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What can pitch really tell me?

Started by LilDevilOfPrada, August 04, 2018, 03:44:58 PM

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LilDevilOfPrada

I recently tried a voice analyzer application just to get an idea of where my voice lies and I was wondering what is the best way to use this information. The average of my tests just talking how I normally have for well ever is:


  • 235Hz Max Average
  • 190Hz Average
  • 147Hz Min Average

I was wondering if any of this data helps to guide someone for instance does the ~100Hz range show I change between renounce and non-renounce often? Idk I have always been shy to practice my voice but I figure its about time I just got over my shyness as I plan to be full time with 2 years.

I know practices involve lifting ones larynx and such but if I can refine what I need to focus on that would be very helpful.
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Dena

Falling below certain pitches will say male however remaining above them doesn't always say female. Probable for now, what your interested in is this link. It sounds like you have the pitch pretty well worked out so it's a matter of addressing any details that remain.
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DawnOday

Pitch is individual notes. I have been training for over a year with Emily Anderson at Kaiser in Washington. My normal male pitch is in the area of A2 or 110htz  the point where my voice is high enough to suggest a female voice is F#3 or 174 htz. I am now over 90% in holding my pitch. When my pitch falls it is usually at the end of sentences.  Emily told me to watch interviews. I am not young so I picked Meryl Streep and Sally Field who happen to be in my age group. I watch them and study their gestures and style and then try to imitate their mannerisms. The tuner is just a way to visually confirm you are hitting the right pitch. Practice practice practice.
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MissyMay2.0

An average female voice is of course higher pitched than an average male voice, however, there are other key differences as well, such as resonance, inflection at the end of a sentence or word, a sing song rhythm when speaking, and other details that you will develop as you train your voice.
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LilDevilOfPrada

Alright, this all seems promising, great link also! Thanks and sheesh that diagram has a ~50Hz range well I best get to work then refining my voice.
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OU812

#5
Honestly pitch won't tell you a whole lot. Or, let me put it this way - working on pitch won't accomplish a whole lot. If you're speaking naturally, you're going to use a broad range of pitch, the upper end of which is limited by the physiological constraints of your vocal folds themselves.

This is why pitch elevation surgery is so magical. Everybody seems to think, "Oh, it'll help me speak at a higher pitch!" That is not its magic. Its magic is in how it changes your instrument itself - so that, even when you speak at the same pitch as before, it will sound more characteristically female than that pitch did before surgery.

If surgery is inaccessible or not yet obtained, the only real solution is to focus on resonance (lifting the larynx... you eva lived in QUEENS? Try towkin like somewan who grewup in Quwains) and prosody (enunciation, pitch variety, and so on).

As much empathy as I have for anyone working on her voice, I just think it's laughable how much discussion goes on about "Women speak in this pitch range etc etc etc" when it just encourages narrowing the pitch range to a small, strained part of the upper register, to the detriment of literally everything else that will actually make you sound female. Hell, you can speak around 100-200hz and sound brilliantly female... with a very well-practiced (and/or surgically adjusted) instrument!

Example 1: This old lady goes way, way below 100hz, and at her highest barely touches 220hz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FdEOxKpk70&feature=youtu.be&t=53s

Example 2: Janeway speech. Her phrases regularly bottom out at 100hz.


These are not isolated examples, it is much more common for women to be low-pitched than one might imagine - especially in movies, video games, etc.
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LilDevilOfPrada

Seeming the main source of that surgery is located in S. Korea yea thats not possible just yet! Also Thanks for the reply, that is why this tread exists to inform me(Aint I selfish).
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DawnOday

Qu812  I have to disagree that pitch is not important. Of course forward resonance and breathing are all intertwined. You don't have to be dead on, a variance of one or two notes is expected but the real benefits are consistency and confidence. More important is experience and that takes time. If you have an Iphone or Ipad you might try EVA by Kathi Perez for a very good training application.
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OU812

Quote from: DawnOday on August 06, 2018, 05:09:51 PM
Qu812  I have to disagree that pitch is not important. Of course forward resonance and breathing are all intertwined.

Let me put it this way:
If you were to look at all of the vocal variables on their own,
Pitch is the one that would be least likely to get you clocked out of all of them.
Particularly in the classic "telephone test"

Quote from: DawnOday on August 06, 2018, 05:09:51 PMYou don't have to be dead on, a variance of one or two notes is expected...

The videos I linked above prove that you can be off from the "female range" by much, much more than "a variance of one or two notes." The lady in the news stays almost entirely in a range of <100-200Hz. Janeway ends many of her phrases about that low as well, often speaks comfortably around 130-170, and reserves 220+ for elevated speaking or the peaks of her phrases.

I also made the point that pitch, out of all vocal variables, is the least improvable. Everyone's voice is different, but your range is what it is. I say this as someone who spent years passing in broadcasting, using a very narrow upper portion of my range to do so. (I was strongly aware of what sounded passable and what did not.)

The fact is, maintaining such vigilance is incredibly bad for the key problem of gender dysphoria.

If you're constantly aware of what you're doing with your voice, judging your performance moment to moment, worried about the next phrase you're going to say, worried about errant sounds, afraid that coughing fit you just had at work didn't sound womanly at all... etc etc... that is actually really, really unhealthy for you psychologically in the long-term.

The whole point of transition is to liberate yourself from the experience of feeling like an impostor in your own skin, to keep the voice from being a prison. There's obviously value in moderate training that gets the voice "out of the basement" so to say, but trying to only operate the voice at only its highest, most feminine-sounding frequencies takes great effort and will burn it out rather quickly...

...and that's on a good day. What about days when you have a cold, or talked a lot the day before, and everything sounds terrible? I had a "Ukrainian accent" I would slip into to cover myself in these cases, but that's really putting up a serious facade, and the kind of acting that makes one's insufficiency glaringly obvious.

This is why I'm such an advocate for voice feminization glottoplasty. As I said, peoples' conception that this surgery helps you by pushing you to higher pitches is only half true - it does that, but that's not what makes you sound more female in-and-of-itself. The surgery makes all of the pitches in your range that you already had access to sound more feminine on their own, independently of what part of your range you're using.

There are great options available in South Korea, North America, and Europe just within the last 5-10 years. I'm sure more will pop up soon. It's also a relief that it's generally only half the price or less of GRS bottom-surgery. When I transitioned over a decade ago, this kind of glottoplasty was not available or widely known, and voice surgery was generally "for the desperate." But if I were in the same position now as then, I would definitely make feminization glottoplasty my top surgical priority. Not that my GRS itself wasn't a Blessing from the Divine, but the improvement in my quality of life since having voice since surgery is beyond measure!
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Lucca

I still have not practiced a ton, but I find that despite my deep natural voice, I don't have any problem speaking in a high-pitched feminine range most of the time. The problem is that this still sounds pretty fake to me, partly because the pitch itself doesn't really suit someone of my size, so I'm trying to have a smoother tone at a lower pitch, which I find more difficult than having a smoother tone at a high pitch. It's like I can either have a smooth tone with a voice that's too high, or I can have a lower pitched voice that's still higher than my natural voice but doesn't have a smooth tone.
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DawnOday

https://www.susans.org/wiki/Voice
https://leanandfit.info/independent-voice-feminization-study-course-review/

Please read the instructions on our wiki. While I see resonance and breathing are components, pitch appears several times in the article. 

This from Kathe Perez 
>>> Everything from articulation, pitch, breathing as well as body posture is integrated and put to practical use.


Lesson # 1 (The Introduction Class)



This is the very first lesson of the crash course wherein you are familiarized with the basic concepts of voice transformation/modulation. The correct breathing and posture is covered in this episode. Kathe would also explain the main principles of obtaining a feminine voice.



Here are the highlights of this lesson:



>>> You learn the art of developing a feminine pitch that is flawless in nature.

>>> You are taught the ability to hold onto that pitch for as long as you desire.

>>> There are practice sessions that are to be followed diligently on a daily basis that would help blend this newly acquired voice as your everyday speech mechanism.

>>> You shall be taught 'metacognition' methods that help in developing the feminine touch to your otherwise husky (manly) voice. This process is further sped-up via the mechanism of 'proprioception'.

>>> Any blockage to this voice transformation process is removed permanently.


Dawn Oday

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