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when is it ok to worry about lack of results?

Started by Eve of chaos, February 14, 2019, 05:56:59 PM

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Eve of chaos

so I am sure this has been asked numerous times. and i searched and browsed old posts. most being fairly old. and I decided I wasn't going to feel any better on the situation unless i asked specifically referring to myself.

I'm a few days shy of 5 months HRT now. I've been trying to be patient and seeing/feeling changes to my body. but every month that passes it gets harder and harder to accept that I really haven't felt anything or noticed anything.

so a bit of history on me. 7 ish or so years ago I began to transition using HRT. the ticker on my sig is from that time. I made it to 3-4 months in and panicked that I felt and noticed no changes. my panic came from semi obsessing over others transitions, the good results and the not so lucky. regardless of the details this constant obsession mixed with my feeling of no results led me to quit flat out and try to put it behind me. settling on the fact that It wasnt going to do enough for me to be happy.

so then about 7 months ago that all didn't work and I found myself making another endo appointment. this time with a strong resolve to take it slow. to wait it out and be patient and to try and stay hopeful. this meant more or less staying away from too many forums and others result. bascially not making transition such a forefront thing. and sort of letting it go naturally until i (hopefully) start to male fail.

anyway, thats just to explain my mindset. so heres the details. I know I cant mention dosages here so ill be vague. when i quit HRT the first time i had started at a low dose of a common AA (am I allowed to state which one?) and Estrogen. 3 months in the dosage was mor eor less doubled. i lasted a month on that dosage before stopping.
4 months into HRT this time I started on that double dosage I quit on. I went to the same endo so she had all my history and remembered me.

this time in the first 4 months I actually noticed some very slight changes. but they were very very sparse. for example, there was one day where the entire day my chest felt sore. and it was the first time i felt breast development. but the next day it was gone completely., i think it happened two more times. weeks or months apart the same way. but that was it. after those times i noted some very small development in that area. but havent seen any progress past that in the last month or two.

4 months in i revisited my endo. got my levels checked and my dosage was changed. only my AA was raised, it was doubled from what it was. and now my dosages are sitting at why i can surmise to be the highest levels generally prescribed. my T levels were 3 times as high as the goal. the estrogen was within the levels she wanted. but the range for the levels was quit large and my levels were close to the lower end. if that matters idk.

either way i had really high hopes that this dosage change would amplify my progress, but honestly i fear its done the opposite. now I am fully aware that I am actually a pretty neurotic person, so i could just be blowing things up, its just getting increasingly hard to fight myself to be patient and not panic. at 5 months I feel like I should really have been noticing more. I havent felt anything in my chest for over 2 months. i feel like my body hair is growing in faster that it was a few months ago. I'm even questioning if my sex drive is coming back hard. everything that had happened aside from those few times i felt chest soreness I feel could have easily been in my head.

Im trying hard not to have a repeat of my first attempt here. I just cant shake the feeling that things arent working as they are supposed to. I'm going to a well known and recommended endo for trans HRT therapy. I feel she would know best, but I wonder if its possible for my body to just not take to HRT. or maybe just not the form Im prescribed.

I don't know what specific question I'm asking. I'm basically just looking for advice, I've been out of the Trans information loop of my own choosing so Idk if the information im holding myself to is even still relevant. is it still regarded that after 1 year of HRT those are the changes you can expect? is there any new information on HRT methods? is it possible there are better alternatives? am I panicking for nothing? how do I even begin to approach this?

I havent taken many pictures this time around. my avatar is pre HRT but less than a year old. I mostly still just present as male, or I don't try to have any obvious female markers and let sort of present androgynous, but I'll attach some here. maybe someone can tell me if they notice changes that I don't see. 

today (wearing a corset underneath my shirt. I do not have any curves whatsoever unfortunately)


Begining of february. a week or so after upping my AA


right at 4 months. day or two after upping AA


christmas time. right around 3 months in


a few days before HRT. trying to present female for a baseline. dont think I took any pictures of myself in between these times. also wearing a corset, hip pads and wig. wish I had a better neutral picture.


sorry for the neurotic post...I'm sure its hard to follow and hard to make out my point. but any comments or experiences are appreciated.

GingerVicki

I don't know how helpful this will be but everything takes time. I've read that people who develop fast slow down later and the opposite. It takes time. I've seen changes but not enough to pass at 4 1/2 months.
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Jessica

Hi Eve....one thing that is a given is that everyone develops at their own rate and YMMV (Your Milage May Vary).  One of the indicators may be found in your closest female relatives, your mother or sister.  If they are aware and supporting, you could try asking them how they developed when they were young girls.  Your can possibly get an idea what you may achieve by looking at them too.
The fact that your endo has reputable transgender experience makes me think you are in good hands.  It definitely does take patience, one thing that got me through this stage was thinking about what I would be losing if I gave up.
Let me also say that I think you look quite feminine, so maybe you've had more of an effect from hrt that you had thought.

Hugs and smiles from a California girl

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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Maid Marion

If you don't mind, has your anxiety or dysphoria changed any since going on HRT?
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CindyLouFromCO

Hi Eve,
You honestly look great!

You probably are freaking out.  Changes take years.  Two years at least for m2f.

You asked if there are HRT alternatives?

I don't not know what or how you are taking you meds.  I do injections now.  Estrogen and progesterone only.

If you are on estrogen pills consider taking them sublingual if you are not.

My pics compared to one year HRT compared to two or three are night and day!  I look at my one year and two year pics and I think " damn girl was that really you."

I've taken what others have offered, so now I'm giving back.
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Eve of chaos

Quote from: Maid Marion on February 14, 2019, 07:21:25 PM
If you don't mind, has your anxiety or dysphoria changed any since going on HRT?

honestly no.
the first time I went on HRT I really freaked out because i never mentally felt different. this time I was ready for that and didn't expect it to.

though my dysphoria mainly comes from how I feel about my physical appearance and less of a general feeling of being "wrong". so I don't even know what a shift in that would feel like.

Quote from: CindyLouFromCO on February 14, 2019, 07:30:18 PM
Hi Eve,
You honestly look great!

You probably are freaking out.  Changes take years.  Two years at least for m2f.

You asked if there are HRT alternatives?

I don't not know what or how you are taking you meds.  I do injections now.  Estrogen and progesterone only.

If you are on estrogen pills consider taking them sublingual if you are not.

My pics compared to one year HRT compared to two or three are night and day!  I look at my one year and two year pics and I think " damn girl was that really you."



thank you. I personally feel like I as decent at passing before HRT. better when I was younger of course. so i dont know how much I can attribute to HRT and how much is just genetics.

I'm taking pills. 2 of the spiro, 2 of the estrogen, and 1 finasteride.  all in the morning daily. my doctor told me to take them all at once and not split them up. I think the first time I was on HRT I took me E sublingual, I guess it doesn't hurt to do that again. I'll give it a try!

I sort of looked into spiro alternatives, and theres so much conflicting things on the internet with it being the best option or a bad option. i just don't know what to think.

it is somewhat comforting knowing the timeline isnt 1 year and thats all the changes youll get. i have been really fixated on that. either I made that up somehow or is that somewhat new information in recent years?

CindyLouFromCO

Quote from: Eve of chaos on February 14, 2019, 07:41:44 PM
honestly no.
the first time I went on HRT I really freaked out because i never mentally felt different. this time I was ready for that and didn't expect it to.

though my dysphoria mainly comes from how I feel about my physical appearance and less of a general feeling of being "wrong". so I don't even know what a shift in that would feel like.

thank you. I personally feel like I as decent at passing before HRT. better when I was younger of course. so i dont know how much I can attribute to HRT and how much is just genetics.

I'm taking pills. 2 of the spiro, 2 of the estrogen, and 1 finasteride.  all in the morning daily. my doctor told me to take them all at once and not split them up. I think the first time I was on HRT I took me E sublingual, I guess it doesn't hurt to do that again. I'll give it a try!

I sort of looked into spiro alternatives, and theres so much conflicting things on the internet with it being the best option or a bad option. i just don't know what to think.

it is somewhat comforting knowing the timeline isnt 1 year and thats all the changes youll get. i have been really fixated on that. either I made that up somehow or is that somewhat new information in recent years?

I would consider splitting up the estrogen and taking it sublingual.  Not sure why your endo has you in spiro and finesteride.  Finesteride has some bad mental side effects.

Yes all of the HRT information is all over the place.  Just do what feels right to you.  Personally I feel much better without spiro and Finesteride.




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I've taken what others have offered, so now I'm giving back.
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Maid Marion

Body image is a common and tough one to deal with, even for CIS girls.  Not only are society's standards unrealistic, but we are constantly being bombarded by messages everywhere about the importance of women looking good.
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Allison S

You can always try injections, those seem to work really well... If you're sticking to pills then yeah, take them sublingually and split up your doses. But it could just be that your body is taking a while to get accustomed

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Linde

@ Eve
I am pretty much in the same boat as you.  The only advantage I have is that i went already into HRT looking pretty OK female (I had my own boobs already).  I went on HRT with the hope that everything would speed up a little.  The only measurable change I have, is that my feet tend to swell up quite a bit since i take estrogen, and I take spiro to keep the swelling under contol.  My T is pretty darn low (prior to spiro), so T cannot be the reason that I don't feel anything.

It seems as if some of us can take estrogen like candy, and will not see any results of it, at least not rapid results!  My breasts seem to grow with the same speed they did prior to me taking HRT, which means those girls continue to hurt (they do that for the last 3 or so years already)
I will not give up, because I pass pretty much 100% of the time already, but would love to have a little bigger boobs pretty soon!

I will see if my surgery will cause any changes, and just hang in there!

Good luck for you!
Hugs
Linde
02/22/2019 bi-lateral orchiectomy






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