Why do some physically healthy people decide to transition without HRT?

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So I know an older trans woman who is in her 40s and she transitioned a year ago.
She underwent breast augmentation, had electrolysis on body and face, had hair transplants and asked people to call her by her new name but she decided to not go on HRT.
I asked her why and she replied : " because I have never been vocal for HRT treatments . "

She also seams rather antagonistic against HRT and SRS.

I myself am a binary trans woman who has been on HRT for two years. One year very low dose, another year low dose and now low-average dose.
I like how I feel on it, my body orgasms are super feminine, I feel energetic and calm.

Why would a trans person not want to go on HRT and enjoy all these mental and physical changes?

Wasn't it difficult for doctors to insert implants in her armpits while she didn't have any previous tissue to work with?

[Gertrude]

They want a functioning penis.


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They want a functioning penis.


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Hormones is not equal to not having a functioning penis, though?

Been on hormones for two years, low T and relatively high E and still have a penis that could function if I wanted it to function :-/ ?

[AnonyMs]

I don't really understand it myself, but I think some people really don't like drugs. Or vaccines or doctors, etc.

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I don't really understand it myself, but I think some people really don't like drugs. Or vaccines or doctors, etc.

That makes sense! A lot of people, cis or trans, have needle fear and are afraid of swallowing pills. I even heard about people popping pills with pudding to circumvent direct contact with the pill.

There are patches,... as well though. Even pellets.

Maybe they are non-binary or they are binary but don't like the changes of hormones on their mind? Maybe they only want the physical changes without the emotional changes?

Arisce Wanzer, a MtF top model is someone who comes to mind. She gave interviews about not liking how emotional her friends on hormones are,...

I wonder how they give them a breast augmentation though. I mean, they don't have any tissue in that area to cover the implant up with? Does it feel like two silicone disks under a flap of skin?

[Gertrude]

Hormones is not equal to not having a functioning penis, though?

Been on hormones for two years, low T and relatively high E and still have a penis that could function if I wanted it to function :-/ ?

Not everyone does and you'll find as you pass 50, it may go away. I would bet that those over 50 are more likely to need t to work well.

[Chelsea]

Not everyone does and you'll find as you pass 50, it may go away. I would bet that those over 50 are more likely to need t to work well.

I have a friend that says her doctor gives her testosterone injections every few months to keep hers working. She is been on HRT for 4 years. 

Hugs,
      Chelsea

[JoanneB]

HRT isn't as safe as drinking a glass of water. There are side effects, some of which can kill you. Plus throw in family history and their own medical history.... I can see it no problem. The prime reason for taking HRT for me was for my head only, not the body. Not that I am complaining about those changes. I doubt just opting for the cheaper (in the long run) option of breast implants alone would have done me any good

[BT04]

I plan on going on T just long enough to get the permanent changes I want and then stopping. I don't want to be on medications for the rest of my life if there's any hope of avoiding it. Being beholden to prescriptions and doctors like that is... the opposite of good for my mental health, I'll say. And I've not had good experiences with it in the past, so I'd rather avoid such arrangements at all costs.

[barbie]

Because of my family. I want to remain a dad of my kids.

barbie~~

[AnonyMs]

I plan on going on T just long enough to get the permanent changes I want and then stopping. I don't want to be on medications for the rest of my life if there's any hope of avoiding it. Being beholden to prescriptions and doctors like that is... the opposite of good for my mental health, I'll say. And I've not had good experiences with it in the past, so I'd rather avoid such arrangements at all costs.

I'm going the other way, but you may be overlooking the mental effects of going on T. The change is invisible, but at least in my experience huge. In many ways its more important than the physical changes.

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I'm going the other way, but you may be overlooking the mental effects of going on T. The change is invisible, but at least in my experience huge. In many ways its more important than the physical changes.

True! I feel like a different person even though I don't look absolutely different.
The correct hormone mix is addicting. It gives you a reason to live where there was none before.

[Julia1996]

I have to admit I don't understand why someone would transition without hrt either but if they can be happy without it then cool. Personally I couldn't. I'm pretty sure I could have still been passable without hrt but I wouldn't have been as pretty and my boobs, hips, butt and thighs wouldn't have filled out. If I had just done BA I would have looked like a pencil with boobs. And male puberty didn't do much damage to me thankfully but that could have changed if I hadn't started Blockers and estrogen. I was only 17 so without hrt I might have developed more male characteristics as I got older.

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I have to admit I don't understand why someone would transition without hrt either but if they can be happy without it then cool. Personally I couldn't. I'm pretty sure I could have still been passable without hrt but I wouldn't have been as pretty and my boobs, hips, butt and thighs wouldn't have filled out. If I had just done BA I would have looked like a pencil with boobs. And male puberty didn't do much damage to me thankfully but that could have changed if I hadn't started Blockers and estrogen. I was only 17 so without hrt I might have developed more male characteristics as I got older.

I was 3 years older than you when I started and male puberty had been mild on me too.
My voice was also very feminine. Who knows my voice would have dropped if I started later.
I was also lucky that my appearence stayed child-like which helped in my transition.
I experienced pelvic tilt as well which people who start after 25 years old don't experience usually.

[Julia1996]

I was 3 years older than you when I started and male puberty had been mild on me too.
My voice was also very feminine. Who knows my voice would have dropped if I started later.
I was also lucky that my appearence stayed child-like which helped in my transition.
I experienced pelvic tilt as well which people who start after 25 years old don't experience usually.

Yeah my voice could have dropped too and I might have developed facial hair which would have totally sucked.

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Yeah my voice could have dropped too and I might have developed facial hair which would have totally sucked.

Arisce Wanzer is a MtF who transitioned without HRT.
She passes as long as she doesn't open her mouth. Looks more like a " femboy " than like a cis girl though. She still has the testosterone in her which will also masculinize her over time.
She also still secretes male pheromones.
I wonder how her boyfriend, Laith De La Cruz, who is FtM and cis passing, deals with it.
I guess he is bisexual because how could a straight male be attracted to a male body odor and a deep masculine voice?

She also is as thin as a stick with boobs. That " skinny boy look ".

As long as she is happy I guess.

I personally couldn't have transitioned without HRT.
The mental effects were as important as the physical effects.
Especially halting further masculinization and facial hair development.

I looked very child-like when I transitioned and if I had waited longer I could have had the misfortune of a late puberty setting in.

Estradiol also helped my bone plates fuse.
I will forever be only 5 feet 5 which is a great height for a girl.

My height, my voice and my small posture all were helpful in my transition to female.
The lack of facial hair also helped.

Was almost 20 when I started. Had I waited 5 years more the damage would have been way worse I suspect.

T can do a lot of irreversible damage on MtFs.
FtMs have the luxury of the ability to pass at any age.

[Dena]

Consider not every is dysphoric about the same thing. If dysphoria over your body is minimal but social dysphoria is great, blending in is more important than body modification. Passing with your clothes off isn't as important as passing with them on. It becomes a matter of putting your money where you feel it will do the most good.

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Consider not every is dysphoric about the same thing. If dysphoria over your body is minimal but social dysphoria is great, blending in is more important than body modification. Passing with your clothes off isn't as important as passing with them on. It becomes a matter of putting your money where you feel it will do the most good.

That is true! I know a few people with male bodies who dress like women, wear make-up and wear wigs but apart from laser hair removal they had no medical interventions.
Most of them look like men in women's clothes but are happy to be able to present as themselves. I respect them a lot for that. They look genuinely happy with the social changes and don't care for medical changes.

Someone famous who lives like that is Courtney Act who is genderfluid. They live sometimes like a man and sometimes like a woman. The person is on Big Brother now and does drag to express the female side of their genderfluid identity. She / he / they can really pass as a woman and look a bit like Kylie Minogue when they are in drag.

They claim to regularly have sex with straight guys but I must honestly say that I doubt the guys they sleep with are that straight, since Courtney has no boobs or hips when the clothing comes off.

[Allison S]

That is true! I know a few people with male bodies who dress like women, wear make-up and wear wigs but apart from laser hair removal they had no medical interventions.
Most of them look like men in women's clothes but are happy to be able to present as themselves. I respect them a lot for that. They look genuinely happy with the social changes and don't care for medical changes.

Someone famous who lives like that is Courtney Act who is genderfluid. They live sometimes like a man and sometimes like a woman. The person is on Big Brother now and does drag to express the female side of their genderfluid identity. She / he / they can really pass as a woman and look a bit like Kylie Minogue when they are in drag.

They claim to regularly have sex with straight guys but I must honestly say that I doubt the guys they sleep with are that straight, since Courtney has no boobs or hips when the clothing comes off.

I think they are straight. I don't think sex is just boobs and hips. Courtney Act looks very feminine. Yes mostly her face but there's many women whose bodies are similar. Some women don't have hips and/or boobs because usually they're so skinny. There are men into that too not only curviness. Personally I need curves, breasts, hips and butt. Even my legs. I would cry if my legs lost their feminine shape. I'm 5'7, fairly pale, and I'd say curvy in all the right places. Dresses and skirts fit me nicely. But still my face is way behind my body sadly still.. [emoji17]

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[CarlyMcx]

Why do some MTF's transition without HRT?

If you're old, heart disease; if you're young, sex.

Erectile function has more to do with mental stimulus than with hormones, so still having it after HRT is pretty common.  But the part of the male orgasm caused by the passage of seminal fluid through the urethra is pretty much over within days or weeks after starting HRT.  And desire diminishes for a lot of people.

You can go from being horny all the time to wanting it only once every two or three weeks.

Some folks would rather combine male sexuality with female beauty.