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Crossing the Rubicon

Started by molly, February 13, 2006, 07:18:42 AM

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molly

Well I had my moment of truth with my wife yesterday and came out to her.  It was one of the most stressful and hardest things I have ever done.  I don't know how this is going to turn out in the end, but I hope it is with an intact marriage with my wife.

She seemed to take the news well, or at least in a stoic manner, and wants to be supportive.  She states this was more of a confirmation for her of what I am feeling and that she has noticed my developing more feminine gestures and thinking recently.  I know my wife well enough that I'm sure inside she is confused and scared.  Her questions were few, which makes me wonder how she is really feeling about it, and I tried to have a conversation about it to gauge how she is taking the news but with limiteed success.  She wants time to consider what this means for us, for our marriage, for her thoughts about me, who is the not the man she thought she married.

The few questions she had were ones I expected: How will this affect our relationship?  Do I want to go out in public?  She doesn't want me going out in public, to go to places where there might be people that would recognize me, and to be careful on how I express this side of me at work and with professional collegues.

I believe she is going to make an effort to be understanding and supportive, but I also know this is not an easy thing for a SO to come to terms with.  She asked for a few days to consider the news and then we can talk again about it - so now I will wait to see what happens.

The die is cast, the game is afoot as Shirlock Holmes would say, now I need to be caring and supportive of my wife and pray for a positive outcome.
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KelliTGirl

Congratulations! I know that in my personal experience, coming out can be a huge releif, but also a huge burdon, depending on how the recipients react to our news.

I congratuate your courage and wish you the best!


--Kelli
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molly

Kelli:

Thank you for your support and kind words, they mean alot to me right now.  I hope tonight goes well now that my wife has had a day to think about it.  I would hope we can have discussion about it and it doesn't get buried because it is too uncomfortable to talk about.

It feels like I am alone out in the wilderness fighting the demons just to survive.

Molly
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Kimberly

Hay now! You can't be alone, you've got all these good friendly folks here!

It might be wise to give her a little more time and let her broach the subject... and if that does not happen in a day or two (or tomorrow depending), start leaving subtle hints (support group numbers, information about the condition and so on) out in the open, and bring them up if she doesn't. However, given that she asked for a few days to consider, if you do bring it up at all I'd suggest a simple question if she would like to talk about it or had any questions and if not let the subject drop for the day. In essence, be there if she wants to talk, but only if she wants for now. I suggest anyway.
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stephanie_craxford

Hello Molly,

As you realise you have taken a momentous step.  And at this time you don't know what it will lead to.  I hope that it will be favourable for you.

You are going to have to give your wife time to digest what you've revealed, and to let her get her thoughts together.  She is probably running a lot of questions through her mind right now, and while her initial response may be subdued, the next response may not be.

Quote from: MollyThe few questions she had were ones I expected: How will this affect our relationship?  Do I want to go out in public?  She doesn't want me going out in public, to go to places where there might be people that would recognize me, and to be careful on how I express this side of me at work and with professional collegues.

These questions and reactions are almost standard fare.  Right now she is probably scared to death not knowing what the future holds.  A lot of SO's also react this way because they feel ashamed that it's possibly something that they have done.  Also they become protective of this revelation and try to keep this as your secret.  My wife was the same way.  She did her best to "Protect me" and the family from the outside ridicule and possible shame should this come out.  She tried to keep the two worlds apart, but it didn't work.  If you are going to stay together then you are going to have to have answers to the questions she posed.

You both will have some very difficult, life changing decisions to make, and those decisions will determine if you stay together or part.  Give her time to think, don't force the issue at this point, and above all be honest, open, upfront, and keep the lines of communication open.

Steph

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Jillieann Rose

Oh Molly you did the right thing. Molly i'm sure you must feel better not hidding a very important part of yourself from your SO. It is like a great buden has been lifted.

Your wifes statment that
QuoteShe wants time to consider what this means for us, for our marriage, for her thoughts about me, who is the not the man she thought she married.
Is just what my wife said to me when I came out to her. Do take it slowly Step and Kimberly have given you some good advise.

A couple days after I told her she said that she didn't know if she loved me or not.
Now my wife is slowly learning that this new person that has taken over her husbands body loves her and is in many ways just like her husband. I thrills me to say that she is now telling me that she love me. I know are relationship will contiune, but it will be changed too.

Instead of pushing the TG subject just show here how much you love her. I believe you need to win her back so do what you did when you first won her heart. You should date her again.  She needs to learn to trust you all over. She also need a parner who can be supportive (You just knock her legs out from under her.) so you need to show her that you can be supportive. So go to it. I know you can win her back too.

I'll be around if you need me.
Your TG Sis,
:)
Jillieann


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RachelSnow

Good Luck Molly... I've been exactly where you are right now.

Jillieann, Steph and Kimberly all gave excellent advise.

Let her have the time she needs, let her approach you about any further discussion on the topic. I don't know that I would offer up any "propaganda" at this time, because anything she hears or reads that you suggest could be dismissed as being biased towards your situation.

I would make sure that you have the answers to important questions ready beforehand, and I don't mean the answers you think she wants to hear.

I would also remind her that you are the man she thought she married, this shouldn't change who you are as a person. It's just and explananation for WHY you are the way you are. You ended your message with the perfect statement
Quotenow I need to be caring and supportive of my wife and pray for a positive outcome.
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Peggiann

Molly,
ummm.... :icon_cry: My heart aches for both of you, your having to be patient and wait for her to try to find herself and be able to settle into what she has to work through. And then for her and how I know to well how her mind won't stop thinking and her heart filled with that deep heaviness and heated burning, as I too have walked in shoes of a similar nature. Things will not be sure and right on in knowing for possitive :'(just how she feels. The feelings and thoughts will change from day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. Even months to months. What she thinks she can bare at one given time she may feel is just to much to bare at other times. The fogginess and numbness will lift when ever it does and not before. To expect her to beable to honestly be able to think and process information clearly is really asking a lot. I think if you bring anything up it's should be..."Are you all right, can I help you in anyway?" Leave all discussion and need for your reasurence aside. These next steps can not be about Molly and her needs. When your wife is able she'll bring it up.  What must seem like a life time for you Molly will no dought be very torturing for you.  :'(  Trust me on this she will only want your concern for how she is doing and coping right now for a bit anyway. What Steph says can be true. "She may not be this subdued in her next response." We women at times are much like Hurricanes. We to have a calming before the storm and gain strength before we strike with full furry. How ever your comment, "She states this was more of a confirmation for her of what I am feeling and that she has noticed my developing more feminine gestures and thinking recently." May mean she has suspected something of this nature for a while and she has dealt privately and for it to be something on these line. Every situation is different because the relationship each couple shares is so unique and it's very own. You'll just have to wait on her quews.

I feel you were probabley very right in your reasons for telling her and planning how and even the way. To us here at Susan's that have wittnessed your wrestling match on these issue we are aware of how deeply you love and care for your wife. I realize too, it's very difficult to find any joy in any freedom that may come a bit farther down the road just now. Others here have shared this and I can atest to what I see in Leah. So I know it will happen for you too. But every thing comes in due time.

If you are not ready to share Susan's Place with her just yet... you are welcome to pass my email on from my profile so she may visit with someone that has been and there and is going through. Also have you located a local support group for you both to participate in?

Best wishes for you both and know my prayers are for mending and bonding and strengthening of your love and relationship.

Warmest and Most Sincere Regards,
Peggiann
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Louise

Molly,

Congratulations on getting up to courage to tell your wife.  I know exactly what you mean when you say this was the hardest thing you ever had to do.  It will only get easier from here on.  Just follow the advice that others have been giving.  Be patient and be open in your communication.  You will both have to discover what makes you comfortable or uncomfortable.  My wife at first was reluctant to see me dressed, but now she doesn't mind at all when I am dressed at home.   She is still reluctant to see me go out dressed and does not want our grown children to know.  Keep showing your wife that you care for her.

Louise
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Owen

Congratulations Molly on coming out. I wish I had the courage to do the same. I have been hiding my feelings for a long time, to long. I can only imagine how stressful it was for you. Sounds like your wife is very understanding.  All the best. :angel:

Owen

Love being Female
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molly

I want to give a big thank you for all your support and helpful advise.  I have been busy tending to my wifes needs and work, so I haven't been spending much time on the internet or at Susan's.

The first week or so after my coming out was an emotional rollar coaster gone out of control.  There was little communication between my wife and I and she had a hard time even looking at me.  I was feeling devastated and depressed, thinking that I had damaged my marriage beyond repair.

But then things began to improve, my wife began therapy and asking questions.  Since then we have had many deep discussions and have at times talked this to death, but all good stuff.

I think Peggiann captured my wifes feelings in that she is trying to find herself, her mind won't stop working, and her heart is filled with heaviness.  The good news is that she is slowly beginning to accept me, but saying she understands would be a stretch.

Jillieann touched on an important point about the need for her to learn to trust me again, she has brought this up several times.  I understand what she is saying and am working on regaining her trust.  This one is hard on me because in all reality there is no way I could have come out to her before I did, it has only been within the last year that I came out to myself in a way that I could understand my TGness and accept myself, and once I understood I carefully prepared how to come out to my wife as soon as possible.  In any case she is struggling with her own sense of identity and trying to understand what happened to the man she married so I accept the need to rebuild trust.

In the last week I have noticed a shift in her from denial to luke warm acceptance.  She is not ready to see me dressed but is open to it in the future.  I am now hanging my clothes in the closet and keeping my razor in the shower.

For the first time since coming out I am feeling hopeful, I know that there is still a long ways to go, but I think it will take some time and it depends on what compromises we both can accept to make our marriage work.

I love my wife for not immediately walking out the door and for working to understand how we can move beyond this.  Her acceptance is not guaranteed but very possible - that is enough for me right now.

I feel a heavy burden has been lifted and I can now spend positive energy on my marriage and on letting Molly live out of the closet a little more.  I can't go back and don't want to live a life of denial and fear.  I have to keep moving forward and trust that the love between my wife and me is strong enough to survive this.

Again a big thank you to everyone for your support, I couldn't have done this without you!
Susan's was like an oasis in the desert when I discovered this resource of caring sisters and brothers.  I believe that my life would have spun out of control without the advise, guidance, support, sharing of life stories by each of you, and the great information found in Wiki.

Stay strong,

Molly
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Gill

Hello Molly:

Yes, I bet you do feel a ton of weight has been lifted off your shoulders.  Please be patient with your spouse.  Though deep down she may have clued in that something was going on, having it confirmed is another thing.  She is in shocked and I applaud her for finding the support she needs, enabling her to gain some emotional strength back.

When we, and I say we as it was a partnership between Steph and myself, to go forward with this, we had a lot on our plates.  But with open communication and knowing that we do care deeply about each other we were able to manoeuvre through this mine field (at times).  But what pained me the most was the loss of my (traditional) marriage and the having to cope with that, and I know Steph felt the same as well.  It is that realization that hits like a ton of bricks.  You have to go through it though, to mourn that loss in order to survive (for me anyways).  This isn't a bad thing, it is a growing of a different relationship, but nevertheless, you have to go through it and you/she will come out the other side.   So keep this mourning in mind, it may help you understand where her mind is at sometimes.

Keep positive, though too much positivity will drive her nuts  :D, and allow both of you the time you require.  You both need to find where you fit together in all of this.

Keep talking.

Gill
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Peggiann

HI Molly,
I was so glad to hear back from you a few days back. I have been out of town so I couldn't respond but will here.

I am so pleased to hear you and your spouse are making progress. I'm certain there will be days that it feels like ...wow how can this be yesterday or even for the past few days it felt as if we were making head way...now today... it brings 6 steps back words. As Gill mentioned just be patient with her and yourself too. You are both treading in to some new ground and the path though similar to others here at Susan's, is brand new because you are two special and unique individuals, very different from those who found themselves on a similar path too. Your relationship is exclusively yours not like any other. It is only the knowledge of what will help see you through the path and clear the way for the new relationship to bloom again. Much like a seed.. without the proper tending it can't push it's head through the soil and sprout and grow and bloom into something beautiful with out the proper care and tending. In relationships it's the communications and the special little things in consideration of both patries and the refienforcing words of "I love you", and when the time and fealing is right for the comforting hugs that will begin to feel secure again. All of which will begin to feel like trust again.

Take care and thanks for giving us and update we do care for you and your spouse and want you both to know we are here just and post away, or personal message or email.. and even in the chat room if it will help. Just let me know when I and I'll be happy to join her or you.

Smile and Prayers,
Peggiann

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NightAngel

Congratulations Molly!!

that's a great news, I can imagine how hard it must be for you to telling your SO's,but I also can understand your wife.However you did the right thing, if she really loves you then she will never leave you. Also as Kimberly said ... you are never alone, we are always here for you and your SO's too!!

Good luck Molly,

*hugs*

Michelle
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Jillieann Rose

Hi Molly,
I hope things are going well. I know with my wife things keep going up and down. Sometimes she seems to accept me and sometimes she doesn't. We will enjoy being with each other and than a little later she will put a wall up that has a sign in front of it that says, "stay away".( It not literally wall  but I can read her mind somewhat after 34 years.)   I know she wants to believe I'm just sick and if I go to a doctor or for counseling I will get well. But at least now I do think that she believes that I'm not completely incompetent. She still has a trust issues. She feels that I would rather talk to other about our problem than talk to her. So I will continue to work at building her trust and showing her my love. 
QuoteI love my wife for not immediately walking out the door and for working to understand how we can move beyond this.  Her acceptance is not guaranteed but very possible - that is enough for me right now.
You and I must kept on remembering this and be happy for any small steps forward.
I was a shock for me to finally realize what I am how much more my wife.
Hang in there Molly. I am here if you need me and I do understand some of what you are going through. 
:)
Jillieann
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Melissa

I have heard acceptance compared to a pendulum.  It swings back and forth between being very accepting and then seeming like there is no acceptance at all.

Melissa
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