How to refute religious arguments?

[AlexUABC]

Since I have reason to use I have always felt that I am a girl trapped in the body of a child I have grown and although I tried to get this idea is inside me and I know that I am actually a woman but when telling my parents I always leave with his argument that "God made you man" "God is not wrong"
How can I rebut them?

[CosmicJoke]

I wish I knew the answer to this but I don't. If they don't accept it then they don't accept it unfortunately. You might need to do this without them I am afraid.

[Northern Star Girl]

Since I have reason to use I have always felt that I am a girl trapped in the body of a child I have grown and although I tried to get this idea is inside me and I know that I am actually a woman but when telling my parents I always leave with his argument that "God made you man" "God is not wrong"
How can I rebut them?

@AlexUABC
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[Northern Star Girl]

@AlexUABC   
Oh, and another thing Alex...
Please plan to write a post and tell us more about yourself in the Introductions Forum so that other members will be aware of your arrival... therefore you will be able to share your thoughts with more members here.
     
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NOTE: Now after all of this Greeting Stuff I will let you have your thread back so you can pursue answers to your questions.
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[Chloe]

"God made you man" "God is not wrong"

*sigh* Unlike YOU God will still love me regardless? It's called *forgiveness* and *grace*!

lol There's only One God but which man-made "religion" we talkin' 'bout anyway?

[Battle Goddess]

"God blessed you with perfect teeth. How dare you get cavities."

"God gave you those eyes. It is an abomination to wear glasses, and contact lenses are disgusting."

"No hip surgery for you, Grandma! And I'm taking your painkillers and walker away."

"Jesus loves me, and God wants me to be happy. I prayed to them, and they said to tell you to stop trying to hurt me."

"In your ear."

[SarahWithin]

I'm legally blind. I was born 3 1/2 months prematurely. I was also born with incorrect genitalia, which means I was born with a double whammy. Let me tell you right now that I never once have blamed God (whoever he or she really may be). People who grind a religious axe are using that to bolster their flawed, unreasonable beliefs, behind which many hide their own discrepancies and shortcomings. Spiritual bullies will never change what they think or believe. You can't reason with them or win them over. I've found that those who sincerely want to be good people will see who we really are and accept us with love, care and understanding. The rest don't matter and should be avoided because they cloak their hate and lack of openness within a thin coating of "love" that falls away all too quickly. I speak from much personal experience.



Hugs x 2,
Sarah From Chitown
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[Ryuichi13]

Despite not being Christian like those that usually confront me about being transgender, I am a pretty religious person. 

However, I also don't subscribe to the "God doesn't make mistakes" philosophy. 

I believe that evolution is ongoing and present, and we are part of that.  I believe that we are the evolution of "what happens when this gender is born with that/those secondary sexual characteristics?  What do we as transgender people choose to do about it?"

Humankind has evolved to the point where we can change our external gender, something that many of us have done, are currently doing, planning on doing, or choosing to not do.  It is up to us as spiritual beings to choose or not choose to evolve past what "birth defects" we may have been born with when it comes to being transgender.

It is not up to humanity to judge us, yet they do.  We judge ourselves, and many of us seek therapy in order to overcome the wrong that Society teaches us. 

We are not wrong.  We exist, we are valid and we are just as human as the next person, be they cis, trans, nonbinary, intersex or neutrois. 

We are all human.

Ryuichi 

[Maid Marion]

I'm nonbinary, so if you buy me a couple 32 short suits that fit  as well as my women's clothes, I'll wear them to work.

I've gone into men's stores, asked if they have anything that fit, got a negative response, and left.  And that was when my waistline was four inches more than it is now!  They just don't have anything that small.

[Devlyn]

God makes variety.

People make mistakes, the biggest one being believing that they know what God's plans are.

[Rachel]

You can not reason with a person that does not want to listen.

There are a lot of things in the old and new testament that are just not done today. Stoning of adulterers, restricted diets, not working on certain days and the list can go on. So basically people have chosen to ignore parts and enforce on others parts of the bible. This is not to mention there are many contradiction in the bible. So some are playing god and choosing what to believe and what not to believe. Just my thoughts on organized exclusionary religion.

[KathyLauren]

(Disclaimer: I am not Christian.  But I was raised in that tradition, and I still can speak the language.)

The science is becoming more clear all the time that being transgender is something that we are born with.  That means that God made us transgender.  And He does not make mistakes.

For whatever reason, He made us this way.  Though it is sometimes hard to think of it this way, it is a gift from Him.  The Parable of the Talents tells us that, when we receive a gift like that, He doesn't want us to hide it.  He wants us to run with it and make something of it.

Ultimately it may be futile to argue.  Many people are willing to ignore reason and logic, so trying to argue with them may be pointless.  But you should be confident in your heart that, wherever it leads, this is the path that God intended for you.

[Chloe]

Though it is sometimes hard to think of it this way, it is a gift from Him.

            OMG @KathyLauren I'll second that! God is NON-BINARY and indeed it's all those "dual cis" folks who are causing most of the world's problems!

[krobinson103]

I was born right... I am transgender and being so makes me more me. I am stronger, more compassionate, more empathetic, and happier being just who I am. I don't wish I was anything else and anyone who tells me that I should somehow be what I am not has no place in my life simple. Any body who who claims that a god or gods has deemed I'm not correct subscribes to a flawed belief system in my book.

[Linde]

My niece is a Methodist pastor, she is also one of my strongest supporters.  She says God make no mistakes, and God made you!  How can you be a mistake if God, who makes no mistakes, made you?

[Kate.claire]

From the dictionary -

religion - a particular system of faith and worship

faith - strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof

rebut - claim or prove that (evidence or an accusation) is false


I believe you seek the impossible.

I sympathize though, but as others have said, it's not an argument to win, all you can hope is that their love wins over in time and that they are overcome by a happier version of you.


Also as someone working in genetics of rare undiagnosed disease in newborns... I would say by their rules that God does indeed appear to get things wrong with some frequency.  I know the parents of these children would happily correct God's mistake.  Some have said he/she/it is testing their faith... that's fine... they haven't quite explained what he was doing to the child that lives 3 weeks of a brutal existence and dies.  Seems a callous way to test someone's faith.

[Sophiaprincess2019]

How can I rebut them?

You can't change what another person thinks. I'd probably start asking myself "Why do I feel it's important to rebut them?" Let them think what's best for THEM... You have your own life to live.

Hugs...

Sophia

[Chloe]

God make no mistakes, and God made you!

         Linde What 'bout "Aliens"? Does God hate them too? Ya know my *ears* are plenty pointy and large already, have "material" to work with, "dear God, can I plz have my Vulcan TIPS" now?

[Linde]

         Linde What 'bout "Aliens"? Does God hate them too? Ya know my *ears* are plenty pointy and large already, have "material" to work with, "dear God, can I plz have my Vulcan TIPS" now?

I don't know about them, because non of them ever ran across my path!  If they are as pretty as the one in that picture you had, and if they are lesbian, I think God made them specifically for me!

[Ricki Wright]

I gather that you wish to resolve this with less conflict, so a majority of my arguments are invalid in your case. I lost a sister when I told her I was trans. Her "God" (ahem Priests) tell her to "love the sinner hate the sin", which still has the words "Hate" and "Sin" in it.  What I am is not a sin.

You could try something simple, like "No. God made me a woman, and gave me a penis so that I might learn the value of a vagina." but that may start a larger argument.

You could change over to a more lgbt+ friendly brand of religion then let them know your God loves you. Alllll of you.

You could try explaining to them that you have been Called by God to be a woman, because it is the truth.

Yes, I have been called "Confrontational" in the past, which is why none of those lines of reasoning will suit you particularly well.

If you have access to youtube you could try listening to : The Baptist Pastor and His Transgender Friends | Mark Wingfield | TEDxCharlottesville and Why I chose my LGBTQ daughter over the Evangelical Church | Susan Cottrell | TEDxMileHigh. Not knowing if you are being stopped by a person calling themselves Christian, there are other videos about other religions as well.

The sad truth is that convincing a person of faith that their faith is "wrong" about something requires them to have a crisis of faith. It sounds like your parents can either choose to believe you, or what they have been taught.

I choose to believe that God put me here to learn, love, and grow. That means that God will teach, love, and nurture me regardless of my path as long as I do not break the commandments.

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 Matthew 22:35-40 KJV

As their child, are you also not your parents neighbor? That being the case, they should love you as they love themselves without question for all other laws look to these two commandments.

When you are an adult, if you are not already, you (who is made in His own image) will need to make a choice to either be true to yourself and live in the Image God made you (Trans woman), or hide His creation behind the shell of the body you were put in. Both choices are difficult and there is some pain either way. Only one path is honest and comes with peace of mind however.

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I see you. I accept you. I will pray for you,

Ricki