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PhoenixGurl2016

The midterm are now over. What does that mean for our safety and OUR progression as Transgender people in this country. I gotta say, it was kind of another disappointing election cycle but I guess we should be fine for another 2 years.....so yay there???


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Northern Star Girl

Quote from: PhoenixGurl2016 on November 07, 2018, 08:41:53 AM
The midterm are now over. What does that mean for our safety and OUR progression as Transgender people in this country. I gotta say, it was kind of another disappointing election cycle but I guess we should be fine for another 2 years.....so yay there???


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@PhoenixGurl2016
The election results were mixed so not all is disappointing and not all is a victory for anyone following this stuff.

My advice to any of those that think that these mid-term election changes in the legislative and political powers will result in instant or fast positive actions and/or possible quick problems are expecting too much, too fast. 

This is this is kinda like a big and heavy ship going down the Mississippi River, a new captain can take the wheel and turn it one way or the other, and nothing happens quickly... it takes a long time for the ship to start turning and the wheel can be turned the other direction and again nothing happens quickly.   

So, bottom line, do not despair.  Just my opinion, that is all.

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HappyMoni

Hopefully this means that whatever the truth is, it won't be swept under the rug. I'll go with what the facts tell us. Interesting concept, facts. A positive is also that there will be way more women. A negative is that the judicial branch is at risk of being packed with people who will limit trans rights. That is my biggest fear.

Did I say limit, I meant eliminate.
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AnamethatstartswithE

While I'm happy that there will be some level of pushback in government, I think things will probably get worse for us before they get better. I have a hunch that the trump administration is going to go forward with their "redefinition." The ACLU has already promised to sue as soon as that happens and it will probably be stuck in the courts for a few years.

I think our best bet is to try to get involved at the state level, since that's where we can actually hope for progress in the next few years. I spent the past couple of weekends volunteering with a Democrat congressional campaign near where I live. I was operating out of a satellite office so I didn't interact with the candidate, but the people running the office were very much affected by my story. Especially in state rep elections where the areas are small, volunteering would be a good way to "get a seat at the table," so to speak.

Just my $.02
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Stevi

Trump's administration will move forward with trying to put the trans genie back in the bottle.  The House will likely bring legislation forward to specifically include LGBTQ in non-discrimination protection.  We will continue to be in the news.  It might even pass out of the House.  The Senate will stonewall it so it is never even considered by them for a vote.  This issue really needs to be dealt with by definitive legislation amending civil rights laws.  Unfortunately, I do not see that happening in the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile, any move by the administration to strip us of our gains, mostly in court decisions, will be vigorously challenged in the courts.  It will take, likely, years to resolve.  I really have no idea how the SCOTUS will go with this because the environment of knowledge about ->-bleeped-<-, and how we are viewed by society, at large, will, I hope, improve by the time the case gets that far.  Some of the cases in the pipeline might settle the issue, one way or the other, before a challenge to the administration's actions get that far.

In my humble opinion, we need to be a positive influence in our communities, putting our collective "best foot forward" but without apology for who we are.  People need to hear us, see us, but no one responds well to being screamed at by someone that is up in their face.  Our personal stories, recounted one on one, are our most effective means of affecting change in people's attitudes.  Remember, there are some that will never be swayed.  But there are more than enough in the middle that can be brought around so that the unreachable can be, largely, marginalized into irrelevance.

That is my $0.02.  You can keep the change.
Stevi
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GingerVicki

The House going democratic is a good thing for all LGBTA people. Now the government is not Republican dominated. I anticipate that Trump will have many problems getting done what he wants to do.

From my knowledge, the House can stop the redefinition of gender and keep transgender healthcare.

Edit: I live in Nebraska and we just approved Expanded Medicare and will definitely help lower-income transgender people receive care.
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Lacy

Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on November 07, 2018, 09:13:32 AM


This is this is kinda like a big and heavy ship going down the Mississippi River, a new captain can take the wheel and turn it one way or the other, and nothing happens quickly... it takes a long time for the ship to start turning and the wheel can be turned the other direction and again nothing happens quickly.   

So, bottom line, do not despair.  Just my opinion, that is all.

Hugs and best wishes,
Danielle

I live on the Mississippi, and we have barges that pass by everyday! That is a very powerful analogy.

I think the results were realistic as to what I expected. The fact that one party doesn't control every branch is a good thing. I reckon we will continue reading the same negative thoughts and actions from those that already oppose the community. The way I see, we managed to get some more voices in Congress and every little bit helps.

As has already been said, any decisions that will effect us negatively will immediately ignite legal battles. We need to continue making people around us aware that we are still human and need allies. I have seen changes in entertainment and media that is bringing the Transgender community into the spotlight. We all have the responsibility to represent our collective in a positive manner, and not back down.

Strength in numbers!
Lacy
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GingerVicki

Quote from: RealLacy on November 07, 2018, 09:56:04 AM
I live on the Mississippi, and we have barges that pass by every day! That is a very powerful analogy.

I think the results were realistic as to what I expected. The fact that one party doesn't control every branch is a good thing. I reckon we will continue reading the same negative thoughts and actions from those that already oppose the community. The way I see, we managed to get some more voices in Congress and every little bit helps.

As has already been said, any decisions that will affect us negatively will immediately ignite legal battles. We need to continue making people around us aware that we are still human and need allies. I have seen changes in entertainment and media that are bringing the Transgender community into the spotlight. We all have the responsibility to represent our collective in a positive manner, and not back down.

Strength in numbers!
Lacy

Sometimes little steps are all that can be done. Nebraska went solid Republican but still approved Expanded Medicaid.
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Stevi

QuoteNebraska went solid Republican but still approved Expanded Medicaid.

Again, it is the people in the middle that can be persuaded.  There are plenty of Republicans that understand it is important to help take care of those who are struggling to take care of themselves.  Many of them will play well with others who are respectful of their concerns on how to best do that.  Question- Can we play well with them?

Another $0.02.  At this rate, I'll go broke in no time.
Stevi
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Gertrude

Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on November 07, 2018, 09:13:32 AM
@PhoenixGurl2016
The election results were mixed so not all is disappointing and not all is a victory for anyone following this stuff.

My advice to any of those that think that these mid-term election changes in the legislative and political powers will result in instant or fast positive actions and/or possible quick problems are expecting too much, too fast. 

This is this is kinda like a big and heavy ship going down the Mississippi River, a new captain can take the wheel and turn it one way or the other, and nothing happens quickly... it takes a long time for the ship to start turning and the wheel can be turned the other direction and again nothing happens quickly.   

So, bottom line, do not despair.  Just my opinion, that is all.

Hugs and best wishes,
Danielle
Yup. I use a hippo on roller skates analogy. Hard to get moving, but once it is, hard to stop or change direction. :).


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Gertrude

I was disappointed in Vermont. I thought they were liberal there.


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Zumbagirl

Who cares, I mean seriously? I transitioned 20+ years ago when there was no protections, no nothing and despite that I managed to do alright for myself in the next few decades. I didn't need laws or anything else, just my own wits. No one is going to put a gun to your head and tell you can't take hormones or have SRS surgery, so who cares? Just live your life and be happy.

I'm going to say something that might be taken the wrong way, but I really want to get this off my chest. I actually voted against the transgender protections in Massachusetts. I did it because I don't want people to be compelled to like me at work or anywhere else. I want them to like me because I am a fun person to be around with a great sense of humor. I would much rather know that someone actively despises me or refuses to give me a job than to have them offer me the job at gunpoint and turn a work environment into a hostile one. I personally like knowing where I stand with people. Anti-discrimination laws turn life into darkened corridors whisper and conversations and I don't want to be part of that.

I would hope that disparate opinions are welcome because that's how people learn by perhaps questioning assumptions.
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Devlyn

The coverage of the US midterms over here (UK) really hasn't touched on transgender issues. What they are saying is that with the loss of ability to work within the legislature, the President will likely concentrate on foreign policy, which is essentially his domain to do what he wants.
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Stevi

ZumbaGirl,

I get much of what you say.  I do not want to be around people who don't want me around them.  I am not one to go out and make trouble just for the h@!! of it.  But what happens when you have little other choice?  When everywhere you turn, there are no good options.  I am not talking about our transition, therapy.  I am talking about our jobs, our housing, our healthcare unrelated to our transition.  You know, day to day life where we might be denied common respect as human beings anywhere by anyone.  There must be a level of bad behavior against us that justifies making a big fuss, don't you think?

A rhetorical question.  Would you have written something like this to Rosa Parks?

I am not trying to be a B*&^$ about it.  I do see something valid in both perspectives.

Stevi

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Lacy



Quote from: Stevi on November 07, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Another $0.02.  At this rate, I'll go broke in no time.
Stevi

Especially since you aren't taking into account inflation!

Lacy

Hugs,
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HappyMoni

Quote from: Zumbagirl on November 07, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Who cares, I mean seriously? I transitioned 20+ years ago when there was no protections, no nothing and despite that I managed to do alright for myself in the next few decades. I didn't need laws or anything else, just my own wits. No one is going to put a gun to your head and tell you can't take hormones or have SRS surgery, so who cares? Just live your life and be happy.

I'm going to say something that might be taken the wrong way, but I really want to get this off my chest. I actually voted against the transgender protections in Massachusetts. I did it because I don't want people to be compelled to like me at work or anywhere else. I want them to like me because I am a fun person to be around with a great sense of humor. I would much rather know that someone actively despises me or refuses to give me a job than to have them offer me the job at gunpoint and turn a work environment into a hostile one. I personally like knowing where I stand with people. Anti-discrimination laws turn life into darkened corridors whisper and conversations and I don't want to be part of that.

I would hope that disparate opinions are welcome because that's how people learn by perhaps questioning assumptions.

Yes you have a right to your opinion. I respectfully disagree on having laws to protect LGBT people. Without legal protection that you wouldn't lose your job, many people might be stopped from even coming out. They have less chance to do the job as themselves, to earn respect and be self made. I am trying to picture where civil rights for African Americans would be today if the protection laws had not been passed. Let's set up the laws so there are consequences to ignorant (whatever word one wants to use) behavior. I'm a big Girl, if someone wants to be hostile, okay, but if they violate ethical behavior in the workplace, let them face the consequences. Also, being kicked out of one's rented house for being trans? Do trans people need to live in fear that that is a legal possibility? No.
I hope I stated my disagreement in a respectful manner. Nothing personal to you.
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Lucca

Quote from: Zumbagirl on November 07, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Who cares, I mean seriously? I transitioned 20+ years ago when there was no protections, no nothing and despite that I managed to do alright for myself in the next few decades. I didn't need laws or anything else, just my own wits. No one is going to put a gun to your head and tell you can't take hormones or have SRS surgery, so who cares? Just live your life and be happy.

I'm going to say something that might be taken the wrong way, but I really want to get this off my chest. I actually voted against the transgender protections in Massachusetts. I did it because I don't want people to be compelled to like me at work or anywhere else. I want them to like me because I am a fun person to be around with a great sense of humor. I would much rather know that someone actively despises me or refuses to give me a job than to have them offer me the job at gunpoint and turn a work environment into a hostile one. I personally like knowing where I stand with people. Anti-discrimination laws turn life into darkened corridors whisper and conversations and I don't want to be part of that.

I would hope that disparate opinions are welcome because that's how people learn by perhaps questioning assumptions.

My understanding is that the protections go further than just employment; they also protect bathroom useage and gender marker change, among other things. There's more at stake than just employment, some of which may be more difficult to avoid than simply switching jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Additionally, if you're displeased with how you are treated or what others think of you at work, you can still voluntarily quit if you want. However, with the protection in place, it means that a transgender person has a better chance of retaining their job if changing jobs isn't an option.

It's just, ah, don't take this the wrong way, but it sounds like you voted against it to make a statement and the outcome doesn't actually affect you very much. Someone with fewer job opportunities or a more hostile community may have a more practical purpose in mind.
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GingerVicki

Quote from: Zumbagirl on November 07, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Who cares, I mean seriously? I transitioned 20+ years ago when there was no protections, no nothing and despite that I managed to do alright for myself in the next few decades. I didn't need laws or anything else, just my own wits. No one is going to put a gun to your head and tell you can't take hormones or have SRS surgery, so who cares? Just live your life and be happy.

I'm going to say something that might be taken the wrong way, but I really want to get this off my chest. I actually voted against the transgender protections in Massachusetts. I did it because I don't want people to be compelled to like me at work or anywhere else. I want them to like me because I am a fun person to be around with a great sense of humor. I would much rather know that someone actively despises me or refuses to give me a job than to have them offer me the job at gunpoint and turn a work environment into a hostile one. I personally like knowing where I stand with people. Anti-discrimination laws turn life into darkened corridors whisper and conversations and I don't want to be part of that.

I would hope that disparate opinions are welcome because that's how people learn by perhaps questioning assumptions.

Well... This is certainly interesting. It sounds to me that you have all the resources needed to transition to the level that you desire. Lucky you. Lucky me I can too. I would never vote against human rights for transgendered people.

There are many people who need protection. They need insurance to pay for medications. They need workforce protection. Not everyone has resources available and it is not always their fault.

It sounds to me that you are possibly holding people to a standard that not everyone can reach. Not everyone is strong-minded enough to blaze a trail through discrimination and hate. And why should they have to persevere the discrimination and hate? Why make them go through what you had to go through.

This seems to be a bitter response.
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Northern Star Girl

While I am glad to see the various opinions expressed here, it is important that we keep this thread's discussion on a cordial and respectful level just as it has been done so far in this thread. 

Best thing to do when writing a reply post on hot-button topics like politics and religion is to NOT click the send button right away....

...go get a cup of coffee and then come back and re-read some of the comments prior to your reply post, then again re-read your reply post, make any changes that would eliminate any possibly perceived insults and any possibly perceived demeaning statements.... and when satisfied, SEND IT !!!

Just my opinion, that is all....
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Jessica

Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on November 07, 2018, 02:34:43 PM
While I am glad to see the various opinions expressed here, it is important that we keep this thread's discussion on a cordial and respectful level just as it has been done so far in this thread. 

Best thing to do when writing a reply post on hot-button topics like politics and religion is to NOT click the send button right away....

...go get a cup of coffee and then come back and re-read some of the comments prior to your reply post, then again re-read your reply post, make any changes that would eliminate any possibly perceived insults and any possibly perceived demeaning statements.... and when satisfied, SEND IT !!!

Just my opinion, that is all....
Hugs to all,
Danielle


Thank you Danielle, I was about to say the same.  It was starting to become inflamed. 
Best to reflect on language used, by taking a half step back.

Jessica

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