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Hate it , my vacation ruined when get clocked in oversea

Started by Han, March 03, 2018, 09:43:00 AM

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Han

First off excuse my English please.
Being trans sucks . I love to travel , since my passport gender does not match my presentation. A lot of countries I can not go for safety reason.
I used to lived in the Philippines, is fairly somewhat trans friendly county . I I decide take a vacation on the Philippines.
The beach is nice and the ocean is lovely . However. I hated be clocked while I'm here .
I'm 5'10 tall Asian with average body . I pass easily in the states . but I been notice three times when the local people interacted with me , mentioned the word " ladyboy" in they own Language. I used to live there so I understand a few words.when I heard the world " ladyboy" I felt my vacation is ruined.
I felt hurt and my confidence has clapped. Is happened three times .The first time was in the beach , I let it go , the second time was in a restaurant.I called the person out started an argument with her. The third time I was in the beach again , I was hold on he anger first but finally when I decide return to start a flight with the person who called me name .He was gone already
Is sucks when you want go a place have a good time and get clocked be called ladyboy.Thailand and Philippines both have a lot of transgender but the Thai are more friendly and nice towards trans , I don't think I will back to the Philippines again
Today I'm packed and back to the states. But I feel low. What will you do if that happen to you in the vacation. Will you fighting back or just let it go ?I'm not scared these people ,I'm 5'10 ,The Filipino are tiny but unlikely will be a real fight ,It more likely just be an verb called out. What would you do, will you walk away or called them out ?
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FinallyMichelle

My guess is that we all have different views on that.
I would not have any kind of confrontation personally, unless physically threatened. It does get hard to keep quiet sometimes and I don't blame those of us who have to say something.

I don't believe that it accomplishes anything that is all, making any retaliation almost always a negative for us as a group. Not always but it would have to be an amazing person to keep a level head under those circumstances, but even someone who can do that and knows what to say, a lot of the people who make fun of us don't care.

I wish that your vacation would not have been like that, it should not have been but we all know that some treat us in ways that they should not. It does get better though and one day you will have your name changed on everything right?

Please don't give up on vacation unless you feel threatened, you can't redo life. There is no respawn point. I understand the pain but sometimes it is worth it to fight through the pain.
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summer710

Some may hate my response on this...

What would I do?  Work on passing.  My personal goal is to blend in and pass as a cis-woman.  I live in the US, and for the most part, I guess I pass (?) - 95% gendered as female (even though I don't wear/present with feminine style clothing, hair, make-up, etc).  I dress in jeans/T-shirt or sweatpants and generally do fine.
Overseas, however, is different.  Some countries (esp with the 'ladyboy' or Katooey culture) are definitely better and more outspoken in terms of clocking people.  In Europe I'm 75:25 female:male.  In the Philippines - forget it...it's just that they 'know' what to look for.  And for perspective, parents are from Manila and Cebu, I'm 5'6", 135-140 lbs (depending on diet/cycling), but when I'm there, it's game over (bakla and ladyboy).

If it happens again - don't confront others (and don't suggest just because you're 5"10 and you do pick a fight you will succeed); just consider why they clocked you, and if it really bothers you, try to figure out how to blend in better if that's what you want (and again, starting a physical altercation won't help you in anyway, it won't help you not get clocked, and it won't bridge relations between the straight and trans communities). Verbal altercations are always different from physical altercations, and who knows what would happen to you in the Duterte prison system.   And just because trans people exist in the PI, doesn't mean they are accepted...sometimes they're merely tolerated (if only for specific services).
You have suffered enough and warred with yourself - It's time that you won.
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Han

Quote from: summer710 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:04 PM
Some may hate my response on this...

What would I do?  Work on passing.  My personal goal is to blend in and pass as a cis-woman.  I live in the US, and for the most part, I guess I pass (?) - 95% gendered as female (even though I don't wear/present with feminine style clothing, hair, make-up, etc).  I dress in jeans/T-shirt or sweatpants and generally do fine.
Overseas, however, is different.  Some countries (esp with the 'ladyboy' or Katooey culture) are definitely better and more outspoken in terms of clocking people.  In Europe I'm 75:25 female:male.  In the Philippines - forget it...it's just that they 'know' what to look for.  And for perspective, parents are from Manila and Cebu, I'm 5'6", 135-140 lbs (depending on diet/cycling), but when I'm there, it's game over (bakla and ladyboy).

If it happens again - don't confront others (and don't suggest just because you're 5"10 and you do pick a fight you will succeed); just consider why they clocked you, and if it really bothers you, try to figure out how to blend in better if that's what you want (and again, starting a physical altercation won't help you in anyway, it won't help you not get clocked, and it won't bridge relations between the straight and trans communities). Verbal altercations are always different from physical altercations, and who knows what would happen to you in the Duterte prison system.   And just because trans people exist in the PI, doesn't mean they are accepted...sometimes they're merely tolerated (if only for specific services).





Hello ,there .dear , are you Filipino? Your experience just same as mine . I pass well in the states . But for some reason I got clocked in the Philippines

Perhaps I'm tall as 5"10 ,The most of local only like 5'2 or 5'3
I can't think of anything else . Because I didn't even speak and my voice is passable  ,so can't be my voice or my face . Or could be the way I walk?

How do you finger out why you got clocked ? Because you are not going to ask.


Does that bother you ? What you would do when some people there call you bakla ?


Btw . They should have some respect for tourism. Philippines is a port country , if they want tourist money they need treat tourist with respect

Not going there ,Thailand is much nicer place and more polite
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