Susan's Place Logo

News:

Please be sure to review The Site terms of service, and rules to live by

Main Menu

Show of hands, Who got caught as a kid CD'ing?

Started by Lisa89125, December 13, 2018, 11:19:08 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Melinda@heart

1st time: When I was 12 or 13 I had "acquired" some of my mom's best friends panties. We had been at her house and I had the opportunity to go through her panty drawer while they played cards. I hid them in my bottom dresser drawer. My mom found them. My parents confronted me.. I told them my friend Dave and I stole them from two girls who were swimming at the nearby quarry. Not sure they believed me.

2nd: A few months after this, I had borrowed my mom's pink silk skirt and blouse. I hid it under my beds box spring, up in that white felt like material that lines the bottom. I guess mom was looking to wear it and searched my room. She found it. She had dad come in and talk to me. He asked me if I was gay. I said no because I wasn't.

3rd: 9th grade. Mom bought this matching white, silky nylon panty and camisole set. I borrowed it one night and slept in it. The next morning my little sister was sent in to wake me up for school. She pulled my covers off of me before waking me up.... I had just enough time to pull the items off and shove them under my mattress before my mom came in the room. Except, I didn't... in my rush I didn't notice the panties fall to the floor.... she came in and picked them up, then asked for the camisole. I was quite humiliated. All she said was " I don't wear your things, please don't wear mine."

After that I became exceeding careful and crafty in my activites and where i hid things.

~Mindy

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

  •  

Jen61

I got caught in my sister's princess dress by my older brother. He drug me out in front of everybody.

Sent from my FRD-L04 using Tapatalk

  •  

Jessica_Rose

I was caught several times between the ages 10 - 15. In the early to mid 1970's this was definitely not acceptable behavior. I was punished or threatened every time. The most memorable occasion was when I was 11 or 12 years old and my dad threatened to castrate me, make me wear a dress, then walk me up and down our street on a leash. I think that explains why I buried my desires so deeply. When I think about my childhood the only word that comes to mind is 'fear'. Oddly enough if I knew then what I know now, everything (except the leash) was what I have been wanting all of these years.
Journal thread - Jessica's Rose Garden
National Coming Out Day video - Coming Out
GCS - GCS and BA w/Dr. Ley
GCS II - GCS II and FFS w/Dr. Ley
FFS II - Jaw and chin surgery w/Dr. Ley
Hair - Hair Restoration
23Mar2017 - HRT / 16Feb2018 - Full Time! / 21Feb2019 - GCS / 26July2019 - GCS II / 13Oct2020 - FFS II
"It is never too late to be what you might have been." - George Eliot
  • skype:Jessica_Rose?call
  •  

Kirsteneklund7

Quote from: Lisa_K on December 14, 2018, 05:19:36 PM
I stayed up until 3:00 AM last night writing an all too lengthy and TL:DR reply to this question but then decided not to post it because my experiences were so different and it might be upsetting to some? Taking a fresh look at this today and having a bit of a re-think about it all I've decided to go ahead and post it anyway just to show the variety of differences we all have when it comes to this trans business. Trans kids, openly trans kids are a rarity on this site and I think it's somewhat important our side of these stories are heard because we have some place in all this too.
_______________________

The idea of getting caught wearing girl's clothes is an odd question for me. I couldn't say how loudly I wanted to wear nothing but girl's clothes and it became a real issue for me in the 1st and 2nd grade until my mom sat me down one day and explained the reality of the situation to me.

Damn. This is making me think of things I haven't thought about in a long time and I just noticed I'm frowning. These were hard times.

I understood myself to be a girl. I didn't want to be different from other girls. I mean I knew why I wasn't a girl because of my body but I just was a girl because that's who I was. I understood logically but I really didn't understand.

I recently posted in another thread talking about getting clothes for Christmas and how after I was 15 or so that I had clothes for school and girl's clothes that were too feminine to wear to school and I didn't really think about it until just now but I had the same sort of thing going on my first couple years of grade school too.

I had accumulated a lot of my two older girl cousin's clothes and thought nothing of wearing them casually or just as an everyday sort of thing. When they'd come over I couldn't wait to swap clothes with them and rarely gave them back. It was seen as peculiar but no one really cared as I had always been different. It was just expected that I was going to do this and I did it into my tweens. After that they just gave me stuff. In my box of dress up clothes we used for playing house when my cousins came over there were a couple old housedresses you couldn't keep me out of too so when I did start school, I was very unhappy with how awkward and uncomfortable wearing real boys clothes made me feel and even more dismayed at even being thought of as a boy at all.

I had never been treated like a boy and I had never been like them and I had a very difficult time fitting into the world as one of them. This was clearly obvious. There's kind of a dark spot in my memory between the 2nd and 3rd grade because I was in a pretty dark and unhappy place, had already been in 4 different schools because I was so different and out of place and this whole thing of not being like other girls and what I could and couldn't wear came to a head and that's when my mom sat me down for a bit of reckoning.

I really don't remember the details of all the talks we had or even what I really said but we came to some kind of an understanding with compromises during that summer. In return for not wanting to wear girl's clothes all the time, my demands were met and I was allowed to grow my hair out. To me, this was a fair trade off and in the end, signaled to the world that I was a girl and made me more physically like other girls than girl's clothes ever could have anyway.

This pacified me for a bit. It was still common to wear my cousins clothes at home or my play clothes or be seen clonking around in an old pair of my mom's high heels and this was never something I had to do in secret so I made the mental adjustment that I just had to wear boy's clothes to make the rest of the world happy. It was just clothes but I still knew who I was and what I liked and wanted to wear so there was still a lot of arguing and uncomfortable feelings.

Over the next few years as my hair got longer and my problems in school only got worse, by the time I was 12 and started junior high, people that didn't know I was supposed to be a boy didn't know what I was. I had been in 14 different schools by the time I finished 6th grade because the rest of the world wasn't happy with me and boy's clothes didn't seem to really make a difference. Adherence to the binary and gender conformity was expected but I never felt that applied to me and I didn't know how to act or be different anyway.

Regardless, I had managed to find a balance point in between being a boy or a girl and that pacified me for a bit. At home, I was still borrowing clothes from my cousins and even had some old stuff that my mom didn't wear and as long as we weren't going anywhere, it was no big deal to wear them as just a regular thing. There was no fear of getting caught because there wasn't anything to hide or sneak around about. My folks teased me about it a bit but they teased me about everything always with humor and love. My individuality and apparent queerness was concerning and problematic but respected. We had a lot of talks about being gay especially after my 8th grade crush on a neighbor boy I went to school with ended rather dramatically and for a while, I just let them think I was gay because it made things easier and more peaceful. I mean, why else would I be acting and trying to look like a girl if I wasn't gay, right? We were all so ignorant.

At 15 in the 10th grade, unfortunate events set things in motion and I sat my folks down and had a bit of reckoning with them. I simply refused to keep living my life as a boy and my difficulty in doing so had become more than evident so there were more understandings and more compromises. I could be all the girl I was and wanted to be, that didn't matter but I had to stay in school and to do that I had to be a boy. Once again, I reconciled with myself that clothes were just clothes and not who I was and my folks compromised by letting all my clothes be girl clothes as long as they were something that boys might wear. I also got my ears pierced, my eyebrows professionally shaped at my mom's salon, razors to shave my legs and things that smelled good.

This all happened in 1970 and unisex fashions were a thing then which made things easier but as I got older and after our "understanding", I had a lot more say in what I could wear and how I could look when I wasn't in school so by the time I was 16 people that didn't know I was supposed to be a boy always just assumed I was a girl without them having to think about it or question. My folks and family began to use she/her pronouns because things had become awkward in public and it just made things easier without having to explain I was just weird.

I had girl's clothes for school that passed as boys and I had overtly and unquestionably girl's clothes for when I wasn't in school but no matter what I wore, by the time I was 17 I couldn't have passed as a boy even if I had wanted to. That made school so much fun. I hated life. I hated not just being like other girls even though I had long blonde pretty hair more than halfway down my back some told me they wished theirs was like. I hated I couldn't wear makeup to school or my prettier clothes or different earrings. I loved Saturday nights going out to fancy restaurants for dinner with my folks when we'd dress up a little and my mom would do my hair and I could wear a little makeup and whatever I wanted to wear. I borrowed stuff from my mom all the time and I even had a couple casual tops she borrowed from me occasionally. Having girl things of my own and looking like a girl pacified me for a while.

But this was also about the time things crashed for me. Being socially a girl for all practical purposes but known as the opposite gender five days a week when I had to force myself to go to school became all too much. Bad things happened but as a result, my folks had found me yet another therapist that in a nutshell, took one look at me, put me on HRT and explained to me what transsexualism was. Say what? I guess that made sense and gave me a little more understanding about why I was the way I was so with his guidance and my parent's insistence, I managed to make it through my senior year of high school after which I never had to be known as a boy or wear things because they sort of looked like boy's clothes ever again.

The notion of getting caught cross-dressing in girl's clothes is pretty foreign to me. I was a girl so that was a normal thing to want to do. There was never any shame or embarrassment or hiding or worrying I might get caught doing something I shouldn't be doing. What bothered me more was that at most, all I could do was to wear androgynous things for school. There were some issues though. My aunt got pissed at me for me for having so many of my cousin's clothes and my mom had stuff I knew she'd kill me if I touched. There were raging battles between my mom and I about what I could wear to school because she was more concerned about me getting kicked out of another one and my ideas about what was too girly and hers differed wildly and I was a total raging beyotch about it but somehow my struggles with all this were understood and tolerated. After I graduated and didn't have to be a boy anymore, there was a grand sigh of relief from everyone that this insanity that had been my crazy life had finally come to an end. Even though my boy clothes were really girl's clothes, the ones that weren't girly enough or too androgynous for me went to Goodwill.

My mom died when I was 25. I got all of her clothes, jewelry, good china and purses except her mink stole my aunt wanted that I had no use for anyway. I kept what I wanted and gave the rest to charity. Nearly 40 years later, I still have a few things that were my moms I've kept for sentimental value and her good china still comes out of my hutch for holiday dinners.

Sounds like I wasn't so different after all and I can relate to that. Two days after I was allowed to start school when the whole legal debacle over my long hair got straightened out, I was expelled from 7th grade for fighting a gym teacher that tried to force me into the boy's locker room. I got taken to two different psychologists that were clueless about trans stuff, this was 1967 and they just thought I was super gay but I still ended up getting excused from PE and never had to worry about that sort of thing again.
I love hearing that story. Yes it is diffent to a lot of the transwomen on this site.

The story always reminds me of a good friend of mine that never transitioned. As a child she often wore girls clothes- but not to school.

As a teenager she seamlessly lived full time as female - surgery and hormones fixed the minor detail. I think she must have transitioned as a baby(lol).

In her life she felt nothing shameful or unusual about dressing as a girl- even though her brothers and father disagreed. She simply expressed her natural self and knew no other way.

She and I have had some interesting discussions about how her experience of being trans is quite different to my experience.

She never fought herself over being male or female- she just was.

My experience was all about internal conflict, not getting caught and forcing myself to man- up as a teenager.

Lisa_K I would love to be upset by one of your posts!

Kind regards, Kirsten


Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
As a child prayed to be a girl- now the prayer is being answered - 40 years later !
  •  

pamelatransuk

Quote from: Lisa89125 on December 13, 2018, 11:19:08 PM
Big Grin,  ;D I got in trouble a lot as a kid for wearing my moms bras, sanitary pads, pantyhose, jeans, tops. As a teen I got caught in my mom's dress a couple times. Got in trouble for shaving my legs a couple times as well using moms razor.

Show of hands, Who also CD'ed and got busted by family?

Lisa

Hello Lisa

Three points from childhood I recall:

1. I was regularly trying on mum's lipstick and perfume - she didn't like it but I do not remember any major argument.

2. I first crossdressed at 7 while playing with girls of my age in their Wendy House (Play House).

3. I had told my grandmother at 4 I wished to be a girl; by age 10 she allowed me to dress in her dresses, cardigans and nightdresses. She must have told my mum who was her daughter. There was no argument. I assume Mum thought I would grow out of it. I didn't and I have been crossdressing for 56 years as I am now 63 and publicly transitioning at 64!

Hugs

Pamela


  •  

big kim

No but had a few close calls! Remember as a 14 year old a highly unpopular maths teacher saw traces of red nail polish on my fingers & asked if I'd been wearing nail polish. Quick as a a flash & with a straight face I told her I'd been helping paint my mate's brother's BSA motorbike. She then told me to wash my hands properly as people would think I was a girl. I secretly got a buzz from it!
  •  

BlueJaye

I was never caught in the act, but I do remember my mom finding some of my sister's clothes in my dresser where I had hidden them. I made up an excuse that they must have gotten mixed up with my clothes in the laundry.

I think she might have suspected something at that point, especially since I wasn't exactly a masculine acting kid. I was extremely careful about hiding my cross dressing after that and I don't think anyone ever had a clue after that.
  •  

Julie -2010

I was in my early teens. It was late at night and I was in my sister's night gown and had curlers in my hair.  I went to the bathroom near my parents room to get something and I thought everyone was a sleep.  I close the bathroom door and I start to hear my parents talk and mention my name.  I panicked big time.  I took out the curlers and turned the water on and then headed out of there as fast as I could back to my room.

A week later my mom and sisters were suddenly out of the house and my dad had a talk with me. They had gone thru my room and located my stash of clothing.  Just told me we don't understand why but boys don't do that.  Get rid of everything and don't do it again.  I loaded up a big trash bag of clothes and threw them away.  I stopped for maybe a week or two.  Tried to be a little smarter after that.

Julie
"me to be my true and authentic self, my own person, one who belonged to the infinitely loving Creator, with all the inherent flaws that come with it."  - Jonathan S. Williams
  •  

Lisa89125

It's so interesting how many of us share very similar stories. I would have never thought so many of us did the exact same things growing up. It's really incredible actually.

Lisa


"My inner self knows better than my outer self my true gender"

Not yet quite ready to post my real self.
  •  

Susan Baum

Quote from: Lisa89125 on December 15, 2018, 12:01:51 PM
It's so interesting how many of us share very similar stories. I would have never thought so many of us did the exact same things growing up. It's really incredible actually.

Lisa
Hi, Lisa
I feel there are even more that have similar stories but have not yet told us.

I was sooo lucky in that my mother was much more willing to let me investigate and explore my "other" self than some other parents  - such as my father - were. After they separated and it wasn't a taboo under our roof, I was able to live comfortably in both roles for better than 30 years. I only wish Mom had been around when the time came to bury <deadname>, I really needed go give her thanks for making it easy. 

Susan
Aging is inevitable - growing up is optional.
  •  

dee82

In case someone reading this thread is feeling left out, or unusual.

I want to share that I never cross-dressed as a child, or had any overt interest in the clothes of the opposite gender to what was assigned at birth.

~Dee.
  •  

Lisa89125

Interesting, How then Dee did you come to realize your trans?

Lisa


"My inner self knows better than my outer self my true gender"

Not yet quite ready to post my real self.
  •  

dee82

Quote from: Lisa89125 on December 16, 2018, 12:04:54 AM
Interesting, How then Dee did you come to realize your trans?

Lisa

I didn't realise as a child that I was trans. I knew I was different, but was never able to figure out in what way. It was only as an adult that things started to fall into place.

This may sound surprising, but I never thought of trying on the clothes of my sister or mother to express what I experienced inside.

I guess my journey is a little different from the norm.

~Dee.
  •  

Lisa89125

Dee, Everyone walks a different path. Not everyone has the same experiences. I knew but didn't come to terms with myself till 3 years ago.

Lisa


"My inner self knows better than my outer self my true gender"

Not yet quite ready to post my real self.
  •  

pamelatransuk

Dee/Lisa

It is just a fallacy to all trans people have childhood experiences. I think probably more than 50% of us do but some don't and as you say, you may realise you are trans at any age. It matters nothing whether you did anything trans as a child or not.

Wishing you both happiness on your transgender journeys.

Hugs

Pamela


  •  

dee82

Quote from: pamelatransuk on December 17, 2018, 07:13:02 AM
It is just a fallacy to all trans people have childhood experiences. I think probably more than 50% of us do but some don't and as you say, you may realise you are trans at any age. It matters nothing whether you did anything trans as a child or not.

Wishing you both happiness on your transgender journeys.

Hugs

Pamela

Hi Pamela, I appreciate your comment, a lot.

At a trans support group I was once treated with suspicion and a raised eyebrow (by the Leader, a trans woman) because I didn't have a story of realisation going back to my childhood. At the time, her attitude surprised me, as it felt very "old school".

~Dee.
  •  

MaryT

I'm learning a lot from other people's experiences.  Many have a lot in common but clearly our experiences can vary greatly, even more than I expected.  Thanks to forums like those on Susan's Place, I am learning more about myself as a trans person, as other people's experiences make me question just what it is that makes me know I'm a woman even though I was AMAB.
  •  

Lisa_K

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on December 15, 2018, 12:38:56 AM
The story always reminds me of a good friend of mine that never transitioned. As a child she often wore girls clothes- but not to school.

As a teenager she seamlessly lived full time as female - surgery and hormones fixed the minor detail. I think she must have transitioned as a baby(lol).

In her life she felt nothing shameful or unusual about dressing as a girl- even though her brothers and father disagreed. She simply expressed her natural self and knew no other way.

She and I have had some interesting discussions about how her experience of being trans is quite different to my experience.

She never fought herself over being male or female- she just was.

Kirsten, this sounds so much like how things were for me. Your first line about your friend having never transitioned really grabbed me because that's how I see my life and I sometimes think it's almost hard to grasp for some here what this was really like. I've kind of had to just pick out certain things or events to define the concept of transition so that others would understand it in a common way but it seems as seamless to me as it was moving in the world as a girl full time after I got out of high school. Things just happened as if some unseen force was organically driving them. Any sort of before and after is largely indiscernible beyond the obvious change of name and paperwork as I never had to learn how to be a girl or be feminine or change my behavior, personality or even my appearance that much and I never had to unlearn how to be a boy either having never acquired those attributes, whatever they are, in the first place. What came out was just me. As a boy, that was too much of a girl to be perceived as one. I've posted enough recently for many of you to be familiar with my story (if you've ever managed to wade through my lengthy posts) but another line from your comments about your friend; "she simply expressed her natural self and knew no other way" describes me perfectly.

I've read through this thread and heard things like embarrassment, humiliation and punishment for getting caught and hiding your gender atypical behaviors and interests fearing repercussion from your parents, sibling, friends and peer group but this hiding simply wasn't an option for me nor was it something I ever tried to do. The whole concept of that escapes me but don't get the impression I don't know what you were hiding from.

I was a boy. I know the boy rules and I know the kind of familial and social pressures put on boys that don't follow those rules or don't fit into the club. I may even be more aware of these things than those that were able to hide or fake it, save for your few close calls with getting caught and awkward moments because not following those rules and not fitting into the club was an inescapable part of my everyday life. This was not something internalized or hidden and very visible to others. I was a girl and wanted others to see me as one and to be one. That was my struggle.

I don't really like the term gender non-conforming because it insinuates that there are standards that need to be conformed to but if look at things from a 3rd party perspective and we want to fall back to some of those old Harry Benjamin concepts and terms, I was completely "pychosexually inverted" or cross-gender identified.  In today's vernacular, I was an extremely gender dysphoric prepubescent child which in itself is a concept and mindset I have a hard time applying to myself. Then as now, I just understood myself to be a girl and I've lived my entire adult life in evidence of that and rather than hide, my challenges were to express that as clearly and as loudly as I could when I was a kid so that others would share in my understanding. The things that most of you kept to yourself or tried to hide from your parents or whomever were the things I most wanted to them and the rest of the world to see in me. At least somehow my folks got it.

I knew no other way to be other than to just be myself and you might say I uninhibitedly and unconsciously wore my gender on my sleeve for the whole world to see but this just happened and wasn't something I did on purpose until I got older. I wanted people to see me as a girl which to me wasn't something shameful or unusual because that's what I knew myself to be without any internal conflict or questioning about it.

Certainly my life was confusing but I wasn't stupid. I knew the parts I had made me a boy but I just couldn't understand why this had happened to me and how things could have ever mixed up so badly? How did me, a girl, end up in this predicament was the biggest question I had and much of my young life was all about making sure everyone else did understood me the way that I understood myself. I never debated if I was a boy or a girl, or even considered it as a question - I was just who I was and who I've always been my entire life.

QuoteLisa_K I would love to be upset by one of your posts!

You may be one of the few with the patience to even read my novels. For some reason, this thread kicked off me writing a response over the course of several days that I only posted about a quarter of because it was painfully long even by my standards.

Yes, we do all have different experiences and ways we deal with our situation, no doubt.
  •  

Lisa89125

Lisa_K, I've actually enjoyed reading your novels. I've never known anyone to just be themselves at such a young age. Let alone someone who had parents willing to go along with it to some degree. Your experience is quite interesting to me.

Lisa


"My inner self knows better than my outer self my true gender"

Not yet quite ready to post my real self.
  •  

Alice (nym)

Was never caught but I bet my mother knew. There was one time when I was about 16... and I have no idea how I was so reckless, but she found the butt plug I was using and tidied up my mess and put it on the bed with my folded clothes.  Wow, that was a heart in the mouth moment. I didn't say a word, and neither did she. But I purged all the clothes I had managed to collect and all my trans clippings from newspapers and magazines. I was collecting them again a couple of months later. I went back to where I had ditched them in the hope of getting them back but someone must've found them and moved them... which made me paranoid as hell because I had left them in a difficult place to find and well off the beaten track.

I always wanted to wear girls clothes since I was 2 years old but never had the courage to do so in case I got caught. Getting caught for me would've been a belting if I was lucky... probably a lot worse. I didn't pluck up the courage to dress until I was 14... although I started wearing my mother's shoes as soon as I was size 5 (UK), until I grew out of them.

I can't remember how I discovered it but, I found that bits of my mother's clothing would fall behind the drawers and collect underneath the bottom drawer. So I will see if she discovered it for a couple of weeks and if she didn't, then I took out the bottom drawer and claimed whatever was there for myself.

I purged everything when I was about 22 after a bad experience of being made to look like a drag queen and I stopped wearing women's clothing until my early 30s. And then I only mixed male and female clothing now and again. It was never really about the clothes for me, that was just a means of expressing my identity, it was always more about wanting my genitals changed. 
Don't hate the hate... Start spreading the love.
  •