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Started by Sarah, December 17, 2007, 09:05:45 PM

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Pica Pica

no, that was just an act also - a drag act.
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Rachael

here was me thinking lilly savage was a gay mans 'drag' stage performance....
which iirc, hes not done in a while...
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Natasha

Quote from: Rachael on December 30, 2007, 06:22:31 PM
paul o grady is trans? :o

he's a drag queen, so in essence he's trans (as in transgender), not transsexual.
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Rachael

dragqueens arnt transgender... thier 99% happily gay men...
as is mr o grady...
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Shana A

Quote from: Rachael on December 30, 2007, 10:16:31 PM
dragqueens arnt transgender... thier 99% happily gay men...

Drag queens are an integral part of the transgender community, and were among the first of us to start fighting for any of the rights that we now have.

A few more famous trans people:

Silvia Rivera
Marsha P Johnson
Ru Paul
Divine
Lady Bunny

y2g
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Natasha

Quote from: y2gender on December 30, 2007, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: Rachael on December 30, 2007, 10:16:31 PM
dragqueens arnt transgender... thier 99% happily gay men...

Drag queens are an integral part of the transgender community, and were among the first of us to start fighting for any of the rights that we now have.


y2g

thanks!
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Sarah

I just thought of an interesting possible example of historic Transmen.

What about some of the historic female soldiers?

Like in the civil war?

There were some women who went to an awful lot of trouble just to be a soldier.

More so than what you would expect from a normal GG girl.

Hiding their sex, dressing as men, binding their boobs; this is all trans behavior, and especially at a time when women were particularly expected not to fight. Someone would either have to REALLY like fighting or just be a guy with a female body in order to want to go to all that trouble.

Don't you think? I think it's quite possible some of them were.

I know that at least one black woman may have done it so as to win her freedom as a slave, as that was promised to all slaves who joined the union army; and she got it. But that logic could not be applied to other women who were not in that position or in other wars.

Seems possible no?
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Rachael

tbh, its more like behaviour of women who want to do thier bit, in a time when women couldnt... such actions arnt 'trans behaviour' its passing as a male... which they had to, to fight... sortof a biproduct...
you think onmy f2ms bind thier breasts? sports people....
'would have to really like to fight or want to be a guy'
firstly, there are safer ways to be a man....
the point is, these soldiers wanted to protect thier country, and wernt allowed, patriotism was different then. and i cant expect a modern non historian to understand that concept. but its unlikely these individuals were trans.
maybe possible yes, overwhelming possibilites? these women want to defend thier nation, in a time when wars wernt fought on foreign soil. its happened for centuries...and notice how it stopped when we let women into the militery...
simple fact is, they had to pretend to be men to be in the army,
not every tom dick, or harriet who dresses up as the other sex is automatically transgender....

y2gender:explain how dragqueens suffer GID or are somehow 'transgender'
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Natasha

Estelle Asmodelle, Australian actress
Brandon Teena, female to male transsexual killed by transphobic a-holes
Dana Baitz, Canadian musician
Wendy Carlos, composer
Tyra Hunter, male to female transsexual killed by transphobic a-holes
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Shana A

Quote from: Rachael on December 31, 2007, 07:06:22 AM
y2gender:explain how dragqueens suffer GID or are somehow 'transgender'
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I can't speak for levels of GID that drag queens might suffer. What I do know, having been involved with the gay male community, is that the majority of gay men have no desire whatsoever to wear womens' clothing, so there's a distinct difference. Drag queens are included in definitions of transgender in the wiki here at this site and elsewhere.

Quote from: Natasha on December 30, 2007, 10:46:50 PM
thanks!

You're welcome. I don't like seeing any members of our community marginalized from within, they/we get more than enough of that from the outside world.

y2g

"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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tekla

"explain how dragqueens suffer GID or are somehow 'transgender'"

And yet we wonder why we the first people tossed from the bus.  The mind reels.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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nickie

Wait....what about...Tootsie!
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Natasha

Quote from: nickie on December 31, 2007, 06:29:30 PM
Wait....what about...Tootsie!

what about "tootsie"?  he's a fictitious movie character.  Dustin Hoffman who played tootsie isn't ts of any kind.

ok back to topic:

Barbara Amesbury, Canadian singer
April Ashley, English model
Chevalier d'Eon, French diplomat


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Rachael

Quote from: tekla on December 31, 2007, 03:04:57 PM
"explain how dragqueens suffer GID or are somehow 'transgender'"

And yet we wonder why we the first people tossed from the bus.  The mind reels.
your only in line to be thrown off the bus if you tell them your in line... ;)
and i still dont comprehend how a gay male acting and performing is in any way trans....
i have several gay friends who do drag, they have no compulsion to the clothes whatsoever, just taking the mickey, shocking people, and what they find amusing...
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tekla

We have several here in SF that live in that gender full-time, like Princess Kennedy.  There would have been no original movement for us to be a part of without Stonewall and Compton and both of those events (one on each coast) were pretty much drag queen riots.  You do realize that back in the 60s and early 70s there were no TS/TG, no gender bending, no GID, or any of that, all men dressing as women were all called drag queens.

And 'ja know, the standard public perception of a lot of the gender deal is drag queens, like RuPaul, or Divine, or Dame Edna.  And, I don't think that is all bad.  Might be a shame, but its not all bad.  And I say that because performers have a very good ability to communicate (its their job more or less) and are comfortable in that role.  Rather than a harsh, strident tone, RuPaul sets one that is far more open to far more people.  And, in being pretty successful, RP is not a bad role model for any of us, nor a bad public face for the movement.  I always loved two RP quotes, the first hangs in my office because its the best simple statement of a reality that I sometimes have to contend with, and in this biz any sort of realism is welcome:

Nobody promises anything in show business and you understand that from day one.


The other one I carry close to my heart, because it not only moves me, it also informs me.  And I think the last line is pretty valid for this thread.

What other people think of me is not my business. What I do is what I do. How people see me doesn't change what I decide to do. I don't choose projects so people don't see me as one thing or another. I choose projects that excite me. I think the problem is that people refuse to understand what drag is outside of their own belief system.
 



FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Rachael

public perception is a funny thing... recently i was watching an episode of the tv show NCIS... and they dealt with a navy commander who vanished with 12 million dollars, the woman they thought was his girlfriend/lover turned out to BE the commander, who transitioned, they refered to her as a 'heshe/->-bleeped-<-/->-bleeped-<-' and once discovereding the 'truth' never used female pronouns again, and mocked the agent that kissed her.
when TV shows today portray transpeople like that, i dont see how thats related to drag queens or some performance aspect...
trans people in the media are used as jokes, suprises, and to shock... the only reason they used a natal female for the role was to suprise the viewer, and probably shock them after they found her attractive.
gotta love that tricking straight men attutide eh?
R >:D
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tekla

I never watch TV so I could not say.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Christo

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Rachael

Joan of arc wasnt trans.... she crossdressed for some practical reasons both in prison, and in the militery. mainly because for the militery part of her life, there WASNT a womens equivalent of the armour and battle clothing.
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Christo

Quote from: Rachael on January 01, 2008, 06:56:18 PM
Joan of arc wasnt trans.... she crossdressed for some practical reasons both in prison, and in the militery. mainly because for the militery part of her life, there WASNT a womens equivalent of the armour and battle clothing.
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dunno.  maybe.  but shes seen as trans in the ftm community.  I didnt make her trans :laugh:  happy new year Rachael :laugh: :) :) :)  I say "she" because she never said she wanted to be a dude but still that doesnt mean she aint trans.
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