How important is function for depth

[Bari Jo]

Hello, I've always thought I wouldn't need to get bottom surgery, but the longer I'm on hrt, I'm not so sure.  In group one of the older girls mentioned I have to keep function of my thingie so it can be used for bottom surgery.  I do?  I hadn't even tried to use it in months.  So I went home and reached an O, noticing it will still get semi hard for that.  How often is this needed?  Befire hrt, my thingie was ruling my life and I had to reach an O 8 or 9 times a day everyday.  I don't miss it at all, I just want to do the minimum required for gcs.  Also, is there a rule of thumb that if you are a certain size you'll get the same size depth?  Or do you get less, or more?  I have to admit I'm a size queen, and the ones I usually enjoy are way bigger than my own:)

Bari Jo

[TinaVane]

The chats I heard if you have 9 inches of penis so you will have a 9 inch NeoVagina seems to be a myth.


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[Roll]

Also there are the techniques that don't rely on penile length to begin with as far as I know.

I've heard the actively using it thing quite a few times but only in regards to sensitivity, not depth. Probably has something to do with blood flow maintaining nerve tissue

[Faith]

I have no answers, it did bring things to mind that it's something I'll likely never worry about. Cost+necessity. Unless my wife passes or leaves (can I say God forbid!) I don't need working parts. I just want no parts. My goal is successful HRT that shrinks it down to an unmanageable size ... unmanageable meaning no touching necessary and out of sight.

I suppose I could search on how much size people lost once on the magic pills (or alternative thereof).

Bari Jo .. BIGGER NOW? Before surgery?  HOW? I'm lucky to tolerate a finger size when things swung around to that side of things. OWWWwwww 

Ok, sorry for the interruption, back to your regularly scheduled topic ...

[Devlyn]

I'm quite the conversation piece at my hairdressers place, and we've discussed transitioning and women's issues plenty. I brought up trans women's obsessions with depth...and they all moved away from me on the group W bench. They said that was the strangest thing they had learned from me in all this time. It's not something women even think about, as far as I can tell.

Hugs, Devlyn

[Bari Jo]

Yes, my favorite playmate is large.  I don't know if I could pleasure him vaginally if I got gcs.  Anally I'm fine with him, and love that.

Bari Jo

[ainsley]

In group one of the older girls mentioned I have to keep function of my thingie so it can be used for bottom surgery.  I do? 

No, not at all.

Also, is there a rule of thumb that if you are a certain size you'll get the same size depth?  Or do you get less, or more?  I have to admit I'm a size queen, and the ones I usually enjoy are way bigger than my own:)

No, there is no such rule.  It has more to do with your physical size (a cavity must be created in your lower abdomen for the vaginal canal), the surgeon's technique and typical provisioning for a vaginal canal, and if there does not happen to be enough on the donor tissue, then a graft can be taken from the leg to make a canal depth that is more standard.

Typically, from my own experience, and from reading others' statements that have had grs, 5-6" is the norm.  And my wife is 5'9" and has had a hysterectomy and last weekend the toy bottomed out on her at 5".

[Julia1996]

I hope you don't have to use "it" regularly for good SRS results! If so I'm screwed. I worry about having enough depth too. My boyfriend is really big. I was hoping with good dilaton I would be able to increase my depth after surgery. I won't ever have enough depth to take all of him but I hope I have enough to satisfy him. As for taking that analy, it took a little time and lots of lube with a numbing agent that didn't do much. I don't like anal but I let my BF do it because at the moment that's all I have available for penetration. He's mentioned how tight I am and that he likes that. So now I worry if I'll be tight enough after surgery. I doubt it will be as tight as my backside but I don't want it to be like him throwing a hotdog down a hallway either.

[SadieBlake]

Women may or may not think about it. I know I regret having lost an inch of my depth because I was fairly ginger about dilation, fearing injury if I pressed too hard.

I'm thrilled with my vagina and I'm glad that all the depth was lined with the penile inversion skin without need for grafts the difference for me is that I had tactile sensation all the way to the full depth. My surgeon would have created 6+ inches of depth irrespective and would have used a graft to achieve it if necessary.

My cis GF has considerably more depth than I do and I'm a little sad about that, still my result is completely functional and the only implication is that I could have some trouble taking a penis as big as the one I used to have. I'm not sweating it practically because penises larger than 6" are pretty rare but I'm sorry I'll miss that option and I'm working slowly to regain depth now I'm being fairly aggressive with dilation.

[Cassi]

 
I think I'm too young to hear all this

[AnonyMs]

I don't know the answer, but there is significant variation depending on Surgeon. Suporn averages 7", which I believe is above average. Some, if not most, surgeons are definitely below that.

Maximum vaginal depth attained with the scrotal skin graft beyond the original position of the peritoneal reflection (Douglas Pouch). A minimum of 6.0" (15.25 cm) vaginal depth is guaranteed immediately after surgery in all cases of SRS. The modal average is 7.0" (17.8 cm) depth.
http://www.supornclinic.com/restricted/srs/srstechnique.aspx

[Devlyn]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vaginal_size

[echo7]

A cis woman's vagina increases in length and width when she is aroused.  Her uterus moves upward to allow for the vaginal canal to lengthen, and the vagina widens inside ("tenting") to accommodate penetration from a penis.

A trans woman's vagina does not have these properties. The depth you get after surgery is the depth you always have.  It doesn't lengthen or widen when you get turned on.

This is why cis women don't really think about depth, because their vagina dynamically changes for sex.  It just happens, so they don't have to think or worry about it.   But since trans women's vaginas don't naturally expand for sex, having good depth from surgery is often a high priority for those who expect to have sex with men.

If post-op vaginal depth is important to you, you will likely want to have non-inversion SRS (Suporn or Chettawut), or sigmoid-colon SRS. 

[Kendra]

Dr. Ley said I can expect 6" depth from GCS next week if I dilate correctly.  I'm fine with that.

[mm]

I hope you have successful surgery and recovery next week, Kendra, keep us updated on how everything goes for you.

echo7, how you explained about the differences in cis vagina and a trans woman vagina is so true. Most women don't realize how their changes when they get excited and feel sexy.

[Kendra]

Yeah had to promise I won't ride my Harley to Arizona. 

[Julia1996]

A cis woman's vagina increases in length and width when she is aroused.  Her uterus moves upward to allow for the vaginal canal to lengthen, and the vagina widens inside ("tenting") to accommodate penetration from a penis.

A trans woman's vagina does not have these properties. The depth you get after surgery is the depth you always have.  It doesn't lengthen or widen when you get turned on.

This is why cis women don't really think about depth, because their vagina dynamically changes for sex.  It just happens, so they don't have to think or worry about it.   But since trans women's vaginas don't naturally expand for sex, having good depth from surgery is often a high priority for those who expect to have sex with men.

If post-op vaginal depth is important to you, you will likely want to have non-inversion SRS (Suporn or Chettawut), or sigmoid-colon SRS.

Well that's great. My vagina will be substandard compared to a genetic one. I really hate being trans!!

[Roll]

Well that's great. My vagina will be substandard compared to a genetic one. I really hate being trans!!

Average vagina depth will equal cis women according to the wiki page, it just won't be "dynamic".

[Cassi]

Well that's great. My vagina will be substandard compared to a genetic one. I really hate being trans!!

Well, I still thing I'm too young for this conversation, but, if you take measurements beforehand, there should be no problem

[echo7]

Well that's great. My vagina will be substandard compared to a genetic one. I really hate being trans!!

Will your vagina be the same as a cis woman's vagina?  No.  But will it be substandard?  Not necessarily.  In some ways it's even better!

Yes, your vagina will be tighter than a cis woman's vagina, but a LOT of men prefer this.  Men tend to like it when their penis is being gripped tightly inside the vaginal canal.  Some men say that having sex with a post-op trans woman is like having sex with a permanent virgin. 

As long as your vagina is 6 inches deep, you should be able to receive almost any man.  And you will get at least 6 inches for sure if you go to Chettawut or Suporn.  You may also get 6 inches if you get penile inversion SRS, but it's not guaranteed.  But even if you don't, it's not the end of the world.  A lot of men (and women) enjoy the back-and-forth motion of penis-in-vagina sex more than being able to get all of it in all the way.