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Megan.

Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on August 16, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
*Shrug*
<finds stuff scraped from under exquisite nails more interesting>

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ShotGal

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think one person said - go buy a vibrator! 

If it's still no go, give it time.  There could possibly be a technical/medical reason/error which may or may not be fixable.  Hopefully you didn't just have SRS for sexual reasons though.  There's so much more to life.
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PhoenixGurl2016

Quote from: ShotGal on August 17, 2018, 02:04:59 PM
Maybe I missed it, but I don't think one person said - go buy a vibrator! 

If it's still no go, give it time.  There could possibly be a technical/medical reason/error which may or may not be fixable.  Hopefully you didn't just have SRS for sexual reasons though.  There's so much more to life.

Tried a vibrator and it didn't work. I am guessing the fact that my clit was healed over doesn't help ether lol. That may be the problem? But I can not afford revision surgery, so I guess I am stuck.

No I did not have it for sexual reasons but not having sexual pleasure makes life feel like I'm missing out on an important part of being human and am broken because of it. Having felt pleasure before srs and now being unable to only makes it more painful.




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Dena

Have you tried foreplay? If your by yourself, set aside a half hour or more where you can be totally relaxed. Laying in a relaxed position, think sexy thoughts. It can be a lover playing with your breasts or caressing your body. If your T levels are sufficient, this should bring you to a state of sexual excitement. If your unable to reach this state, it's difficult to reach a climax. A feminine body operates entirely different than a male body. The advantage of a feminine body is that the experience is a full body experience instead of a somewhat local experience.
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Maybebaby56

Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on August 17, 2018, 02:38:18 PM
Tried a vibrator and it didn't work. I am guessing the fact that my clit was healed over doesn't help ether lol. That may be the problem? But I can not afford revision surgery, so I guess I am stuck.

No I did not have it for sexual reasons but not having sexual pleasure makes life feel like I'm missing out on an important part of being human and am broken because of it. Having felt pleasure before srs and now being unable to only makes it more painful.

Well, hon, vibrators don't work for me, either. I haven't had an orgasm in over three years.  Intercourse was painful, and I can't masturbate. It's not where I wanted to be, but I am going to try testosterone cream, and if that doesn't work I'll try something else. 

I don't want to sound unsympathetic, because I have felt very, very discouraged about my own lack of sexual function. I have recently posted as much in another thread. It's really hard being trans, and transitioning can be hell. For the lucky ones who actually make transition happen, it seems common to compare ourselves to cis-girls and complain about what is wrong with us. I admit that I am guilty of that.

I have no regrets, though. I'd rather be a sexually non-functional female than a functional male.  You say it's not about sex, but all you seem to focus on is lamenting your lack of sexual function. Maybe you forgot from whence you came?  A lot of trans girls never even get a shot at SRS.  Like @Megan said, there is so much more to life than just sex. Like being in love, for example. We are not just our bodies. Isn't that what we tell everyone?   

Be well. I hope you find some peace of mind.

Terri
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives" - Annie Dillard
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PhoenixGurl2016

Quote from: Dena on August 17, 2018, 06:38:30 PM
Have you tried foreplay? If your by yourself, set aside a half hour or more where you can be totally relaxed. Laying in a relaxed position, think sexy thoughts. It can be a lover playing with your breasts or caressing your body. If your T levels are sufficient, this should bring you to a state of sexual excitement. If your unable to reach this state, it's difficult to reach a climax. A feminine body operates entirely different than a male body. The advantage of a feminine body is that the experience is a full body experience instead of a somewhat local experience.

I have tried this and it never worked. I always felt like sh*t afterwards and super depressed. I rather spend my time doing something else.




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PhoenixGurl2016

Quote from: Maybebaby56 on August 17, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Well, hon, vibrators don't work for me, either. I haven't had an orgasm in over three years.  Intercourse was painful, and I can't masturbate. It's not where I wanted to be, but I am going to try testosterone cream, and if that doesn't work I'll try something else. 

I don't want to sound unsympathetic, because I have felt very, very discouraged about my own lack of sexual function. I have recently posted as much in another thread. It's really hard being trans, and transitioning can be hell. For the lucky ones who actually make transition happen, it seems common to compare ourselves to cis-girls and complain about what is wrong with us. I admit that I am guilty of that.

I have no regrets, though. I'd rather be a sexually non-functional female than a functional male.  You say it's not about sex, but all you seem to focus on is lamenting your lack of sexual function. Maybe you forgot from whence you came?  A lot of trans girls never even get a shot at SRS.  Like @Megan said, there is so much more to life than just sex. Like being in love, for example. We are not just our bodies. Isn't that what we tell everyone?   

Be well. I hope you find some peace of mind.

Terri

You are 100% right and I am trying to get past that and open myself up. It is always a process.




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Mendi

Like I said before, you perhaps need to find someone right for you, who will get you excited and aroused.

Also, depending on whatkind of person you are, you might need somekind of other stimulation well before any sex is even in consideration;

- Reading, something romantic, perhaps something sexy or just plain porn?
- Movies, again...from romantic to soft porn
- HC porn...in allkind of flavors. Try out, what worked before might not work now
- Imagination, picturing a date from start to finish and to next morning
- Touching your body all over the place, not just between your legs

I´m 6 weeks post-op now and I have no idea if I´m able to achieve orgasm ever again or not. But what I can tell you, that I´m super horny. I mean really. I have a really hard time of controlling myself and trying to follow the 2 month rule from surgeon that no sex. When 2 months has passed...it´s pants off!

And to be honest, even if I don´t achieve orgasm, I can feel, that I can enjoy sex in a different way than before. It´s not about orgasm. My horny feeling is not even about orgasm, it´s something else.

You need to find that something else!
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PhoenixGurl2016

Quote from: Mendi on August 18, 2018, 01:11:54 AM
Like I said before, you perhaps need to find someone right for you, who will get you excited and aroused.

Also, depending on whatkind of person you are, you might need somekind of other stimulation well before any sex is even in consideration;

- Reading, something romantic, perhaps something sexy or just plain porn?
- Movies, again...from romantic to soft porn
- HC porn...in allkind of flavors. Try out, what worked before might not work now
- Imagination, picturing a date from start to finish and to next morning
- Touching your body all over the place, not just between your legs

I´m 6 weeks post-op now and I have no idea if I´m able to achieve orgasm ever again or not. But what I can tell you, that I´m super horny. I mean really. I have a really hard time of controlling myself and trying to follow the 2 month rule from surgeon that no sex. When 2 months has passed...it´s pants off!

And to be honest, even if I don´t achieve orgasm, I can feel, that I can enjoy sex in a different way than before. It´s not about orgasm. My horny feeling is not even about orgasm, it´s something else.

You need to find that something else!

I have not been horny after srs:(




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Mendi

Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on August 18, 2018, 01:15:19 AM
I have not been horny after srs:(

Were you active sexually before srs? And sorry if I´m asking too personal questions.

Just wondering what´s the difference between people is. I was never really that active sexually and now I feel a bit freakish, as I´m going through the roof with my horny feelings and I hear everybody else saying, that after srs you wont even think about sex until after months and months. And I´ve been like this for few weeks already.
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PhoenixGurl2016

Quote from: Mendi on August 18, 2018, 01:25:27 AM
Were you active sexually before srs? And sorry if I´m asking too personal questions.

Just wondering what´s the difference between people is. I was never really that active sexually and now I feel a bit freakish, as I´m going through the roof with my horny feelings and I hear everybody else saying, that after srs you wont even think about sex until after months and months. And I´ve been like this for few weeks already.

I was before I transitioned not after and before the surgery.




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Lisa_K

Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on August 17, 2018, 02:38:18 PM
... I am guessing the fact that my clit was healed over doesn't help either lol. That may be the problem? But I can not afford revision surgery, so I guess I am stuck.

Not necessarily. I don't even have a clitoris* but miraculously can still bring myself to orgasm but my libido and interest in sex in general and ability to do this at all is tied directly into adding Prometrium (micronized bio-identical progesterone) into my HRT regime. Without it, I'm pretty flat but that's not saying I don't enjoy sex or that I don't have pleasure, it's just that orgasms are elusive and therefore aren't necessarily a goal I feel unsatisfied or frustrated about if they don't happen.

Some have suggested testosterone cream or gel but personally, the thought of that freaks me out a little even though some swear by it and some doctors recommend it. Things work best for me when my estrogen levels are a little higher than the often targeted 150 to 200 pg/mL range via injectable estradiol valerate and I'm taking the Prometrium every day. Then my desire for sex, be it though masturbation or with a partner is almost a nuisance and I can bring myself to orgasm reliably and regularly. On estrogen alone, this has never been the case for me. The progesterone has been my magic sex bullet without any of the potential side effects of higher testosterone levels. (my T is very low like 5 to 11 ng/dL)

Some say Prometrium makes them feel sleepy or woozy or weird but I've never noticed that in the least. Just hornieness. If you haven't tried it, it might be worth a shot for six months to see if it helps?

I've been on hormones since I was 17 and have probably taken every different formulation they've come up with in the 46 years since then, even some of the stuff we now know isn't good for you. I've even gone through a few periods in my life where I wasn't on any HRT at all for a several years at a time. Nothing has done more for me in the sexy time department and ability to make my stupid body have an orgasm as taking Prometrium with my estrogen. YMMV but I would discuss it with your provider. Without it, I don't even feel like having sex and orgasms become elusive, difficult and infrequent. I like it better when they aren't that. Much better! :)
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* Since you do have some anatomical concerns, I'll go on to tell you about my body

True story. I don't even have a clitoris. It fell off! I had surgery 41 years ago in 1977 and the technique and parts used for constructing the clitoris weren't as developed as they are in the modern era. Nowadays, the clitoris is fashioned from the glans penis leaving the dorsal nerve intact and it's pulled up through a little hole they make in the right spot above the urethra.

This animation illustrates the process if you haven't seen it.



In my case, the glans penis was used to form a pseudo cervix which was pretty dumb and pointless and the dorsal nerve was cut in the general clitoral area. A cosmetic clitoris was created from leftover corpus spongiosum which has some erectile capability and it was pulled up through that same little hole they still make and use with a suture looped around it to hold it in place. Somewhat often though, that little loop of stitch was tied too tight cutting off blood flow to the little fellow and necrosis was the result. This happened to me. I have no visual clitoris and even if I did, it wouldn't have been connected to the dorsal nerve anyway.

Commonly, natal females have a buried clitoris or it's completely hooded over and can't come out to play so the visual lack of me having one never really bothered me and none of my sexual partners have ever said anything about it. If I look really closely and move things around, I can even find the little 1.5mm hole where it would have been pulled through which is a little weird but kind of interesting. I don't make a habit of looking at my genitals though.

But, the end of my cut dorsal nerve is somewhere in the clitoral location and is my most sensate area but it takes A LOT of direct pressure to get to it. A lot more than you would think and sometimes even fingers aren't enough and I have to use something hard.  A light touch, vibrators or cunnilingus feels about as good as touching my elbow which is kind of a drag but I do know what it takes for me to reach orgasm and don't really have a problem showing other interested parties what it takes.

For 85% of natal females, penetrative intercourse alone without supplemental clitoral stimulation rarely if ever results in orgasm and this has been true for me as well even if I technically don't have a clitoris. What feels good to me is still in the same area but it just takes a ton of pressure to get deep enough to hit the nerves that give me the O.

Maybe you're just being too gentle especially if your magic bits were healed over? Just a thought. I, like others are only trying to help but I certainly can understand your frustration and disappointment.

QuoteNo I did not have it for sexual reasons

I did or being able to sexually function normally was certainly a big factor for me whether orgasm was to be a part of that or not? There seems to be a taboo citing any sort of sexual motivation for having SRS that I'm not quite sure I understand but I'm a little different and there's a lot of things I don't understand.

Quotenot having sexual pleasure makes life feel like I'm missing out on an important part of being human and am broken because of it.

I'm sorry you feel that way but don't let this snowball into a self-fulfilling prophecy or get too stuck in a loop thinking that you're broken. Attitude and perception goes a long way finding happiness. Sorry if it sounds mean to say that.
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Mendi

Quote from: Lisa_K on August 18, 2018, 03:11:57 PM
There seems to be a taboo citing any sort of sexual motivation for having SRS that I'm not quite sure I understand but I'm a little different and there's a lot of things I don't understand.

My thoughts exactly and one reason why I think I´m now suddenly super horny.

The times that I had sex as a male in 20+ years can be counted with two hands and from those, half were more than disappointments. But it didn´t mean that I didn´t want sex, just not with the things that I had, as there was no connection between my brain and the thing.

I can admit, that for me SRS in order of importance was; Social acceptance, sexual function and body image. And body image being the least of worries, as before SRS I rarely was naked anywhere.

But yes, it´s a taboo to say, that I wanted SRS to enjoy sex finally in this life! And I´m saying it. I wanted to enjoy sex too!

I don´t really care what people say or think. People say all sorts of thing. Who cares.
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Aibhilín

I think a lot of us like to constantly remain hopeful and positive as transitioning is pretty awful enough without the additional problems. The issue with this is that we sometimes fail to accept that sometimes some of us ARE broken by SRS. Some of us come out the other end completely void of any kind of sexual function, at least in the genital region. When people give all of the cosmo-esque advice about foreplay and romantic literature, they fail to understand that when you have NOTHING, zero, nada in the genital region, a flick through 50 shades of grey isn't going to suddenly fill you with vitality again. One can't experience pleasure (let alone orgasm) from reading erotica and rubbing their knee-cap which is about as much sensation as my genitalia has now 2 years post-op.

There comes a point where it's probably healthier to just accept that surgery went wrong and a lot of what most women are capable of sexually, you aren't and it sucks but we have to get over it some how.
And don't worry, I get you about the masturbating and becoming depressed thing, but it's been 2 years for me and I have absolutely nothing resembling pleasure downstairs and it sounds like you're in the same boat, so I have been actively trying to accept it and move on somehow.

-Clitoris? What clitoris?
-Vibrators? Nope, may as well put it on my thigh.
-Penetration? What for? My prostate or "G-spot" has completely died from all the years of HRT to the point where I can't ACTUALLY locate it nor feel it.

I'm not trying to be a negative nancy, I'm just being realistic. Nor am I saying that you ARE "broken", I'm just saying you could be which is a reality a lot of people here don't want to acknowledge. By broken I don't mean anything bad, purely that you no longer function sexually.

You have my utmost sympathy, as I had my surgery at 21 and i'm now 23. I know the feeling of utter despair and jealousy related to losing everything downstairs, especially as a young person who's supposed to be in the "sexual prime of their life".

The only thing I get from attempting to feel something or anything downstairs is sexual frustration and depression.
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PhoenixGurl2016

This is the most real and honest reply I have gotten yet (nothing against anyone else). Thank you. I just wanted to know I am not alone *hug*

Quote from: Aibhilín on September 10, 2018, 09:44:39 PM
I think a lot of us like to constantly remain hopeful and positive as transitioning is pretty awful enough without the additional problems. The issue with this is that we sometimes fail to accept that sometimes some of us ARE broken by SRS. Some of us come out the other end completely void of any kind of sexual function, at least in the genital region. When people give all of the cosmo-esque advice about foreplay and romantic literature, they fail to understand that when you have NOTHING, zero, nada in the genital region, a flick through 50 shades of grey isn't going to suddenly fill you with vitality again. One can't experience pleasure (let alone orgasm) from reading erotica and rubbing their knee-cap which is about as much sensation as my genitalia has now 2 years post-op.

There comes a point where it's probably healthier to just accept that surgery went wrong and a lot of what most women are capable of sexually, you aren't and it sucks but we have to get over it some how.
And don't worry, I get you about the masturbating and becoming depressed thing, but it's been 2 years for me and I have absolutely nothing resembling pleasure downstairs and it sounds like you're in the same boat, so I have been actively trying to accept it and move on somehow.

-Clitoris? What clitoris?
-Vibrators? Nope, may as well put it on my thigh.
-Penetration? What for? My prostate or "G-spot" has completely died from all the years of HRT to the point where I can't ACTUALLY locate it nor feel it.

I'm not trying to be a negative nancy, I'm just being realistic. Nor am I saying that you ARE "broken", I'm just saying you could be which is a reality a lot of people here don't want to acknowledge. By broken I don't mean anything bad, purely that you no longer function sexually.

You have my utmost sympathy, as I had my surgery at 21 and i'm now 23. I know the feeling of utter despair and jealousy related to losing everything downstairs, especially as a young person who's supposed to be in the "sexual prime of their life".

The only thing I get from attempting to feel something or anything downstairs is sexual frustration and depression.




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Aibhilín

Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on September 10, 2018, 10:01:38 PM
This is the most real and honest reply I have gotten yet (nothing against anyone else). Thank you. I just wanted to know I am not alone *hug*

You're most welcome. You are definitely not alone.
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Complete

This is some tough love from Aibhilín. Pretty rare around here.  Nevertheless, l will offer my two cents. I suggest a session with Dr. Hitachi. Make sure you are forth coming with your favourite erotic fantasy. Of
course if you are totally insensate, can't feel a thing in that area then perhaps even my good friend Dr. HITACHI  will be unable to help.
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Brenda80

I really do not know what a female orgasm feels like or that's at least what I think.
I had my SRS done 5months ago. Currently I would say still in the healing stages?
Sensations well I would say are pretty numb in the region, its like feeling a layer of skin on TOP of your original, well not sure if that is the best way to describe.
Recently I have been trying to see if my sensations or at least the sensitivity of the region and well fingering does nothing much to help.... after several attempts I almost gave up, which is then I realised that the mind is the key control to getting me aroused (well I Guess it takes some effort), honestly I can understand why some feels difficult to get aroused, me too. The momentum to it comes as quick and fast as it goes. So to sustain to push for an orgasm, I would say is pretty challenging. The sex drive can easily go uphill midway and the next just come crashing down where you just feel like giving up.
My initial orgasm really was to keep my mind active and pretty much getting my mind into the sexual role and rubbing my knees in following the flow. I do get some sensations coming from there subsequently but as mentioned, it comes as fast as it goes. Accompanying is some discharge but not much. I need to keep on pushing it, the mind here is the biggest determining factor honestly and it really takes some effort for it.
There will come a point when you reach a peak which will leave your privates clenching repeatedly, but honestly I would say that if this is the climax, perhaps then its not as powerful compared to my old equipment. It's a good feeling but will leave you exhausted and yes there are quite a fair bit of discharge. Clear but sticky. BUT honestly I am not sure if that is an orgasm. I have never attempted more than once as it really leave you exhausted without strength of a repeat. I also would like to know if that is classified as an orgasm?

Seriously to achieve this (perhaps not orgasm) really depends on the mind. As mentioned by others in the forum, it takes massive effort (I am not a sex crazed person) and really need to be in tune with the physical to achieve this. Don't give up, give it a few attempts slowly picking up the momentum each time. I had more than 20 failed attempts before getting the mind to work in tune. Just my 2 cents worth.
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tracya1980

Don't try too hard.  It took me almost two years to have an orgasm despite playing with myself on a continual basis.  Gradually the numb parts became sensate and my first orgasm happened by mistake - I was dilating and it suddenly felt so good and then I got a little buzz and I had a tiny orgasm but it was still an orgasm.  Now I have two kinds of orgasms.  One I call my inside orgasm and the other my outside orgasm.  My inside orgasm happens when I am playing with a dildo or having penetrative sex and it is a whole body orgasm with trembling and shuddering pleasure.  The outside orgasm is when I masturbate my clitoris and rub the area just above the clitoris.  This orgasm is a more localized clitoral orgasm reminiscent of the orgasms I had prior to SRS and in fact I ejaculate a clear fluid most times.  I have no fluid ejaculation at all with my inside orgasm.  So don't give up - I almost did and I am glad that I persevered.

Take care,

Tracy
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