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Started by KathyLauren, August 08, 2018, 08:08:28 PM

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KathyLauren

There seem to be quite a few aviators and aviatrices (plural of aviatrix) on the forum.  So I thought it would be fun to have a thread where we can introduce ourselves and talk about flying stuff.  It is open to anyone involved in flying, whether professional or private, military or civilian, flight crew, cabin crew or ground crew.  "War stories" encouraged.

I'll start.  I joined the RCAF (At the time, it was technically Air Command of the Canadian Armed Forces) in 1973 while I was in university.  I graduated with my wings in 1977, trained as an instructor, and flew the Tutor jet as an instructor from 1978 to 1982.  I quit then due to an internal moral conflict about being a soldier. 



But, damn, it was fun flying!  I got to do every kind of flying you can imagine: VFR nav, low-level nav, IFR, cross-country, formation, aerobatics.  And I loved the teaching. 

One regret I have was that, when I got out, I didn't go into some kind of civilian teaching.  I tried to get a flying job when I got out, but there were unemployed pilots sweeping out hangar floors at the time.  So I went with plan B and got into IT.  I kept up a private license for a while, but it was expensive.  All I did was fly circuits enough that the flying club would rent me another plane three months later.  Bo-o-o-oring!  When I got checked out at the flying club, the instructor scolded me for doing my turns in the traffic pattern at 45 degrees of bank.  He thought that was "steep".  We used to do them at 60 degrees and 2Gs.

So I don't fly any more.  But I love to talk about it.

What about you all?

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HappyMoni

It's about time this thread took off. From the looks of it, its a good place to get high. My mood is elevated already. I suspect there is plenty of plane talk ahead.  Don't mind me, I just flew in from New York and girl are my arms tired. (Can you tell that I didn't want to be left out but know nothing about planes?) So buckle your seat belts, its gonna be a bumpy ride. Oh well Kathy, I tried. It's time I folded up my flaps and went home.
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KathyLauren

Quote from: HappyMoni on August 08, 2018, 08:28:28 PM
It's about time this thread took off. From the looks of it, its a good place to get high. My mood is elevated already. I suspect there is plenty of plane talk ahead.  Don't mind me, I just flew in from New York and girl are my arms tired. (Can you tell that I didn't want to be left out but know nothing about planes?) So buckle your seat belts, its gonna be a bumpy ride. Oh well Kathy, I tried. It's time I folded up my flaps and went home.
Moni
Hey, Moni, this would be a great place for passenger tales, too!
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Northern Star Girl

Quote from: KathyLauren on August 08, 2018, 08:34:53 PM
Hey, Moni, this would be a great place for passenger tales, too!

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@Donica
       ... and other aviation enthusiasts


I am definitely not an aviator/pilot but I will be checking in on this thread very often
as anything aviation has always piqued my interest.

Thank you so very much Kathy for starting this thread.

Hugs,
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Jayne01

Hi Kathy,

Thank you for starting this thread. It has prompted me to dig out my log book. Wow, my first flying lesson was April 22 1997. The last time I flew was November 17 2004. During that time I only managed to accumulate 84.3 hours, but I did get my single engine private pilot licence and a constant speed prop endorsement in that time. Life got in the way and it became too expensive to keep flying for any meaningful length of time. Like you, I would do some circuits just to keep up my currency. Boring indeed! I would love to start flying again, I really miss it.

I do get to keep myself close to planes with my job though. As many of you already know, I maintain aircraft for a large airline. After doing this job for over 25 years, I still look towards the runway in wonder as I watch fully laden A380s taking to the sky weighing in at around 600,000 kg. It's a pretty cool sight to see.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this thread evolves.

Hugs,
Jayne
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KatieP

Wooooo Hoooooo!!!

I have loved flying and therefore airplanes for longer than I have actual memories. I wanted to fly since about 5 minutes after I knew I was a girl, which is a VERY long time ago.

I ALWAYS wanted to fly my own airplane. When I was in college, I told myself, "When I get out of college I will learn how to fly." I got out of college and decided I couldn't afford it. I told myself, "If I ever make $20,000, I will learn to fly." $20,00 came and went. I told myself, "If I ever make $30,000, I will learn to fly." It didn't take me long to realize I would never learn to fly. So, in 1991, I started taking lessons. In 1992, with a whole 48 hours of experience, the FAA told me I was legal to fly myself and other people. THEY were out of their minds!

I then decided I need to keep learning, and got my Instrument Rating, and later my Commercial license. (This was fun because I could then fly the "Dog fight" type flights for a local company.) There weren't many more training options, so I worked to get my CFI, which I have kept for the past 20 years, in spite of 9-11 putting a huge crimp in the flight instruction business.

I have owned several airplanes, the latest of which was a 1967 Beech V35-TC. It was an amazing plane. Towards the end of ownership of that plane, I realized I was not flying much, and the plane was rotting. I sold it for about half of the market value to a guy in TX who really, really wanted the plane but could not nearly afford it. He still owns it, according to the FAA.

I am currently a member of a local flying club, but even so, I travel for work so much that I almost never get to fly myself, in spite of it being pretty much a life-long passion.

I have noticed MANY people on this forum mentioning aviation. It seems to me there is a correlation between being Trans and being a pilot. VERY interesting!!

Anyway, thanks for starting this thread!!! The two most interesting things in my entire life, and they are both in the same thread. Just a bit of heaven...

Katie
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Kirsteneklund7

Hi Kathy & Jayne & Danielle,
I don't tell many people this but I am a closet aerosexual! My day job is maintaining a fleet of Beech 200s & Beech 400s for an aeromedical outfit. I also maintained a private pilot's licence in the 80s & 90s flying mighty Cessna 150s&152s!  Nice to hear fellow aviators out there. I also love working alongside nurses, paramedics and doctors.
Nice posts by the way.
Kirsten X.

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Dani

Quote from: KatieP on August 08, 2018, 11:20:52 PM
I have noticed MANY people on this forum mentioning aviation. It seems to me there is a correlation between being Trans and being a pilot. VERY interesting!!

Another pilot here!

I think there are many more people interested in flying than are actually flying their own aircraft.
Flying is expensive and transition is expensive. Very few people can do both at the same time.

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Chloe

Quote from: KatieP on August 08, 2018, 11:20:52 PMcorrelation between being Trans and being a pilot. VERY interesting!!

         Been a while since flying SIM but see Squawkbox and VatSim are still operational! Combine them with MS Flight Simulator and it's about as real as it gets! "Enya" copyright trolls at Youtube musta missed this one -> 'youtu.be/3nClYU7ksvw' (PanAm VA is now history, off-line)  Father's best pilot friend in the late 60's was a transexual during a time when women weren't allowed to fly so "validation" for her came in the form of "your fired"!

         Those early stories were my first experience with "trans". Dad was an instructor too so as an early teen first (and only) real AC I learned to start, taxi and takeoff in was a PA707 @ JFK's cargo building in New York . . . now only a very sad memory indeed!
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Donica

OMG you guys! We have to get together over coffee and hanger talk! I started flying back in the late 80's and flew into the late 90's. I started in a Cessna 152 and then checked out in a 172 and Piper Archer. Good old Piper 43056. I held a VFR rating and missed the chance for an IFR rating. I missed out on getting a high performance rating too. Just SEL with only 426 hours. I couldn't justify the expense of flying while raising two Kids. So I gave up my wings but, I still fly CR (Radio Control). You can never keep a pilot down. One way or another, we are going to find a way to keep flying.

Oh yes, they really don't like 45, 60 and especiallt not 90 degree bank turns in the traffic pattern ;).

Hugs!
Donica.
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Colleen_definitely

Well KathyLauren wins this one with the turbine qualification.  Those are neat jets.

Personally most of my stick time is in a Schweizer SGS 2-33 sailplane, with a bit in an L-23 Super Blanik, Grob G103, and my sole powered stick time is in a Rutan Long-EZ (that was a blast.)

Lately all of my flying has been as a passenger for work but I have plans to finally get my license in a few years.
As our ashes turn to dust, we shine like stars...
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Colleen_definitely on August 09, 2018, 08:51:29 AMmy sole powered stick time is in a Rutan Long-EZ (that was a blast.)
I have lusted for a Long-EZ for years.  It would be so much fun to fly.  There are even jet conversions.  Gotta start buying lottery tickets, I guess.
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Colleen_definitely

Yes one with a turbine would be super cool, until it came to paying for maintenance  :o

It was extremely nimble and it's just a pretty plane on top of that.
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steph2.0

#13
My story is a bit different, I guess. Back in 1984 my friend asked me if I'd ever heard of something called an ultralight. I had no idea, but when he said they were little airplanes it rekindled a fire that will never go out.

My dad got his certificate when I was about 6 years old and bought a Stinson 108-1 Voyager. I loved that plane and flying, and more than once woke up with mohair imprints on my face from falling asleep against the upholstery in the back seat of that old classic. We couldn't really afford it, though, so it was gone in about two years and flying was put on the back burner. Then when I was about 16 he got the bug again and bought a C model Ercoupe. It was a neat little plane, but without rudder pedals of course. It had the third wheel on the wrong end and those steering wheel thingies, but I didn't know better then.




So in 1984 my friend and I bought matching Teratorn Tierra ultralights. I believe they were about $4,600 each, and I traded my sailboat for mine. They had Rotax 277 28hp single cylinder two-stroke engines. The instructor had a two seat version and agreed to train us, and I soloed in 6.5 hours in my own plane. That was on December 5th, 1984. I loved that little plane, but due to flying alone (my friend developed other interests and let his plane rot), open air flying in Michigan winters, and the slowness of the cruise (45mph, though stall was about 15), I only put 160 hours in it in 10 years.

Not my plane, but the same model.


After joining an active ultralight group and not being able to keep up with anyone, I built a Rans S-4 Coyote. It was a big jump. Enclosed, 52hp Rotax 503, cabin heat, and a real performer for an ultralight. I started flying it in 1993, and immediately started logging 150 hours a year. So many stories to tell from the three years I owned it...



After a few years I got the bug to try water flying. Being a Parrothead, it had to be a flying boat. I also trained to be an ultralight Basic Flight Instructor, which gave me the right to fly a two-seater. In 1996 I built an Aventura 2 with a 65hp Rotax 582. If you haven't flown off of water, I highly recommend you try it. It's an obscene amount of fun. My build log is here: http://lonepalmaero.com/aventura/




Seaplanes are great fun, but again I was flying alone if I headed for the water, since none of my friends had float planes. We could all land on the water, but I was the only one who could take off again. Flying was as much about the social aspect as the fun and skill of piloting, so I went looking for something new. About this time I befriended the unique and eclectic owner of CGS Aviation. I decided my next plane would be one of his Hawks. I started building it in 2001. In the middle of the build I moved to Florida, so it didn't get finished until early 2003. It was my first build using "dope and fabric" instead of presewn Dacron sailcloth covers. I developed my covering skills with the Polyfiber process on this plane, and it ended up winning awards at Sun-N-Fun every year I took it, culminating in Grand Champion Light Plane in 2009. The build log is here.



Back when I was flying the Coyote, our group got into inter-club competitions with others in the Michigan and Indiana area. It was incredible fun, and we developed a reputation for showing up and taking all the awards home. The tasks were just fun stuff, like beanbag drops, spot landings, lawn bowling, and some simple navigation tasks. Those watching from the ground had almost as much fun as we did. Then things started to heat up. We developed National Competitions, and the tasks started getting more serious. Deadstick landings, fuel economy tasks, and precision navigation based solely on pilotage - charts and a stopwatch. I helped develop a tracking system based on putting a sealed GPS on the plane with the tracking log activated. After landing, we uploaded the log to a computer and overlaid the track on a chart. Before then we'd have to have an observer on the ground at every checkpoint. This was a lot more accurate and only took one person on the computer.

Then we found out about international competition. In 2003 the World Microlight Championships were held in Long Marston, England, and I won a spot on the US team. But... I didn't have a suitable plane. I got with the owner of CGS, and bought a single seat Hawk Sport kit. I had about 6 months to get it built and tested and learn the speeds and feeds, so it was a mad scramble. But what a fun plane! I wish I still had it today. Build pictures, in seemingly random order, are here. I put it, along with two other planes, in a shipping container and sent it off to England on a boat. We followed a month later, and it was an incredible experience. We thought we were good, but the Europeans do this all the time, and left us in the dust. The tasks were incredibly intense, and they threw at least four of them at us a day, for 5 days straight. It didn't help that in the three weeks before the competition, when we were staying in a cottage in the Cotswolds, it was incredibly hot and dry, but the week of he competition the weather reverted to typical UK standards: cold, low ceilings, windy, and rainy. The best I can say was that in the class I was flying in, I was the best single-seat fixed-wing American pilot in the world. That means, out of 10 in our class, we Americans finished 8th, 9th, and 10th. I was 8th.



Back home, I started putting my skills to work and teamed up with CGS to build planes for them. I started up my  (own company), and over the time I worked with them, I must have built or rebuilt about 12 of them. I got to be known as the expert on that particular plane. Even now, years after I moved on, I get calls with questions about them. Unfortunately, they ask for someone who no longer exists, if you know what I mean. If it's a simple question I just answer it and move on, but if it gets in-depth, I end up having to out myself. Surprisingly, I've never had any problem with it.

During this time I continued to do competitions with my beloved single seat Hawk. I took second place in the Nationals in 2004, then in 2006 I won National Champion. And that was the last Nationals held in the US. So I am still officially US National Ultralight Champion 12 years later. Of course, his name is on the certificate, but we know who they're talking about.

I worked with the new owner of CGS for a while after the old owner sold out, but it was an uncomfortable arrangement and we parted ways after a few years. With the new Light Sport category starting to supplant ultralights, I found a cool little plane being manufactured in Italy, and when they came looking for US dealers I signed up. The Groppo Trail is a great plane, but business is nearly non-existent for an imported kit that uses metric hardware. My website for it is  here. I have a kit of my own that I'm slowly building, and I take work where I can building, restoring, or rebuilding other experimental aircraft, but have pretty much gone into semi-retirement mode.



I did build a plane with a friend recently. It's another Rans, this time their relatively new S-20 Raven. After we'd had it flying for a while he bought me out, but I do get temporary custody occasionally when he brings it back for work. Since I built it, I was eligible for the official FAA maintenance certificate, so I just did its first annual condition inspection. Build pictures, again in random order here.



With the S-20 gone and my kit still partially built, I fixed a neighbors plane with the understanding that I'd donate the labor in trade for flying time. It's an Aeroprakt A-20 Valor, and a sweet flyer but with a nose wheel and steering wheel thingies. I much prefer a Taildragger with sticks. The only advantage to yokes, as I told my neighbor, is you can fly it in a skirt. He said he'd keep that in mind.



I have tons and tons of stories to tell about the almost 4000 hours of recreational flying I have. Maybe some other day...

Flying with @SassyCassie



Stephanie


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steph2.0

Quote from: HappyMoni on August 08, 2018, 08:28:28 PM
It's about time this thread took off. From the looks of it, its a good place to get high. My mood is elevated already. I suspect there is plenty of plane talk ahead.  Don't mind me, I just flew in from New York and girl are my arms tired. (Can you tell that I didn't want to be left out but know nothing about planes?) So buckle your seat belts, its gonna be a bumpy ride. Oh well Kathy, I tried. It's time I folded up my flaps and went home.
Moni

Not to be a spoiler, but watch your attitude.


Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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KathyLauren

Stephanie, that's an amazing number of aircraft!  You have way more hours than I have.

My brother had an Ercoupe just like the one in your photo.  I'll have to check with him if he still has it.  I did a crosswind landing in it one time.  What a hoot!  It's not like a crosswind landing in any other plane.  You just crab it down onto the runway until the wheels castor it straight.  It definitely felt wrong, but apparently that's what you do.  That is also the reason for the tricycle landing gear.  For the mains to caster properly in a crosswind landing, the centre of gravity needs to be forward of them, which doesn't work with a taildragger.
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Donica

Wow Stephanie! You have truly been a very busy girl. Did you ever see the J3 Kitten ultralight by Hipp's Superbirds? If not, it's an almost identical looking ultralight version of the J3 Cub. I sooo wanted one. I believe the kit sold for somewhere around $8000. They claimed it was rated for 6 positive G's and 4 negative G's, making it aerobatic. Maybe some day, If they still make them?

I'm sure everyone remembers Jim Bede's Silver Bullet? My best friend is Jim's nephew. So, being a friend of the family, Jim Bede sent me a set of plans for both the BD-5J and the BD-10J. The BD-10J was a wicked F-15 looking jet. The cost was way over my head.

Maybe some day! I will get one of each when I win the lottery  ;D.

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Chloe

Quote from: Steph2.0 on August 09, 2018, 01:43:54 PM
Not to be a spoiler, but watch your attitude.

lol Wait a sec: thought "spoilers" decrease altitude (fast)? Wouldn't you'd want "flaps" for more attitude? Suppose the more correct term would be "speed brakes"?
"But it's no use now," thought poor Alice, "to pretend be two people!
"Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make one respectable person!"
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Faith

HEY! A topic about aviation, cool. I flew one that I folded myself, does that count?
I left the door open, only a few came through. such is my life.
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Donica

Quote from: Faith on August 11, 2018, 07:49:04 AM
HEY! A topic about aviation, cool. I flew one that I folded myself, does that count?

Sure! Tell us which fold style you did? Jet, Glider?
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