, plenty of women have PCOS and are not trans. However, I do think there are proportionately higher numbers of FTMs who have PCOS vs the general population that does not identify as trans. Whether that's an indication of anything, I don't know.
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BT04

Quote from: Dex on December 20, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
I did have severe PCOS (and endometriosis) prior to transition/hysterectomy. My doc did say that FTMs have a higher incidence of PCOS but, as others have said, plenty of women have PCOS and are not trans. However, I do think there are proportionately higher numbers of FTMs who have PCOS vs the general population that does not identify as trans. Whether that's an indication of anything, I don't know.

I know there's a correlation, not causation. Was just wondering if anyone had any further info on the correlatives, though. Because I'm a nerd and I like learning stuff.

Interesting to know that your doc did say that the links were well-known!
- Seth

Ex-nonbinary trans man, married to a straight guy, still in love. Pre-T, pre-op.
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HughE

This study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17166864

found a very high incidence of PCOS and hyperandrogenism in FTMs prior to commencement of HRT. It makes sense that the two would be linked, because you get a male brain through exposure to high levels of androgens during your prenatal development, and in the laboratory, exposure to external androgens during prenatal development can induce a PCOS-like syndrome in animals, e.g.

https://academic.oup.com/humupd/article/11/4/357/874989
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