Probably an Unusual Question

[Dabria]

I'm blunt, forgive me. So the long story made short is that I'm nonbinary, bigender to be specific. The reason I identify this way is because my dysphoria regarding my genitals is that I don't have both a penis and vagina. My first experience in being trans was being an extremely confused 9 year old not understanding why I didn't have both. Otherwise I'm just an MTF tomboy I guess. To the point, is there any options out there for both. Part of the colon can be used instead of penile inversion to create a vagina, so that's not a problem. Is it just an issue of convincing a surgeon to do this? Or has anyone ever heard of this being done? Or am I doomed to live forever with this one way or the other?

[Jessica]

Hi Dabria 🙋‍♀️ Welcome to Susan's Place!  I'm Jessica.
I entirely understand your feelings since I too dreamed at one point having both.  This stems from the feeling that I am both genders on a sliding scale between the two.  Maybe you can relate to that, but everyone is different.  There is the thought of Non-Binary (NB) or Gender Fluid involved.
As far as any surgeon doing this for you, I believe the chances are nil.

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[Northern Star Girl]

I'm blunt, forgive me. So the long story made short is that I'm nonbinary, bigender to be specific. The reason I identify this way is because my dysphoria regarding my genitals is that I don't have both a penis and vagina. My first experience in being trans was being an extremely confused 9 year old not understanding why I didn't have both. Otherwise I'm just an MTF tomboy I guess. To the point, is there any options out there for both. Part of the colon can be used instead of penile inversion to create a vagina, so that's not a problem. Is it just an issue of convincing a surgeon to do this? Or has anyone ever heard of this being done? Or am I doomed to live forever with this one way or the other?

@Dabria 
Dear Dabria:
    I am most pleased that you had decided to join the Susan's Place site.

    I see that our lovely member and California Girl   @Jessica   has already welcomed you to Susan's Place.  Please allow me to also welcome you here.
    Thank you for writing your several first postings.... as you get more involved in exchanging comments on various posts other members will be along to offer their thoughts and comments in response to any of your specific questions and concerns..

    This is the right place for you to be to find out what others may have to say that may have been in your circumstances and with your questions and concerns.
    There are a lot of members here that will be able to identify with your situation as you continue to feel free to share it.

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[Northern Star Girl]

@Dabria
Oh, and another thing Dabria,
As our lovely member @Jessica mentioned in her Welcome Message to you please make certain that you find your way to the Introductions Forum  to let more members about yourself!

If you are one of our younger members, please stop by the Youth Introductions Forum and introduce yourself therel!

Again, Welcome to Susan's Place
Best wishes to you and enjoy your time here.
Danielle

[Northern Star Girl]

@Dabria
Dear Dabria:
I hate to overwhelm you with another message but I want you to be aware of our
                 Non Binary Talk  Sub-Forum
      https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?board=57.0

You may find subject matter there and posts that are of interest to you...

I will now let you have your thread back......

Best wishes,
Danielle                        cc: @Jessica

[Dena]

Welcome to Susan's Place. There has been some discussion about a surgery like this so you aren't the first. Possible there may be a surgeon or two that might offer this procedure for enough money but it could be very complicated. The primary issue would be finding enough skin to construct a proper labia. Skin grafts could be used however it's going to leave a scar somewhere because the graft would need to be full thickness. This means all of the blood supply would need to be moved with the graft. It would be much simpler to stay in the binary because those surgeries have been refined over the years and can have a high success rate.

[Dabria]

I guess it is just trying to convince a surgeon to do it then, I have options to compel a surgeon to do it, even if I don't like taking it, and my healthcare system will pay for it. I'm under no illusion that this wouldn't likely be something that's never been done before so not without risk or compromises that need to be made. I just need something other than deal with it at this point.

[josie76]

I'm blunt, forgive me. So the long story made short is that I'm nonbinary, bigender to be specific. The reason I identify this way is because my dysphoria regarding my genitals is that I don't have both a penis and vagina. My first experience in being trans was being an extremely confused 9 year old not understanding why I didn't have both. Otherwise I'm just an MTF tomboy I guess. To the point, is there any options out there for both. Part of the colon can be used instead of penile inversion to create a vagina, so that's not a problem. Is it just an issue of convincing a surgeon to do this? Or has anyone ever heard of this being done? Or am I doomed to live forever with this one way or the other?

I do know of one place who specifically said they would be offering that sort of option. First before anyone says something, I fully recognize that this company got in trou let for talking about themselves here.
Now that that disclaimer is done, PriyaMed in India said that would be one option once the hospital there approves the procudere for full use. They worked with surgeons there to be able to offer a full peritoneal vaginoplasty just like what is done for genetic girls with Mullerian agenesis. They have done a few surgeries there for the trial period and are supposed to be offering it in 2019.

Here's why they can do the dual option. Their surgeons cut the bulbospongiosis mucles at the anchor to the anal sphenctor and the muscles that cross the pelvic opening there. They also leave those muscles in tact on the outside of the ureathra. By pushing them up they create an opening for the neovagina. Then they pull the peritoneal tissue from the abdominal pouch to make the vaginal canal. So by doing this a functional vaginal canal is possible without destroying the base of the penile tissues.

I wouldn't want such a thing but to each their own. I'm on their waiting list for the full PPV surgery when it's available but I want to just be a regular woman.

[AnonyMs]

Having mtf srs and keeping the penis has been done in the USA recently, and there's even a post with photos. I can't post a link here though, due to the content.

Look at Dr Wittenberg and Satterwhite.

[Dabria]

Having mtf srs and keeping the penis has been done in the USA recently, and there's even a post with photos. I can't post a link here though, due to the content.

Look at Dr Wittenberg and Satterwhite.

Can't seem to find it, do you have any other keywords to search for? Either way I'll keep looking, thank you. If this is being done elsewhere, then I should be able to convince the people in Montreal to consider doing it for me.

[Dabria]

I found it that's awesome and beyond acceptable. All I need to do is to convince GRS Montreal to do it. Thank you! You just made the last 25 years of my life. Honestly, I'm beyond grateful.