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Started by Alice (nym), September 15, 2018, 10:13:41 AM

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ItsAbiKay

Quote from: Nym on September 20, 2018, 10:10:35 AM
So I took a big step today. I opened up to my wife. As I said she knew this bit about me. She was quite tearful but supportive. We made some agreements.

That's fantastic, Nym. I'm delighted and so proud of you for having the courage to reopen up with your wife after all this time.

Quote from: Nym on September 20, 2018, 10:10:35 AMFirstly, she wants me to open up to my GP and seek help with a proper gender therapist. Even though I've made an appointment to talk with a therapist, I agreed with her. The more I've read and learned, the more I realise that I need specialist help.

That is definitely the right call. You need to get this out there with someone who is experienced without fear of judgement and you'll get that with therapy.

These are all huge steps for you and it's great that you do have the support of your wife. I understand that it means that you won't be together but it would be a parting on good terms from what I'm reading. I do hope you get to where you need to go.

Thinking of you and wishing you all the luck in the world
Abi x
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Alice (nym)

OK so I thought I would give a little update on where things are at the moment.

Firstly, my emotions are still all over the place... huge troughs and peaks. One moment I am excited and the next I am really down and depressed. It is not every few seconds like before and I am not shaking with them anymore. I will go to bed elated and wake up depressed but beginning to rise, peaks about 1pm and then I start entering depression again, bottoms out about 6pm and then begins to rise again. It is emotionally draining... but I am slowly, not getting them under control, but learning to cope with them.

Secondly, I had to cancel the appointment with the general therapist because it clashed with the appointment I had made with my GP and only the GP can refer me to a Gender Identity Clinic. So GP>general therapist.

My appointment with my GP was on Thursday. It was a nice day and the surgery is a little over a mile away, so I decided to walk. I find walking helps calm me down and gather my thoughts on how I was going to approach him with my Big Secret. However, the closer I got to the surgery, the most I started to drag my feet. Until I realised I was going to be late, which, meant I had to quicken my pace. So I arrived a little flustered, very anxious, and a little panicky.

Thankfully, I didn't have long to wait. I went up the stairs, thinking, 'this is it. I hope you know what you are doing. No turning back now'. I knocked and entered. He greeted me and asked what can he do for me....

'I'm not sure how to say this, I've been thinking about how I was going to say it all week, but, I would like you to refer me to a Gender Identity Clinic to see a Gender therapist'... the words might not have been exactly like that but that's more or less what I think I said.

He replied along the lines of, 'I suppose this isn't something you've just thought about but have been thinking about for a while'.

I said, 'yes, I've been suffering with gender dysphoria since I was 2 years old but have kept it to myself. Until recently, the only person who I had ever told in person was my wife before we married because I thought she had a right to know before we married.'

and then I told him the full story from start to finish and the episode with my friend and how I was unable to control my emotions and unable to put the lid back down on the box. I wasn't really paying attention to him as I spoke but when I finished and looked up...

I swear he was excited at the prospect of treating me. He was positively jumping in his seat. I guessed the prospect of something new to make a change from all the daily routine bad back, cold, rash, cough etc. stuff he normally has to deal with was exciting for him. He said that it is very rare for him to deal with people with gender identity issues and has only ever treated one other person a long time ago and he would need to bring himself back up to speed on what has been happening in that sector since then.

He was very positive and nice about it. Non-judgemental. I had made a list of sites for him to check out in case he was unfamiliar, including the details for being referred to the closest GIC. He said that the girls on reception would be able to find the information for him and that made me a little anxious. I told him I was tired of hiding and was going to be honest if people asked but that didn't mean I was going to shout out loud and tell the world... at least not at this stage. If things progress down the line, then perhaps I will join the fight on the front lines but for now, it is still a very private thing for me and I am still trying to deal with the demons of shame from 44 years of hiding who I am. My doctor might not know the rest of my family and I trust him not to say anything, but the girls on reception, they are local girls, they will know who my family are and my extended family are quite large in the region where I live. I am related to more than a quarter of the village. I might even be related to one of the girls on reception in a round about way. So that made me nervous.

Anyhow, I digress, So he told me he would give me a ring after he had spoken with the GIC and let me know. I walked home feeling a lot lighter as though a weight had been lifted and I was in an elated mood. Then as the minutes turned to hours, the sinking dread started creeping back in. I was feeling a little low when I took my daughter to her karate class at the local highschool. After dropping her off, the senior netball team were waiting for their minibus for a game... most men would've probably been leering at the short skirts that made up their uniform, I was just jealous I wasn't one of them... it surprised me the intensity of the gender dysphoria I felt just then. I ended up sitting in the car for an hour until my daughter had finished her lesson. Trying to pull myself back together.

When we got back home, my wife told me that I had missed the call from the doctor. That made for an anxious and depressing night. I was emotionally drained, so rather than chat with Steffi and Moni who have been AMAZING! Seriously amazing and incredibly helpful... without their support I wouldn't have progressed much from my original post, I would've been shaking and hiding in the closet, falling apart into a nervous breakdown. No words can thank them enough... so rather than chat with them, I just went to bed.

I was hoping for the call in the morning. I was nervous and anxious. The minutes turned to hours and I tried to stay busy by working on an online course I am doing. Eventually the call came about 1.30pm. The doctor had spoken with the GIC and they were happy to see me. So he'd completed the referral forms and I was now in the system. Currently waiting to hear from them about when they can fit me in. I am expecting a long waiting list, so I am prepared for that.

So now I am in the system. Anyone doing a security background check on me will know. That thought made me anxious... but now I am thinking LOL... anyone checking will finally be able to realise why my psych tests are incapable of putting me into a box.

So now it is just sit back and wait. Try and control my emotions. Continue observing how the sexes behave... spent a week being super observant watching people on the playground waiting to pick up their child. The way women stand compared to men, the way they walk, how they fidget less, keep their legs closer together, shift their weight less, rarely put their hands in their pockets, rarely look downwards. Looking at what they wear, very very few have a heel on their shoe, most wear trainers. Dresses and skirts tend to be worn only by those returning or in the morning going to work. Most wear jeans. Observing the jewellery they wear, their make up, but not just observing women, observing how men stand in comparison. Trying to see where the differences were located. I feel like my eyes have been opened to the world... in the past, I've always just kept my head down and people were just fixtures in the background. Very few women do anything to stand out from the crowd. Very few stand by themselves. LOL - that sounds super creepy... but I am not staring at people in the playground, I am just paying more attention to the little details.

Just watching my wife more closely getting ready in the morning, it is a daunting prospect that these are all things I am going to have to learn if I am going to start climbing this mountain. The lazy person inside me is saying, why bother, you've got it easy as a bloke... my logical mind is comparing the cost and thinking about how I am going to pay for all of this? I lost my job at the end of last month and I was going to shave my beard off before seeing the doctor but I honestly could not bring myself to spend money on razors and foam when I've only got 2 weeks worth of money left for buying food and no sign of where my next cash injection is going to come from... for this to happen now is really inconvenient although it probably wouldn't have happened now had I not been laid off (remember it was ticking the male box on equality forms that made me seek help from my 'friend')... and my true self is saying, 'yeh, we're getting out of the closet, let's party!'. No wonder my emotions are all over the place.

I spent 4 hours trying to come up with a new name for myself. I started with Alice, dismissed it, then Emma, dismissed it. Then thought why not go with the name my parents had always wanted to call me (my parents were convinced I was going to be born a girl and had only thought of a girl's name before I was born, when I was born it caused a huge family argument on what to eventually call me... my grandmother's suggestion won the day), I was supposed to be Lucy, short for Lucinda. I am still not convinced on Lucy. I was going to call my daughter Skye but it became a popular boys name in Japan, so we went with something else, so I was thinking Lucy Skye... a quick google and yep porn star name and as Steffi pointed out to me... Lucy in the Skye with diamonds. That's just asking for trouble. So still thinking...

I find myself running too far up the road and part of me is sticking 'his' heals in to slow me down. I can decide names when I come to that bridge. The only reason I was thinking about it now was because Nym lacks the personal touch on the forums. It is the short version of my gaming character's name and stands for Nymph but it is also short for AnoNYMous. Anonymous - nym - nymph.

I've been helped so much by people here, where I can I want to help others. I keep the forum open because it stops me feeling so alone and helpless. But now and again I see posts from people who are desperate and I read so much of myself in them, not just the stuff that has been happening recently but the things that happened when I was at highschool feeling suicidal at the age of 17,  the guilt and shame I felt in my early 20s, the failed attempts at mutilating myself when I was 15. I want to reach out to these people and give them a big hug and tell them that it is alright, there are people in the world who care about them, people prepared to listen, offer advice and help them through it... the same way that Steffi and Moni have helped me these last 2 weeks. I can't give back financially at the moment, I don't know where this road will lead and I don't know what trials I will face along it. But I do know how I felt in those moments when it all felt too much... and just having a friend, knowing there was someone in the world who cared about me. That's worth a lot. So if I can provide that, then it is my way to give back... and as things improve in my life and I experience more, I will be able to give back more. 


LOL... I write far too much... if you made it this far, well done, have a star for your reading book - lol. Hopefully, there will be something here that can help someone. I am in a much better place right now... I don't know my destination, but I have a direction to follow now and people who appear to care about me and are guiding me on the way. For that I am eternally grateful. I will keep you posted when I get my appointment and after I see the therapist... it might be a long wait though.

(still) Nym (for now)
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KathyLauren

Congratulations on setting the wheels in motion, Nym!  That first step is a long one, but you did it!
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Faith

Nym, great story. Yes, a lot of words but you spaced them out and I got through them just fine.
As for name, I am sorry to say that male me (ARRGGH, I thought he was mostly gone) immediately thought Nymphomaniac. Since you spoke of other mis-naming situations, or cause for name troubles, I wanted to share that embarrassing thought.
BLAHH

Sorry, back to important stuff ... I'm glad that you're here, out in the world (almost out anyways), and ready to be and share your true self.

Faith.
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HappyMoni

Anxious, nervous, excited, scared? Around here we call that normal. You are doing great. Your positivity is most certainly helpful to others. You are just beginning to realize how awesome you are. So glad you are here.
Moni
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Alice (nym)

Another big step yesterday... two actually... one positive and one negative.

So I plucked up the courage to visit my local trans group. I went with apprehension, expecting to find a room full of drag queens. The closer I got the more my nervousness and anxiety built up. But I promised my friend Steffi an update on how it went and so I forced myself not to turn around but to go up to the door and join the group.

It was awesome. My worse fears were cast away. This was a room full of ordinary people looking absolutely great. No flamboyance over the top dressing up... real women, wearing proper clothing, with proper make up. Nothing over the top and everything natural and everyone looked great. It made me so happy. At last a group of people who are just like me - except way further down the road.

The women I talked to made me feel very welcome, the ones I didn't looked at me a little suspiciously but that's to be expected... I was dressed like a man and I was a stranger. I hope that will change in the future. And out of all the things, I was sat like a man... I couldn't believe it. I always sit crossed legged or with my legs together, and in the one place where that was acceptable, I sat with my legs spread. I nearly died when I noticed it. It was simply an auto-reaction when meeting strangers, present male.

One woman I was chatting to, went to the same school as me but a couple of years younger. I never knew them at school although they said they were out at that time, but we knew a lot of the same people and I knew her dad when he was still alive. I actually worked with her dad every Christmas for 14 years as a child and then into my teens.

Another woman offered to take me shopping for new clothes and provide me with support. And people were touching me affectionately and sympathetically. I've had no human contact other than my daughter for so long... it was wonderful. Just to get a sympathetic hug at the end was overwhelming. If I was so full of masculinity, I would've wept with joy. 

The entire experience was surreal and dreamlike. It was a dream come true... here were people I can actually see, touch, interact in person who were just like me. I left so happy. It made everything seem possible. It made everything real. Obviously I was shy as anything, I was absolutely terrified at first but still trying to get my head around it. Just WOW. I left truly wanting to transition because I could see in the flesh that it was a possibility and they all looked amazing.

Then I got home.

I was relaying my experience to Steffi and my wife wakes up and pops her head around the door to ask how it was. So I told her more or less the same as above. And then the penny finally dropped for her.

I knew it hadn't dropped the last time I spoke with her. She thought this was a ->-bleeped-<- club and I was allowing a bit of release by dressing up for a bit of fun. Not that I had any clothes with me to dress up in... my clothes are all rags, I've not dressed in 8 years. My wig probably has an inch of dust on it when I can find where I put it (although it never suited me - and no it isn't long blonde - lol - although I am naturally blonde when I had hair, I chose a brown to shoulder length).

So she burst into tears saying she couldn't cope with it. Then it all came out, how bad of a husband I was, how bad a father I was. Some legit, some not... but I let her pour her heart out. I asked if she still loved me and she confessed that she hasn't loved me in 4 years and would've left 2 years ago with my daughter had she thought my daughter could cope in a Japanese school. 2 years ago is when I ended up in hospital with stress related illnesses and ended up on antidepressants. 4 years ago is when I passed my viva and my university funding stopped but I still had 3+ years of corrections. I was burning the candle at both ends trying to work and rewrite an entire thesis from start to finish changing a sub argument to the main argument.

She accused me of being a liar and that she could no longer trust me because I had made all these promises about how our life could be and they all fell through when I ended up in hospital. She accused me of lying about not wanting to transition because I told her that I wished there was a pill to make the dysphoria all go away. But last night I told her there is no pill and that there are only 2 choices... which in my defense I did not know until reading and talking to people over the last 3-4 weeks. Choice 1) live with the constant dysphoria, anxiety, emptiness and depression knowing it will get worse and I will be a worse person because of it, or 2) transition.

She said it was too much for her to consider right now. I asked her if she wanted to try and fix the marriage or if she thought it was over. I told her that the only reason I am not rushing head long into transitioning is because I don't want to lose my family. She said she wanted to fix it but she is not sure she could live with me as a woman. She needs support but being Japanese and not speaking English very well, it is difficult to find her it unless she comes out about me with one of her friends. In which case, all of her friends would find out because they are proper gossips. So I am going to try and be a better husband for her and try to be a better father to my daughter... there is a waiting list to visit the Gender Identity Clinic (GIC), so nothing is going to happen until next year.

I think she doesn't want me to go to the trans group again because she knows I am going to come back wanting it more. She asked if I was prepared to live my life as a woman but completely alone... because I will lose my family - not just her, but my parents and sister and everyone else too. But I can't stop this from happening. It is now or never and never means I am likely to not be long on this earth. I am not suicidal but last night I really wanted it to end. I went from high with elation to rock bottom in a matter of hours. That is not something I can cope with for the rest of my life. I am only going to be able to manage so many of those types of emotional swing.

So I have a year to regain her love or I am likely to lose my daughter. It is a big ask when I am feeling the way that I do but my daughter is worth fighting for. I may however need some medication help from the GP... hiking is great but this is going to take a little bit more than hiking to get through.

So there you have it... I've opened up and revealed myself in person to about 13 new people. One who knows people who I know... and honestly, I no longer care if they gossip about me - although I am 100% positive that they won't. It is just such a release but tainted with what it is doing to my family. I am back on the emotional roller coaster and we are back in the dangerous territory again. I need to bring it back under enough control to function. Not to put myself back in her box but to just calm the peaks and troughs a bit. A lot of work to do now.

love
Alice
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Faith

Great! I'm glad your support group visit was a good one. Steph dragged me to meeting that was more like torture (really, it was uncomfortable but OK, I'm just checking to see if Steph is paying attention)
It's good for you to have someplace to go for supportive and positive feedback. Until your wife comes around, and especially if she doesn't, you will need that safe place.

and

Not great, but not unexpected. Very few wives/spouses/GF/etc handle the initial news or realization well. Time and communication. Not just talking, but communicating what you both feel good and bad. The more uncomfortable the telling, the more likely is that it's something that needs said. Don't argue or condemn .. no anger! You can't help if she lashes out, you can control how you react to it.

I tend to post pre-coffee. I hope I made sense :)
Faith
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Gabrielle66

Alice,

I am happy to hear that your support meeting was very positive. I found a similar group that meets on the first of every month in my area. I think I am going to try to go to the next meeting. We can never have too much support.

I have to say that I feel so badly for you about how your wife reacted. My fear is the same thing will eventually happen with my own wife. The more I move towards true transition the more I feel that fear growing. All I can say about your situation is that I hope and pray that you find a way to compromise and stay together. If she is unable to cope with the situation then sadly you have to be prepared to allow her to find a new path if necessary. My very best wishes will continue to be with you sister. Love and faith.

Gabrielle
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Alice (nym)

Finally, I got confirmation from the GIC that my GP has made the referral. But that is all it was... a confirmation that I am on the waiting list and an apology that it is a long waiting list. No indication of how long the wait will be.

Mixed feelings at that... I am happy that I now have confirmation that I am on the list. A little irritated that they couldn't give me a rough ballpark figure of how long I am going to have to wait. Although I am suspecting 18-24 months based on what I have learned from the local trans group.

Ironically they sent me an equality questionairre to complete... I mean seriously?  In fairness they are not aware yet that this is one of the biggest triggers for my dysphoria. I will have to a think about how I am going to complete that form. If I was presenting as female in my daily life and living as my true self (I don't like the term living in role - it is suggestive that we are acting - I am living in role now as male), then it would be straight forward to complete, but I am presenting as male because of the circumstances I find myself in. This makes it all a bit confusing and quite stressful. The same with my male name... that is making me cringe right now. I swear my dysphoria is getting progressively worse.


But keeping to the positives, it does feel good that I am officially in the system.

love
Alice
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Alice (nym)

#29
OK I am keeping all these posts together... even if I am not confused any more. I'm having a bad day today.

So I went to my GP to ask if he would take my hormone levels at the same time as doing a general health check. And he refused. I thought that he would be really supportive but today I got the impression that he thinks this is all just in my head and the stress of losing my job is confusing me.

I tried to explain to him that this is something I've been battling since I was 2 years old and that at the moment I can't keep my emotions in check and my dysphoria is getting worse by the day. His response was try St John's Wort. FFS!

I told him I've been seeking help from the local trans group and have been getting help online too and that I've been offered something that will take the edge off but wanted my hormone levels checked so that I have a baseline for the GIC. He was unsympathetic. Told me the tablets would have no effect on me and that it was all just a psychological problem. Without the GIC approval he would not waste people's time taking my hormone levels.

I tried to explain there is a 2 year waiting list and I am struggling to cope with it all but unsympathetic... try St John's Wort. If SJW could cure gender dysphoria then this forum wouldn't be here.

A big step backward. If I had the money I would book to get assessed privately, just so I can get something to help the dysphoria. I can't bear to hear my own name at the moment. I am not even asking for hormones. |I just wanted them to check the balance while they are checking for any other potential problems.

I can't wait 2 years with things as they are...

Then just to make things worse... my credit card got declined at the supermarket because I forgot to transfer funds from my paying in account to my current account... and then I got stopped at every single red light... just a really rubbish morning. 

I've no incentive to take their health check. I am not over weight for a man, I exercise, and I eat healthy. I am trying to lose weight so that I can expand my range of options in women's clothing. I've only got small belly fat but if I can get that down now before I start hormones and then work on toning my stomach... rather than turning the fat to muscle now and making it more difficult to reduce my waist size. I've even given up caffeine and drinking more water because I read somewhere that it makes electrolysis/laser slightly easier... no idea if that's true or not, perhaps someone could enlighten me with experience. I'm still a long way off beginning that.

Got to think positive thoughts. I got my first pair of jeggings today via mail order and I got my size correct... yeh!

love
Alice 

(I self-edited one or two things that were breaking the forum rules)
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