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Which mtf milestone marks the trans-woman’s “mtf birthday”?

Started by ChrissyRyan, January 27, 2019, 07:25:03 PM

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Dana Thompson

I think it's the day I started hormones. I even put an annual reminder in my calendar (not that I'm in any danger of forgetting!). I may legitimately celebrate that day as my birthday from now on. I may switch to whenever I end up going full time, but we'll see.


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Lisa_K

Ding dong that I can be sometimes, I got the date wrong, it was June 20th, 1977, not the 19th.

Quote from: KatieP on January 28, 2019, 11:18:23 PM
OMG, Lisa. Just OMG...

Just so you know, I am SOOOOO in awe of you, to fight through all of that, back then, and to come out the other side.

Soooooo in awe...

Thanks but no, please!

I am appreciative of what you're saying but please don't be in awe of my life or think I've "fought through" anything. My childhood is more of a matter of something I managed to blindly scrape through primarily due to the intuition and insight of my mother, the step-dad that came into my life when I was ten and my grandparents from my earliest years up until my tweens. These people and the environment and the attitudes I was raised with are solely responsible for the opportunities I had and are the only real reason to explain how I did somehow get through those years of my life. Please don't romanticize my story or give me any credit for doing something special.

It all looks good and neat and tidy on paper but make no mistake, I was a very troubled, distressed special needs child that was seen as emotionally and behaviorally disturbed and my life was filled with ongoing chaos and upheaval so these things I've listed as milestones are not things I did but rather things that just happened that were often unsettling or traumatic. I simply did not have a normal childhood and the lack of my ability to socially integrate into the world as a boy was something no one had ever seen or dealt with before and this only became more difficult and caused more problems the older I got. I started seeing psychiatrists and counselors when I was ten not to try and make me different or normal but to help with my social problems and the way I was treated.

Without being new age-y or metaphysical about it, I've never been able to figure this out except to wonder if I gave off some unconscious magic energy or an aura or a vibe or something as a girl that people just picked up on and I think it's something other than just femininity but I'm pretty clueless about things like this? It's been that way throughout my entire lifetime but whatever it is, it didn't work so well for me when I was a boy and it wasn't something I could or knew how to turn off.

None of us knew anything about trans or had language to define what was going on but I didn't leave my folks a whole lot of choices. They could have abandoned me, institutionalized me or tried to beat the girl out of me but they decided to love and support me instead which is where any awe or accolades should be directed because they had no examples or guidelines suggesting this approach and just went with their gut feelings and with what helped to make me happy.

Certainly by the time I entered high school it had become clear there was no way I was ever going to survive or be successful in life as a male person and then after I was assaulted, it became even more clear that life and the world wasn't going to beat the girl out of me either and once we all got on the same page about that, my folks were all on board with trying to give me the best shot at life they could. This was 49 years ago and it simply doesn't seem possible.

What is hard to convey is that all this just happened organically and more or less in a bubble. There was no concept of transitioning as a planned and calculated thing as it is now or maybe it's just because I simply grew up to be a girl as that's how I understood myself to be so there was never any real starting point to transition from or before and after. None of this was even labeled, at least not by me because I still didn't have the words or really understood the implications of what was happening.

This is hard to explain so it makes any sense because many here speak about some point or a milestone of recognizing they were trans but I never had a eureka moment like that or understood things within that framework because I didn't know anything about it. All I knew and never really questioned was that I was a girl even though my parts were different and I wanted other people to understand me the same way that I did.

I also didn't realize being successfully accepted into the world and by family as a girl and doing nothing different to stay in school as a he/him would take such a toll on me. The 1971/72 school year when I was a 16/17 y/o junior was nearly the end of me. I was depressed, isolated, withdrawn and suicidal and wanted to drop out of school because I just didn't want to be around people that knew I wasn't a real girl when in all other aspects of my life, that's what I was seen as being but to my folks, staying in school was hella more important than if I was a boy or a girl which had long since become irrelevant.

My folks found me another doctor to talk with but I didn't want to because I'd been talking to stupid doctors and being poked and prodded since I was ten. This was different though and I didn't stonewall. He sent me to a psychiatrist and a psychologist and they all agreed on the diagnosis of primary transsexualism but were extra cautious because trans youth weren't really a recognized or documented thing at the time but nevertheless, I started on HRT at the beginning of summer vacation before my senior year on the condition I just suck it up and try to make it through my last year and graduate and so I did a year later with hair to my waist and body changes way to obvious to miss and I never looked back.

I really didn't have any sort of fight or conflict with my family accepting, understanding and nurturing me as a girl even before I remember and while growing up but they fought hard, did unbelievable things and put up with a lot of grief and hassle to help me deal with my problems and protected me as much as possible because I was considered emotionally and behaviorally "special needs"  I can hardly even imagine it now with all the different schools I had to go to or what they must have gone through socially supporting a kid like me when such things still today are considered outrageous and akin to child abuse by some.

So I'm not the one that had to fight any battles. All I had to do was survive and put up with a lot of crap which is hardly noteworthy. The rest of my life has been exceptionally average.
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Allison S

By 9/2017 I was on hrt and 9/2018 I went full time.

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SadieBlake

GCS unquestionably is my birthday now, that's because it took me so long to get there, it's a BFF's birthday! and GCS was so much more of a revalation than I'd expected or hoped.

I mark all those milestones, they're all important however that's the only one that feels like finally becoming. Also I am not a fan of courts so while I'm glad about name change, it's not my favorite milestone.
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Lynne

I think my second birthday will be the day I receive my new birth certificate which will have my chosen name as birth name on it.
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Lisa_K

Quote from: Lynne on January 31, 2019, 01:41:43 PM
I think my second birthday will be the day I receive my new birth certificate which will have my chosen name as birth name on it.

That would be nice. I changed all my legal documentation 46 years ago and am a couple months shy of having had SRS 42 years ago and I was born in a state THAT WILL NOT CHANGE BIRTH CERTIFICATES!

Not sure what country you're in but in the U.S. this is a mismashed patchwork of different laws and requirements from state to state. Some will issue completely new BC's and seal the record that it's ever been changed which in my opinion is how it should be done and some will issue new ones but leave a paper trail that it has been changed or mark the actual certificate itself as amended. Some will make changes but list but list the actual before and after information which couldn't be any more useless.

The National Center For Transgender Equality (NCTE) ID Documents page has more information if you live in the United States.
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KimOct

For me it is the date I went to court 3/10/17 and had my name changed.  Which was 10 days after I started living completely full time so it was pretty close together.  Those 10 days were really when my daily life changed.

I would have to look up the start dates on HRT - I remember the month Oct 2016.  My GCS was only an orchie so not as life changing as vaginoplasty but still a big deal and I can't remember for sure if it was June or July 2017 - guess I should look that up LOL.
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ChrissyRyan

These are very diverse and interesting "mtf birthday" comments!

Thank you for sharing!


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Linde

I was thinking about it, and am not sure, which date is more important for me, my upcoming orhi, or my upcoming name and gender change.  I hink the later is more the date I will choose, becuse that documents that I am a new person!
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Lynne

Quote from: Lisa_K on January 31, 2019, 08:34:59 PM
That would be nice. I changed all my legal documentation 46 years ago and am a couple months shy of having had SRS 42 years ago and I was born in a state THAT WILL NOT CHANGE BIRTH CERTIFICATES!

Not sure what country you're in but in the U.S. this is a mismashed patchwork of different laws and requirements from state to state. Some will issue completely new BC's and seal the record that it's ever been changed which in my opinion is how it should be done and some will issue new ones but leave a paper trail that it has been changed or mark the actual certificate itself as amended. Some will make changes but list but list the actual before and after information which couldn't be any more useless.

The National Center For Transgender Equality (NCTE) ID Documents page has more information if you live in the United States.

I'm sorry that the state you were born in doesn't change birth certificates and I agree that this is a really bad practice.
I also find it strange that in some(or all?) states you have to announce your name change in a newspaper and that you have to appear in court too.

I live in Hungary in Europe and until a few years ago we had a practice in place which had it's flaws but at least after everything was done we got all our records corrected with the new name and gender marker. Name and gender marker change is connected in our country, you cannot change only just one of them. We have a list of male and female names which are officially accepted by the government and only those can be given to newborns. Trans people have to pick a name with the correct gender from one of those lists as well.

And when I say all records, I mean everything. High school diploma, university degrees, driver's license, all ID cards and they even issue a new birth certificate and effectively erase the old one. Tax ID numbers and SSN does not change so you cannot commit fraud but every document lists your chosen name and gender correctly at the end. I guess it must leave some paper trail but that is not accessible to anyone normally. Of course you have to still go to other non-government connected places where they have your name on record and change that but that's understandable.

In recent years our government reorganized everything and they just stopped processing name and gender marker change requests. Our local trans organization is doing everything they can to get it going again but who knows when they'll be successful. So when they start to process these requests again it might be a good move for me to apply as soon as I can even if I don't feel totally ready because who knows when I'll have the chance.
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Linde

Quote from: Lynne on February 01, 2019, 03:53:42 PM
We have a list of male and female names which are officially accepted by the government and only those can be given to newborns. Trans people have to pick a name with the correct gender from one of those lists as well.
This is also the case in Germany.  You name has to clearly identify your gender.  Maria is the only gender free name, as long as it is used together with a second name that identifies the gender.
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Stevie


I wear a bracelet for some important milestones I have one for when I lost 185 lbs, another for when I started HRT, and one for the when I changed my name and gender.  I consider the day I changed my name and gender as my birth date its only a few days from my actual birthday anyway.

  I will be adding another bracelet this year after I have surgery which just happens to be on the same day of the month as my name change, when they offered me that date when scheduling it I just had to take it.
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KimOct

Quote from: Dietlind on January 31, 2019, 09:12:07 PM
I was thinking about it, and am not sure, which date is more important for me, my upcoming orhi, or my upcoming name and gender change.  I hink the later is more the date I will choose, becuse that documents that I am a new person!

Dietlind  YAY !!!  I knew you were thinking about the orchie but is it and the name change scheduled ??
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Complete

Quote from: Lisa_K on January 28, 2019, 09:34:23 PM
The only milestone I can think of that has a date is 6/19/1977. I didn't even remember exactly when it was until two years ago and had to look it up. My 42nd birthday of having SRS is approaching!


Wow!  You guys are amazing!!! 😨  The closest l can come to an accurate date for my SRS is mid-summer 1972. It took me almost a year to recover from that and all l remember is that it was a very difficult recovery and there was a lot of pain. I had started my transitional hormone regimin about  a year earlier so there is no way l could actually pick or choose which day l could  possibly identify as significant.
What l find significant is that l was saved. Somehow l survived those awful years and l can only attribute my good fortune to the merciful Grace of God.
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Dena

Up against the two of you, I feel like a kid. My surgery date was June 23,1982 and l returned to work July 12. Returning to work wasn't one of my better ideas however I consider the 23rd to be my second birthday.
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Linde

Quote from: KimOct on February 02, 2019, 01:56:48 AM
Dietlind  YAY !!!  I knew you were thinking about the orchie but is it and the name change scheduled ??
I will see my urologist on Monday, and when my blood work shows the expected low or non existing testosteron he feels it should,  the little guys come off, and health insurance will pay for itI  My testes are extremely atrophied, and hurt for almost a year to touch.  He thinks I have a chronic inflammation in there, and if they don't do any testosterone anyway, they might just go to avoid more future complication with the testicles.

Monday is the day!
And once they are gone, I will start with name and gender change!
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NatalieRene

Quote from: Dena on February 02, 2019, 03:50:19 PM
Up against the two of you, I feel like a kid. My surgery date was June 23,1982 and l returned to work July 12. Returning to work wasn't one of my better ideas however I consider the 23rd to be my second birthday.

Going based off the SRS date I was reborn September 11th 2011.
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Lisa_K

Quote from: Complete on February 02, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
Wow!  You guys are amazing!!! The closest l can come to an accurate date for my SRS is mid-summer 1972.

All I remembered was SRS was in the summer of 1977 when I was 22. Last year was the first time I actually bothered to look it up and when I made my earlier post in this thread I even remembered it wrong so it's not like I bake a cake or throw a party or anything.

I knew the date because I kept a written diary, still have it and consider it one of my treasures. I titled it My Journal of Seemingly Significant events VOL II. I actually have two of them with the first one going back to when I was put on hormones at 17 that makes me have dysphoric memories when I look at it. The second one starts when I had a surgery date and financing locked in and is a real hoot to read with the last entry before I went digital in 1992 which is kind of a shame really. It documents my surgery and recovery, good times and bad times but most interestingly to me, all my romances, crushes and heartbreaks. I had forgotten how many people I slept with and was a little surprised because I didn't remember being such a tart. I'd also remembered telling my former husband about my history before I had sex with him wrong. It wasn't until six weeks later when I realized things were serious.

Quote from: Dena on February 02, 2019, 03:50:19 PM
Up against the two of you, I feel like a kid. My surgery date was June 23,1982 and l returned to work July 12. Returning to work wasn't one of my better ideas however I consider the 23rd to be my second birthday.

We'll still let you in the club, Dena! Hahaha! Joking of course. I took a full six weeks off work but my journal does note that I rode my motorcycle around the block a couple times 28 days after surgery just to see if I could do it because I didn't have any other transportation.

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Jessica_A

I just turned 48 last week, and am in the early stages of transitioning. My wife and I agreed that she would start using my new name on my birthday, which she has, and I think I'm just going to count that as Jessica's birthday as well.

Easy to remember that way :)

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Rachel292

As someone who suffered a dirth of birthdays for many years  , only getting one official one every 4 years , I have always taken the opportunity to celebrate whenever i could. So birthdays were traditionally spread over a few days. 
I'm inclined to celebrate all sorts of anniversaries.
But ; noting i have yet to have GRS/GCS (i'm in the list for surgery, so it won't be long now) at present it's the day I formally changed name and went full time (i was effectively full time before, but i hadn't made it official) , which was pre planned as exactly 6 months from my original birthday. There was no way after postponing it for a long time to satisfy family promises that I was going to wait , until my original birthday.
So I guess when i have GRS i'll have another one.
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