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Started by shepd, February 01, 2019, 09:57:35 AM

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shepd

Hi!  I've joined because I've been in a pretty upset state for a couple of days.  I was chatting with a very good friend, mostly about my past and somewhat about my sexuality and he brought up costumes for a halloween party that a mutual friend puts on every year.  He suggested I cross dress for halloween since I enjoy buying girl stuff (not clothes, just things that are considered feminine, such a recently a string of pink hippo lights, unicorn lighter, etc, etc).

A strange feeling came on where I suddenly associated a long lifetime of choosing typically flamboyant options with cross dressing and gender identity.  I realized that if I step over that line there is a strong chance I won't want to stop cross dressing, which led further to me questioning my gender.

I'm 40 years old and male at this point and in a situation where, for the first time in my life, I feel I can make my own decisions.  Yes, that's pretty late in life to finally be there, but when you read my story I think you'll see how it ended up that way.  I recently came out to my wife and a couple of close friends as completely bisexual.

I was adopted at birth to my parents, who were born in the early 40s in England, but moved to Ontario, Canada.  As a child I was socially awkward and bullied constantly.  My parents were (and still are to some degree, though age has helped them mellow) anti-gay and my dad recounted a personal "horror story" of falling for a trap at a bar so I'm certain he is and remains anti-trans.  I attribute this to the time they were born into and their birth city basically being considered the hick armpit of England.  I went to three schools, the first of which was rather conservative to the point of continuing religious education until the government made that illegal in public schools.  I spent a few more years at a private Christian school (though not extremely so) where I was religious enough to be "chapel sacristan".  My last few years of high school were spent at a public school in the country where many students were farmers or Mennonites.  During that time I was an altar boy.  Once I finished high school I quit the church and have been Agnostic ever since.  This experience meant my education had very limited space for even lesbian/gay issues, and transsexualism was absolute not discussed.

I was never much into toys intended for boys as a child and stuck to generic things like legos.  I was fortunate enough to get a computer at 5 (which was a rare feat for a kid in 1983) and was instantly hooked, to the point where IT has been (mostly) my career ever since.  The one toy preference that I've kept into adulthood is stuffed toys.  I have what most people would consider an impressive number of them and was embarrassed to admit to it until a few years ago when the wife basically took me shopping for some as a bit of shock therapy, I suppose.  When I was a child my parents decided at some point (i'm guessing around age 10?) that stuffed toys were inappropriate for boys and had forced me to get rid of them.

In school my friends were typically either people with mental health problems, boys who would be considered 'emotional', girls, or guys who I much later found out to be in the closet.  In fact later on in high school a very good friend made what, 20 year years later, I realized was multiple passes to the point that I never realized just how dull I was sexually to miss them (we even watched porn tapes in his locked bedroom at one point---that hard of a pass).  He came out in college.  I do regret not realizing my sexuality back then and no having taken advantage of the opportunity.  I hated phys ed class and always felt incredibly uncomfortable and embarrassed in the locker room.

I lived with my parents until age 27.  At that point a woman, who is now my wife, offered to split an apartment with me.  The relationship was intended to be purely business, however, after two or so months she made a pass on me to the point I actually noticed it.  Years later she told me she spent a month sending out signals and wondered if I was just gay or sexually dead or what.  She basically grabbed my arm and said "mind if I hug you?"  That's what it took.  I just about burst with mixed emotions at the time feeling happy that someone actually wanted me but also feeling undeserving at the same time.  We had sex after a few months of relationship, the first time ever in my life.  It didn't go well because the same mixed emotions came over me and it took multiple tries for me to get to the point of actually letting go of the undeserving feelings to make it work.  I've also had a phobia about being touched ever since puberty which made things awkward, but she worked around it and realized it would probably never be a very physical relationship, but more emotional.  This year I finally managed to rid myself of that phobia at the same time as coming out of the closet, and that's been great.

Well, we married about 3 years later and had a girl a year after that.  I have come to find my wife is rather masculine in what she likes to do and her appearance and always wants to be part of any activities that would normally be socially reserved for men.  She's also bisexual and has pushed to go to strip clubs with me and even had my try to buy her a lap dance (the club refused as a matter of policy---quite embarrassing, but whatever, I rarely go to such clubs anyways).  I asked her if she ever considered transitioning and told her I would love her and remain her husband no matter what her answer was and she said no, she was happy as she is.  She also told me, and has recently stressed, that she feels equally if I had the same feelings.

Frankly, coming out to her was easy and she reminded me that for the past 10 years there's been such obvious tells she already knew.  She did ask if I was coming out because I wanted to date men, and I told her no, I was coming out because my wife deserves to know things like this, but that if she ever widowed me I would probably date men as I haven't explored that side of me except through porn and some personal alone time activities.

As an aside, I was diagnosed officially with major depressive disorder with anxiety issues more than 2 years ago and that diagnosis came pretty late since I hardly ever go to see a doctor.  I've likely had depression issues ever since school.  The only reason I decided to seek a diagnosis was because my depression got bad enough it was making life unmanageable and my stress was being transferred to my daughter.  My wife basically told me I absolutely have to do something.  She has had depression issues most of her life and wanted me to seek therapy/medication to treat my issues.  I took SSRIs for half a year but hated how they made me feel emotionless.  I'm presently seeing a psychologist twice a month and that's been helping much more.

I did some light reading on gender dysphoria and realized I check a lot of boxes when it comes to that, including paraphilia (I am loathe to discuss that.  The only person who knows is my wife, as of last night.  Be assured, it's nothing illegal, but would certainly be classed as deviant.)

I honestly don't know what to think at this point.  I talked with a trans woman last night and she explained her experience, listened to some of my story, and suggested I laser the hair off my face to start with (I have never desired to grow a beard/mustache and have shaved religiously because I hate the feeling if it grows more than 2 days.  I am certain that I will never want to grow either in the future.) and ask the wife to take me to a fat girls store (I'm 300 lbs... so is she) and buy some women's clothes to enjoy at home after work/weekends as a start to see how I feel about it.  My wife is happy to take me and pretend to be the one shopping so I don't have to feel nervous.  Frankly, the only thing that won't be easy is shoes since she's several sizes smaller.

I'm going to do both those things but my anxiety is through the roof.  I don't know if I'm ready for this or even if I'm sure it's what I want.  I feel comfortable as a man, or at least I think I do, but I'm tired of pretending I don't want to do and enjoy girls stuff.  Hell, I use messenger bags and laptop bags anytime I go out because it's the closest socially acceptable thing to a purse for a man.

Any advice would really be appreciated.  Seeing a doctor is particularly difficult in my present situation since I'm working in Quebec but my primary residence is in Ontario (where my wife and child live).  That does mean for 5 days or more a week I'm in my own apartment, which would seem to be a strain on the marriage but in fact it's only made it stronger.  In Canada it is impossible to receive medical care outside of your home province for more than a few months without officially changing residence (thus making medical care in the other province invalid, and requiring moving absolutely everything government related along with it, which is impractical since my family lives in Ontario driving "my" car), but that makes no sense in my case since everything I care about is in Ontario and I'm literally just here on a year long contract.

What do I do?  Where do I go from here?  How can I stop beating myself up over this?  Do I actually have gender identity issues?  As you can see from what I wrote, I'm absolutely useless at self-reflection and introspection.

As for my parent's reaction, at my age I've decided I just don't care.  I don't need them in any practical way other than emotional support.  I don't want to hurt them, but if they decided to estrange me over this I would not care.  I have discovered most of my friends are far more tolerant than I expected so while a select few might feel uncomfortable at first, I don't think it would end any friendships.


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Northern Star Girl

@shepd
Dear Shep:
Let me be the first to give you a warm WELCOME TO SUSAN's PLACE and the Forums.

I have read your first posting and have digested the issues you are dealing with.

I am at work right now and can not share my thoughts with you right now BUT I will try to respond later today.
There is also other important welcome information that i will later reply to you.

Now that other members are aware of your arrival and the concerns that you have stated I would expect that they will share thier thoughts with you soon.

Until then please enjoy the posts and threads on the forums.
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Hi Shepd  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's Place  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

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shepd

Thanks!  Sorry about you having to edit the post.  Didn't think of that.  :)  It doesn't change the discussion anyways.
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shepd

Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on February 01, 2019, 11:33:18 AM
@shepd
Dear Shep:
Let me be the first to give you a warm WELCOME TO SUSAN's PLACE and the Forums.

I have read your first posting and have digested the issues you are dealing with.

I am at work right now and can not share my thoughts with you right now BUT I will try to respond later today.
There is also other important welcome information that i will later reply to you.

Thank you!
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Zoey421

Hi Shepd, Welcome to Susan's Place. I'm 54y and came out transgender on November 14, 2018, most of the time dress as a woman (except with my 20y son and business travel), recently separated and, frankly, the happiest I have been in decades. I had a major depressive episode 14 years ago and manage general anxiety for decades. Accepting that my gender identity is female has been an immense relief and helped mitigate the general anxiety and depression.

What I did was accept me, accept me for who I am.

First, seek a therapist with experience treating gender identity issues. I'm seeing a therapist and he is pushing me to examine many aspects of my identity, which is really important to ensure I'm ready, when I ready, to transition.

Second, you seem to have a loving wife and she will be important as emotional support. You also seem to have an understanding and supportive group of friends. Your social network will always be important to maintain your mental health.

Last, except yourself, love yourself, be yourself.

I am living a double life in Vancouver ... most days as Zoey, some hours as the other guy. I'm comfortable with this. My therapist said today something important ... society and our immediate social circles have a way of shaping how we see ourselves, placing labels on us ... mentally ill, gay, bisexual, transgender, male, female ... but a label does not make you or me. Accepting your true self, whoever that may be, will help strip away the labels and allow you to be you.

If your comfortable being a male who occasionally dresses in female clothing, great! You decide to be something different than this, that's okay too. Be confident. Be self-assured. Go forward with pride in who you are.

I have learned in 3 months I'm in a process and need to let the process unfold in its own way. I focus on today, try not to worry about yesterday, and try not to guess what will happen tomorrow. Yesterday I can't change and I have no idea what tomorrow will bring.

I hope you find support through this forum. I know I have and have made some good friends in the process.

See ya, eh ...

Zoey
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Maid Marion

Welcome Shepd!

You are lucky to have a supportive wife!  My guess is that it helps that she is bisexual, so she can appreciate your feminine side!  In any case, it can take a while to work through gender issues.
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KathyLauren

It sounds like there is a good chance that you may be transgender.  But, since you are not sure and seem to be searching for answers, seeing a therapist is a really good idea.

Because of your residency issues, you have several options.  You could pay your own way to see a therapist.  Many people do that anyway so avoid long waiting lists in the public health system.  Or you could take time off work to stay in Ontario for a day, now and then, to see one.  Or you could wait until your current contract expires and then begin at home.
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shepd

Thank you all.  I am going to discuss this with my current psychologist next meeting to get a referral to a psychologist with expertise in this specific field.  Since I'm serious about this I should put my money where my mouth is and just pay for it.

In the meantime I intend to experiment at home with clothes, etc. until I get an expert's opinion on what to do.  That will allow me to have some better insight without taking my anxiety to a whole new level.

I'll update once I have more details.
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Jessica

Quote from: shepd on February 01, 2019, 02:37:28 PM
Thanks!  Sorry about you having to edit the post.  Didn't think of that.  :)  It doesn't change the discussion anyways.

Don't worry about it, I made my share of mistakes when I was new to the site.

Hugs and smiles, Jessica

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KimOct

Shepd - If that was the edited version... oh my. LOL.  Just teasing.  When I first starting seeing a gender therapist I wrote a 7 page letter that was just supposed to be a summary.  We have a lot bottled up over a life time.

Your title was looking for advice.  There are a lot of ways to take that.  Looking for answers? Looking for input? Looking for opinions? Suggestions?

My advice regarding advice LOL is that many of us will come at things on this forum from different perspective based on our own experiences.  I think the thing to do is read opinions of others but see what rings true to YOU.  And what makes sense now will change over the upcoming weeks and months.

Regarding your gender concerns it is my opinion that gender is a spectrum.  Consider sexuality... some people are straight some are gay some are bi and so on.  I think gender is the same.  Most people are cis some people are trans and other people are non binary.   Many identify as crossdressers and believe they have no desire to transition and that is true for some.  Many other crossdressers eventually transition and they didn't want to face their truth for a long time.  I am not saying all crossdressers just some.

Anyway to wrap up - take Zoey's advice - go with the flow - see where this journey takes you.  Find a therapist - they really do help guide this journey.  You don't need to find all the answers tomorrow and even if you wanted to it wouldn't happen anyway,  this journey does not take place overnight whether we want it to or not.
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shepd

Thanks again!  I woke up this morning far more confident in myself than I have felt in years.

I'm going to specifically speak with a gender therapist regarding non-binary options.  I feel like both genders and I think that's why I needed to write such an epic, to convince myself of what I want.  Putting it in a box of "male" or "female" doesn't work.

Wife is taking me to have my ears pierced in a couple of weeks.  I'm over the hump of indecision.  Now it's on to deciding just now non-binary I want to be.  I'll be correcting my friends on my orientation a little as well...  it's pan, not bi.

After all, when I mentioned this to my wife this morning, she came out as non-binary herself.  Guess that's why she's always been on the fence about gender.

I finally am starting to feel happy with myself.  Bet my psychologist is going to see a huge difference in my disposition, too.

FWIW, the mods just removed one (maybe two?) sentence and explained why to me.  I won't disclose what rule I broke but I also don't think the mods are going to lose any sleep over it, either.  ;)
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shepd

Been a while, wanted to post an update.  I've since been seeing a psychiatrist, who I'm working on getting a gender therapist referral from.  I have also begun crossdressing in public and feel great about it, even though I couldn't pass for the life of me at this point.  Even got my ears pierced.  I've been working on feminizing my voice, which is going well considering I only started two weeks ago.  I've discovered wearing women's clothes makes me feel content, safe, and happy.

So, with that being said, I'm coming out as non-binary and several friends know, one co-worker knows, and my family knows.  Tomorrow I'll get the psychiatrist to sign the paperwork to change my birth certificate to X gender, and I intend to follow that up with a name change to a more gender neutral name, "Dee Jay".  Yeah, it's corny, but I wanted to keep my initials and there's not a lot of "D" names that are gender neutral enough for me.  Also works well with my handle.

My parents took it about as poorly as I expected (all the way up to and including "You'll get hit on by homosexual men, please don't go out with them!") but they'll deal with it...  I'm their only child so in the end they don't exactly have much choice.  ;) 

It's been a whirlwind these past couple of months but I'm so much happier than I've been for years.

I'm losing weight and intend to reach my BMI in 2020 (Still 80 pounds to lose), at which point, unless I'm otherwise convinced between now and then, I'll start HRT.
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shepd

Forgot to mention the biggest change for me!  For the first time in my entire life, I quit biting my nails down to the quick.  They're nice and long and I paint them as often as I can get away with!
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D'Amalie

I'm excited for you!  Not much else we can say to you for the moment.  I'm sure we'll be following your tale :)

Thank you for sharing!
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