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‘Religious Freedom Division’ Threatens LGBT Health—and Science

Started by LanaR, January 24, 2018, 05:53:06 PM

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Announced last week by acting secretary of HHS Eric Hargan, the division's stated purpose is to protect health care providers who refuse to provide services that contradict their moral or religious beliefs—services that include, according to the division's new website, "abortion and assisted suicide."

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Robbie Gonzalez science 01.23.18 06:42 pm Wired.com
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Janes Groove


Does this mean that if I'm bleeding out in an emergency room a health care provider can deny me care because they don't like transexuals?
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Laurie

   I have read the announcement and the article linked along with some other things Jane. And to answer your question, That is a possibility and the new department is there to protect their rights to do it. It is so loosely worded that almost any refusal on religious ground will be protected.  This is an important topic that affects all of us.

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Deborah

Quote from: Janes Groove on January 24, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
Does this mean that if I'm bleeding out in an emergency room a health care provider can deny me care because they don't like transexuals?
It's happened before right in Washington DC.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyra_Hunter

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Cassi

Quote from: Deborah on January 24, 2018, 10:44:19 PM
It's happened before right in Washington DC.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyra_Hunter

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What I find concerning is that health care providers and insurance companies tend to be more concerned for the almighty dollar (or pound) and if they can use this as an excuse to save money or in some cases make money they will.
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Janes Groove

This is my very real concern as I have already experienced discrimination and bigotry at the hands of health care providers just as, I believe, have many members of this site.
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Lady Sarah

I think most of us have experienced medical discrimination in one form or another. What the current administration seeks to do, is make it law, so nobody can sue over it.

When living in North Carolina, medicaid patients were forced to go to the county medical clinic. On my first visit, a doctor told me to "get the hell out", and uttered several transphobic slurs at me. When I contacted medicaid and an attorney, the head doctor decided to make me his patient, and the others rs would not be permitted to treat me. Things went fine after that. Things were better in Mississippi.

I can imagine that the clinic in NC where this happened will embrace the excuse to tell all LGBTI folk to get out of Dodge, and don't even dream about coming back.
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rmaddy

Quote from: Janes Groove on January 24, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
Does this mean that if I'm bleeding out in an emergency room a health care provider can deny me care because they don't like transexuals?

Unlikely.  In accordance with EMTALA law (1986) we must post the following on the wall:

IT'S THE LAW
IF YOU HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR ARE IN LABOR, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO RECEIVE, WITHIN THE CAPABILITIES OF THIS HOSPITAL'S STAFF AND FACILITIES
AN APPROPRIATE MEDICAL SCREENING EXAMINATION
NECESSARY STABILIZING TREATMENT
(INCLUDING TREATMENT FOR AN UNBORN CHILD) AND, IF NECESSARY
AN APPOPRIATE TRANSFER TO ANOTHER FACILITY EVEN IF YOU CANNOT PAY OR DO NOT HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE
OR YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MEDICARE OR MEDICAID

This signage must be written in the languages of those served by the facility.  In my department, we have an identical "ES LA LEY" sign affixed despite a fairly non-diverse patient population.  Facilities can be fined if the signage is not prominently displayed according to law.  It gets worse if one violates the words on the sign.  Physicians and facilities can be held liable for up to $50K penalty per case (imagine an audit finding that you had 100 such violations; you do the math) for each non-compliant denial or transfer.  These penalties are not covered by malpractice insurance.  EMTALA law is a really, really big deal.  Whatever this new HHS division puts on paper will essentially be either regulation (subject to court review) or memorandum.  I have a hard time believing that facilities or providers will see anything coming out of this division as superseding their responsibilities under EMTALA law.  I am cautiously optimistic that this effort, which is red meat for the President's base, will collapse like a bad soufflé (two food metaphors in one sentence; you're welcome) after the first lawsuit.

On the brighter side, if you're bleeding out in my ER, you have the right to be seen by a transsexual, schedule permitting.
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AnneK

The more I see, the more I'm glad I live in Canada.  The governments here are worked to improve things for the LGBQT community, with the Prime Minister openly supporting us and the Premier of Ontario is a lesbian.  This is on top of universal health care for everyone.  Compare this with what I read recently about Kentucky, where people may have to do 80 hours of work etc. to qualify for Medicaid.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/01/22/trump-let-states-make-poor-people-work-for-their-health-care-in-kentucky-many-say-theyre-now-facing-a-dead-end.html
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AnnMarie2017

It seems to me that it would be efficient, in non-emergency cases, to know ahead of time where we were welcome and where we weren't. Local LGBT organizations should be encouraged to keep rosters of businesses -- not just medical, either -- that welcome our patronage, and keep them up-to-date. When I needed the name of a trans-friendly physician in my area, I got one from my local support group; but, especially when almost everyone has an on-line presence and access to information on-line, this seems more efficient than trying to bring about political change, which takes a lot of time and energy for uncertain results.
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ainsley

So, I hope that, much the way the NCAA took action against North Carolina and removed the men's bball tournament from the state over their bathroom law, now corporations will take action with the insurance company contracts and vet out the in-network providers to ensure they will not have religious objections that this federal department is now trying to 'protect'.  There are so many corporations in the US that have specific protections for many classes of peoples and also have very strong stances on equality, so this may be the heaviest leverage against people taking this stance based on religion.  It is a capitalist society, so the market is the best recourse vector for this type of legislative action.
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: AnnMarie2017 on January 25, 2018, 06:29:09 AM
It seems to me that it would be efficient, in non-emergency cases, to know ahead of time where we were welcome and where we weren't. Local LGBT organizations should be encouraged to keep rosters of businesses -- not just medical, either -- that welcome our patronage, and keep them up-to-date. When I needed the name of a trans-friendly physician in my area, I got one from my local support group; but, especially when almost everyone has an on-line presence and access to information on-line, this seems more efficient than trying to bring about political change, which takes a lot of time and energy for uncertain results.
That information, at least up to now, is only available anecdotally. No business these days wants to actually post a sign saying they discriminate. It might Chase away people they would be willing to serve.

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AnnMarie2017

Quote from: Dee Marshall on January 25, 2018, 07:37:09 AM
That information, at least up to now, is only available anecdotally. No business these days wants to actually post a sign saying they discriminate. It might Chase away people they would be willing to serve.

Well, that's OK. Actually, I kind of expect that to be the main way this information is collected -- by local LGBT people themselves. That's how I got the name of the doctor I mentioned.

I think the political approach is very problematical. It might be emotionally satisfying, but if we want results for our time, energy and money, it doesn't seem very practical. At least to me. There's too much uncertainty. And self-help is preferable for multiple reasons.
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MariaMoore

Quote from: Janes Groove on January 24, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
Does this mean that if I'm bleeding out in an emergency room a health care provider can deny me care because they don't like transexuals?

I wouldn't be surprised. Most of the people in my town treat trans people like they're freaks.
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AnneK

QuoteNo business these days wants to actually post a sign saying they discriminate. It might Chase away people they would be willing to serve.

There have been some that have wound up in the news because of that sort of thing.  Here's a recent example.
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/01/17/gay-couple-suing-vistaprint-over-hateful-wedding-pamplets/

There was also the recent case of a baker in Colorado (IIRC) who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
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rmaddy

Quote from: Dee Marshall on January 25, 2018, 07:37:09 AM
No business these days wants to actually post a sign saying they discriminate. It might Chase away people they would be willing to serve.

Assuming they would be willing to serve. I recently ate in a West Texas cafe that posted a sign saying they reserved the right to deny service to anyone. My spouse urged me to find another place, but my curiosity got the better of me. It turned out well. The waitress was really quite nice. I'm not sure things would have gone as well if the owner were there.
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: rmaddy on January 25, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Assuming they would be willing to serve. I recently ate in a West Texas cafe that posted a sign saying they reserved the right to deny service to anyone. My spouse urged me to find another place, but my curiosity got the better of me. It turned out well. The waitress was really quite nice. I'm not sure things would have gone as well if the owner were there.
I was thinking more about allies. If they had a sign up that said "No Trannies" people might well avoid the place on principle. With no sign people might go in anyway. Plausible deniability.

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Dena

Quote from: rmaddy on January 25, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Assuming they would be willing to serve. I recently ate in a West Texas cafe that posted a sign saying they reserved the right to deny service to anyone. My spouse urged me to find another place, but my curiosity got the better of me. It turned out well. The waitress was really quite nice. I'm not sure things would have gone as well if the owner were there.
In the past, that sign indicated racial discrimination. Today it means they will not serve disruptive customers. A single person shouldn't be permitted to interfere with the dining experience of the rest of the customers.
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Quote from: Dena on January 25, 2018, 07:01:55 PM
In the past, that sign indicated racial discrimination. Today it means they will not serve disruptive customers. A single person shouldn't be permitted to interfere with the dining experience of the rest of the customers.

Well stated big Sister!
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