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Progesterone Is Important for Transgender Women’s Therapy

Started by Jessica, March 09, 2019, 06:44:42 PM

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Jessica

In my search for answers, I found that the one I was always given to my wonderings of the beneficial effects of progesterone that cis-women experience and why would it be a detriment to transgender women.  It seems plausible that progesterone should be introduced at some point during hrt transitioning.  But I was told, no, you'll develop breast cancer, no, you will have terrible moods, no, you'll be at a higher risk for cardiovascular diseases.  I thought, then why don't cis-women have these problems?
Well it turns out there are misconceptions and unknowns that drive those thoughts.

The article in full below from January 2019 disputes those thoughts. Dosages in relation to sleep were removed as per site policy.
It's a long read, written in Doctor speak, so I've included the conclusions of the writer at the bottom.

QuoteProgesterone Is Important for Transgender Women's Therapy—Applying Evidence for the Benefits of Progesterone in Ciswomen
Jerilynn C Prior
The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Volume 104, Issue 4, 1 April 2019,
Published: 03 January 2019  Article history

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Abstract
Background
Although the 2017 Endocrine Society Guidelines for gender dysphoria stipulated that cross-sex hormone therapy (CHT) achieve gonadal steroid levels equivalent to those of a cisperson of the chosen sex, for transgender women (male-to-female gender dysphoria), current gonadal therapy is usually estradiol. Accumulated evidence indicates that normally ovulatory menstrual cycles are necessary for ciswomen's current fertility, as well as for later-life bone and cardiovascular health and the prevention of breast and endometrial cancers.
Evidence Acquisition
Extensive past clinical experience with transgender women's CHT using estradiol/estrogen combined with progesterone/medroxyprogesterone and pioneering the addition of spironolactone. Comprehensive progesterone physiology research plus a brief review of transgender women's literature to assess current therapy and clinical outcomes, including morbidity and mortality.
Purpose
To emphasize that both ovarian hormones, progesterone as well as estradiol, are theoretically and clinically important for optimal transgender women's CHT.
Evidence Synthesis
It is important to add progesterone to estradiol and an antiandrogen in transgender women's CHT. Progesterone may add the following: (i) more rapid feminization, (ii) decreased endogenous testosterone production, (iii) optimal breast maturation to Tanner stages 4/5, (iv) increased bone formation, (v) improved sleep and vasomotor symptom control, and (vi) cardiovascular health benefits.
Conclusions
Evidence has accrued that normal progesterone (and ovulation), as well as physiological estradiol levels, is necessary during ciswomen's premenopausal menstrual cycles for current fertility and long-term health; transgender women deserve progesterone therapy and similar potential physiological benefits.
Issue Section: Perspective
The recent Endocrine Society clinical practice guidelines for "gender dysphoric/gender incongruous persons" advise clinicians to "maintain sex hormone levels within the normal range for the person's affirmed gender" (1). Every normal, fertile, menstrual cycle in cisgendered women (whose gender identity as women aligns with their female sex assigned at birth) ideally produces progesterone, as well as estradiol (E2). Therefore, rather than being treated with daily E2 and an antiandrogen, as is the current clinical practice, to follow guidelines, we need to prescribe oral micronized progesterone (referred to in this article as progesterone) as an at least cyclic component of treatment of all transgender women (gender dysphoric men to women). With the addition of progesterone to E2 therapy, we will highly likely be able to decrease the prevalence of the two health risks that are now documented to be higher than the general population of women or men in transgender women, as currently treated: cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) (2–5) and low bone density and fracture (3, 6). Thus, the purpose of this Perspectives article is to detail the potential benefits, and unlikely adverse effects, of the addition of progesterone treatment to transgender women's endocrine therapy.

I came to this perspective on treatment of transgender women from my experience as the endocrinology lead in a Gender Dysphoria Clinic in the 1980s and early 1990s. We then pioneered the addition of spironolactone (antiandrogen), to estrogen (E) for transgender women (7). As guidelines now say (1), we were treating with oral E (it was before transdermal E2 therapy became available) plus medroxyprogesterone acetate (MPA; as it was also before oral micronized progesterone became available). My perspective is shaped by the prioritization of disease prevention over its treatment, the dictum that clinicians should aim to "do no harm" and that the consideration of physiological-first principles and high-grade evidence leads to improved patient care.

Before a discussion of progesterone's importance for transgender health, it is first necessary to understand the physiological roles and partnership of E2 and the hormone progesterone (P4) in enhancing ciswomen's health. The "job" of E2 is to cause important cell growth that manifests as initial and continued cellular proliferation (8). By contrast, although P4 in cell culture causes proliferation for a few days, it then transforms into its primary, maturational role that includes inhibition of the proliferative effects of E2 (8). Both E2 and P4 act, not just in the pelvic and sex organs, but also in every tissue of ciswomen's bodies during the entire span of their reproductive years. Balanced levels of these ovarian hormones during the 30 to 45 years of menstrual life appear sufficient to decrease the risk for many diseases that may otherwise present during the years of menopause (beginning a year after the final menstruation) and aging when both gonadal steroid levels are normally low.

That cyclic P4 is necessary for ciswomen's fertility is well recognized (9); it is less well appreciated that within regular, normal-length cycles, P4 levels and ovulation are quite variable between cycles within-woman and between women (10). This variability provided the opportunity to "see" the adverse health effects (e.g., on changes in bone density) of subclinical ovulatory disturbances (anovulation or short/insufficient luteal phases within regular cycles) (10, 11). Perhaps because of cumulative and daily life stressors, approximately one-third of regular, normal-length menstrual cycles in ciswomen, ages 20 to 49, are without sufficient P4 (12). Normal ovulation and regular menstruation during the premenopausal years in ciswomen are necessary to prevent bone loss, based on a meta-analysis of prospective observational studies (10) and are associated with a decreased incidence of heart disease within 10 years of menopause onset (13) and with potential breast cancer prevention (14, 15). Progesterone "area under the curve" levels across the menstrual cycle exceed those of integrated menstrual cycle E2 levels in ciswomen's ovulatory cycles because progesterone is produced in nanomoles per liter and E2 in picomoles per liter quantities (15). For metabolic and antiandrogen effects [to suppress LH and gonadal testosterone (T) and inhibit the conversion of T to dihydro-T (DHT)], I suggest that transgender women's progesterone be given daily rather than cyclically, at least until orchiectomy and always at bedtime, because of its sleep-enhancing effects (as subsequently discussed).

Gonadal steroids have sex-specific actions (16); thus, the application of data from progesterone actions in women to the care of those who were biological men before they became transgender women requires evidence. In general, that evidence is available, although sometimes from data using MPA, which usually acts through the P4 receptor (PR). Progesterone suppresses LH and T in men (17), it inhibits conversion of T to DHT in men (18), it has bone formation-stimulating effects and increases areal bone mineral density (BMD) in men (17), and it also improves sleep based on a randomized controlled trial (RCT) in men (19). There is also clinical evidence that breast maturation occurs on progesterone in men (7). As the fundamental endothelial system appears similar in men and women, progesterone likely will improve the cardiovascular system as well (20).

When E or E2 treatments are prescribed for transgender women, I believe it is important to use physiological dose E2, delivered transdermally (either as a gel or patch). Transdermal E2 is effective at enlarging breasts and increasing feminizing subcutaneous fat, increasing sex hormone-binding globulin (although less than oral E/E2) and thus, decreasing free (active) T. However, transdermal E2 carries less increased risk for venous thromboembolism (VTE) (21). Knowing what we now know about risks for VTE in transgender women (5), I believe that E2 should not be given orally. I also believe that higher E2 doses (arbitrarily, more than double physiological) carry increased risks (note that the mean dose in the large Goodman study was 4 mg of oral E2, where a physiological ciswoman dose is 0.5 to 1.0 mg/d) (5). Given the recent evidence that "low doses" of conjugated equine E (0.625 to 1.25 mg/d), with or without cyproterone acetate, lowered androgen, LH, and follicle-stimulating hormone levels into ciswoman ranges (22), it is not clear why higher E/E2 doses are commonly used for transgender women's cross-sex hormone therapy (CHT). Both oral E/E2 and higher doses are associated with an increased risk of VTE and pulmonary embolism in transgender women (2, 5, 23), and the recent paper also showed increased ischemic stroke (5). These are life-threatening, adverse effects that can be devastating for a transgender woman and therefore, when possible, using transdermal E2 and lower doses, should be avoided.

Oral Micronized Progesterone's Benefits for Transgender Women

There are at least six discrete clinical reasons why I believe, based on my clinical experience and the literature, that progesterone is likely to be beneficial for transwomen. [Note that here, I am discussing desired effects that are unique to progesterone and not present in synthetic progestins (24) that also carry a range of adverse effects distinct from progesterone.] I will briefly outline each of these with available supporting evidence, while also referring to CHT-treated transgender women's health risks (3), occurring when they are typically E/E2 plus antiandrogen treated (4).

More rapid feminization

Progesterone competes for the 5-alpha reductase enzyme that converts T into DHT (18), the hormone that masculinizes skin and hair follicles. Thus, progesterone decreases the masculinizing effects of DHT on unwanted male-pattern hair. My impression is that the slowness of improvement to feminine in facial and head hair is likely why transgender women may seek higher doses of E/E2. In my clinical experience, feminization occurred more rapidly with E2 and antiandrogens plus progesterone than with E2 and antiandrogens alone. Obviously spironolactone or cyproterone acetate play major roles in feminization by acting as direct androgen receptor blockers (7).

Progesterone suppression of gonadal androgen production

Progesterone feeds back to the hypothalamus slowing the pulsatility of LH and lowering average LH levels (25), thus decreasing gonadal T production. Again, this is an action of P4/progesterone to assist antiandrogen therapy in achieving a feminine shape and secondary sexual characteristics.

Progesterone plus E2 leads to optimal breast maturation and size

Along with elimination of facial and male pattern body hair, one of the important goals of transgender women is to develop mature and physiological breasts (that are classified as Tanner stage 5) (26). However, currently, the majority seeks breast augmentation surgery (3), because E/E2 plus antiandrogen therapy means the areola stays small (≤2.5 cm, ≤1 inch) and masculine, and breasts remain Tanner stage 3 (27). P4 is necessary for the ductal branching within the breast (and hence, for lactation) (28) and eventual maturation leading to the enlargement of the normal ciswoman's areola diameter of ≥3 cm (7). Currently reviewed evidence (29, 30) is inadequate to assess the breast effects of transgender women's CHT, because breast size, not areolar diameter (the primary difference between Tanner 3 and 5 stages) (26), has so far gone unreported except by one research group (7). The areolar size changes in puberty and during development of ovulatory menstrual cycles, as well as in transgender women on CHT, require further study.

Progesterone adds to E2 in increasing BMD

Lower BMD is, after CVD, the second major health risk identified in transgender women on long-term CHT (4). It is unknown yet whether low BMD is related to fractures, as there is only one case report of osteoporotic fractures in a transgender woman (6). She was a nonsmoker but had a strong osteoporosis family history (6), which in ciswomen, is related to more rapid bone loss (31).

Progesterone increases bone formation by activating a specific PR on bone-forming osteoblast cells, causing them to increase the number of mature osteoblasts (32) and to increase the process of creating collagen bone matrix that is subsequently mineralized (33). A recent meta-analysis assessed BMD change in RCT data in postmenopausal ciswomen directly (without regard to hysterectomy status) randomized to E therapy alone (ET) vs E-progestin therapy (EPT) (34). Results showed highly, significantly greater spine BMD gain (+0.68%/year) with EPT than with ET alone (P = 0.00001) (29). Note that RCTs of progestins that do not act through the osteoblast PR were excluded in this meta-analysis; thus, progesterone would have the same or greater effects as MPA in these studies (34). A recent review showed evidence that progesterone can prevent and treat osteoporosis in ciswomen (35).

Use of cigarettes and/or intake of excess amounts of alcohol are known lifestyle risks for osteoporosis. These habits commonly involve addictive brain processes and seem more common in trans- than ciswomen. Progesterone has also shown benefits for addiction (36).

Progesterone improves sleep and hot flushes/flashes (vasomotor symptoms)

Short sleep durations may occur because of emotional distress (often evoked by gender conflicts), extremely stressful work, alcohol excess, inactivity, and other reasons. Short sleep (≤6 hours) is associated with negative metabolic changes and CVD, as well as an increased risk for depression. All of these reasons for, and consequences of, disturbed sleep may be increased in treated transgender women (3, 4).

Progesterone (at bedtime) significantly improves deep sleep, decreases the time to fall asleep, and decreases midsleep wakening based on placebo-controlled randomized trials in both cismen (19) and ciswomen (37). Progesterone must be given at bedtime to avoid daytime drowsiness because of its sleep-promoting effects. The progesterone dose maintains the P4 blood level in the ciswoman's luteal phase range (the desired goal) for the full 24 hours (38).

Progesterone, in a dose at bedtime, also effectively treats menopausal hot flushes/flashes, based on a systematic review (39), and a placebo-controlled RCT in menopausal ciswomen (40). Because the discontinuation of ET (as usually occurs before any transgender surgeries) may sometimes trigger vasomotor symptoms (41) and because progesterone effectively treats them, continuing progesterone therapy during the surgical process (as it is not implicated in VTE) (21) may make that process less physiologically and symptomatically stressful.

Progesterone improves cardiovascular physiology

Heart attack and CVDs are currently increased in treated transgender women (2–4), although a recent large case control study showed increased VTE and ischemic stroke but not acute myocardial infarction (5). Both E2 and progesterone improve endothelial function through the endothelial nitric oxide system. Progesterone, intra-arterially, to achieve luteal-phase levels, significantly increased flow-mediated dilatation and was not different from physiological intra-arterial E2, although E2 effects were not significantly different from vehicle (20). This endothelial action, plus the fact that progesterone does not increase the risks for VTE (21), may assist in preventing the CVD seen in some long-term CHT-treated transgender women (2–5). Finally, a comprehensive review suggested that balanced, normal premenopausal E2 and ovulatory progesterone levels were related to preventing acute myocardial infarction within the first 10 years of the onset of menopause in ciswomen (13).

Thus, there are at least six reasons why progesterone will likely add to the effectiveness of E2 (ideally delivered transdermally for improved safety) (21) and antiandrogens, such as spironolactone, in the treatment of transgender women. However, we live in a culture that emphasizes the benefits of E and often blames P4/progesterone, perhaps because progesterone is often wrongly conflated with progestins (24). Thus, there are clinical concerns that P4/progesterone treatment raises about potential adverse effects that I will briefly address in this next section.

Potential Progesterone-Related Adverse or Unwanted Effects

These concerns about potential progesterone-related adverse effects fall into three main categories: (i) concern about negative effects on cardiovascular health, (ii) about negative emotional/moods, and (iii) risks for breast cancer.

Progesterone and cardiovascular effects

The assumption that progesterone causes adverse cardiovascular effects is primarily because of CVD related to androgenic progestins. However, there are no long-term RCT data on progesterone and cardiovascular effects and no progesterone therapy studies in which the primary outcomes are acute myocardial infarction, stroke, VTE, or heart failure. In part, at least, this is because oral micronized progesterone has only been available for a couple of decades. However, progesterone shows no signal for increased coagulation (21, 24). Progesterone has substantial random-ordered, positive endothelial effects compared with vehicle and E2 (20), but similar results did not reach significance in a 3-month RCT in menopausal ciswomen for which the endothelial function data were underpowered (42). In that same 3-month RCT, progesterone caused no changes in weight, waist circumference, blood pressure, inflammation, coagulation, or lipids (except a substantial but clinically unimportant lowering of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol) (42).

Progesterone and mood effects

In a premenstrual symptom crossover RCT in cycling ciswomen, progesterone was given at bedtime premenstrually for 10 days/cycle; it showed significantly improved anxiety and had no negative mood effects (43). Another placebo-controlled progesterone clinical trial also showed no negative mood effects (44). Likewise, in an observational study in 62 healthy ciswomen, 20 to 40 years old, serum P4 levels and ovulatory status were not related (positively or negatively) to daily diary records of frustration, depression, and anxiety (45). Therefore, although it is a common belief that progesterone causes negative mood changes, controlled trial and prospective observational evidence for this assumption is lacking.

Progesterone and breast cancer risk

E (E or E2) with MPA increased the risks for breast cell proliferation and breast cancer, but there is increasing evidence that the opposite may occur with progesterone (15, 46). The large French E3N Prospective Cohort Study of menopausal therapy in ciswomen by its component characteristics showed no increased risk for breast cancer in women on E/E2 with progesterone, although the same study showed a significantly elevated risk with ET or EPT (14). The combined evidence suggested that progesterone would protect against the rare risk of breast cancer in transgender women treated with E.



QuoteOral micronized progesterone, a fundamental ovarian steroid, molecularly identical to the natural hormone, should be added to E2 for transgender women based on physiology and emerging evidence of the importance of progesterone with E2 for ciswomen's bone and likely cardiovascular health. Progesterone will probably prevent at least some of the negative cardiovascular system and bone health effects reported in transgender women on current long-term, E/E2-only, or E/E2 antiandrogen CHT. Progesterone will also aid antiandrogen effects through different pathways than spironolactone or cyproterone acetate and may promote feminine physiological breast maturation, while also aiding disturbed sleep and perhaps decreasing anxiety. It may also facilitate transgender women's acceptance of physiological (rather than high) E2 doses ideally delivered transdermally. Evidence is mounting that ciswomen's lifelong health is enhanced by sufficient P4 (normally ovulatory) within regular estradiol-sufficient monthly menstrual cycles. I believe it is time that we now follow current guidelines and provide transgender women with these P4 or progesterone benefits in their CHT.

I shared this with my endo (Kaiser) and evidently convinced him to prescribe progesterone to me as a trial basis.  I'm looking forward to getting it filled.

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jill610

Thank you for sharing this! I did not read through it (yet), but understand from my dr that there is very little scientific evidence either way on this, so this is great that there is some research happening.

My doctors position is that it could increase my risk of clotting and it does bring with it some potential masculinizing effects like hair loss but otherwise she viewed it as placebo at worst and so prescribed it on request. I do see more swelling and moodiness and coronal hair shedding when I'm on it and so cycle it 2 on/ 2 off.


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Jessica

@jill610

Quote from: jill610 on March 09, 2019, 06:49:41 PM
Thank you for sharing this! I did not read through it (yet), but understand from my dr that there is very little scientific evidence either way on this, so this is great that there is some research happening.

My doctors position is that it could increase my risk of clotting and it does bring with it some potential masculinizing effects like hair loss but otherwise she viewed it as placebo at worst and so prescribed it on request. I do see more swelling and moodiness and coronal hair shedding when I'm on it and so cycle it 2 on/ 2 off.

Jill, read through the article and you may gain the information that you need to have a discussion about the use of progesterone.  Siting this article can be of assistance in informing your doctor of new thoughts in the matter.  Such as daily use rather than cyclical.

Hugs, Jess

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Kirsteneklund7

Thank you so much for putting this out there Jessica! This is a burning question for me. I would love to experience full CIS type breast development - I have heard P is good for that.

Also I would love to hear your personal account of mood, skin, hair, breasts ect.

Time to go and read up !

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jill610

Quote from: Jessica on March 09, 2019, 07:04:00 PM
@jill610

Jill, read through the article and you may gain the information that you need to have a discussion about the use of progesterone.  Siting this article can be of assistance in informing your doctor of new thoughts in the matter.  Such as daily use rather than cyclical.

Hugs, Jess

Not sure what discussion I would be having? I'm already taking it...


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Kirsteneklund7

Quote from: jill610 on March 09, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
Not sure what discussion I would be having? I'm already taking it...
Please tell me jill610 would you do a regimen without P or do you find significant benefits?

Intrigued, Kirsten.

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jill610

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on March 09, 2019, 07:49:18 PM
Please tell me jill610 would you do a regimen without P or do you find significant benefits?

Intrigued, Kirsten.

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I cycle it.

When I was on it all the time I was a psycho bitch. But without it I feel withdrawal so I do 2w on, 2w off, micronuzed. Roughly mimics cis cycle.


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Jessica


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Quote from: jill610 on March 09, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
Not sure what discussion I would be having? I'm already taking it...

I'm sorry Jill, that was ramblings in my head.  I mentioned it because the way your doctor has you taking it in cycles is not the way the articles writer recommends.  Of course you should always follow your doctor's advice, but maybe it's outdated.
But then again ymmv!

Quote from: jill610 on March 09, 2019, 07:51:13 PM
I cycle it.

When I was on it all the time I was a psycho bitch. But without it I feel withdrawal so I do 2w on, 2w off, micronuzed. Roughly mimics cis cycle.


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jill610

Quote from: Jessica on March 09, 2019, 07:52:14 PM
I'm sorry Jill, that was ramblings in my head.  I mentioned it because the way your doctor has you taking it in cycles is not the way the articles writer recommends.  Of course you should always follow your doctor's advice, but maybe it's outdated.

My dr basically doesn't care.

If you have ever been in progesterone 100% of the time, you'd know why I cycle it. It makes you super moody and, as my friends put it, psycho-Jill. That's my experience at least, but cycling it seems to help minimize the emotional effects while still getting the physical effects... my bloodwork mirrors that of a ciswoman at the same point in her cycle though if you read my other threads, maintaining safe estrogen levels has been a challenge. Not sure if P is to blame but it has come up as a variable.


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Linde

It seems as if this paper is the first detailed information one can find about the usage of progesterone.  It also seems that many endocrinologists are either not aware of the benefits of progesterone for trans women, or they deny it outright.

I did some googling around and found that many cis women use micronized progesterone in a cream form to increase their breast volume.  The reports on outcomes are mixed, which could be because of the low concentration, and the sensitivity of different persons to progesterone. 

I will talk with my endocrinologist about this when I see him in 4 weeks, and see what he says!
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TonyaW

I believe that answers my question about getting mine refilled. Been out since Monday.  Didn't refill ahead of time because of blood tests on Tuesday and wanted to see those results first. Did not seem to have an effect, levels were essentially the same as 3 months prior. 


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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Dietlind on March 09, 2019, 08:06:56 PM
It seems as if this paper is the first detailed information one can find about the usage of progesterone.  It also seems that many endocrinologists are either not aware of the benefits of progesterone for trans women, or they deny it outright.

I did some googling around and found that many cis women use micronized progesterone in a cream form to increase their breast volume.  The reports on outcomes are mixed, which could be because of the low concentration, and the sensitivity of different persons to progesterone. 

I will talk with my endocrinologist about this when I see him in 4 weeks, and see what he says!


I wonder at times if the Progesterone cream helps.

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TonyaW

Quote from: jill610 on March 09, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
My dr basically doesn't care.

If you have ever been in progesterone 100% of the time, you'd know why I cycle it. It makes you super moody and, as my friends put it, psycho-Jill. That's my experience at least, but cycling it seems to help minimize the emotional effects while still getting the physical effects... my bloodwork mirrors that of a ciswoman at the same point in her cycle though if you read my other threads, maintaining safe estrogen levels has been a challenge. Not sure if P is to blame but it has come up as a variable.
I had the moodiness big time (mostly bad) when I tried the medroxyprogesterone.  Didn't seem to have an issue with the micronized with daily use the last 3 months.

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Jessica

Quote from: TonyaW on March 09, 2019, 08:19:06 PM
I believe that answers my question about getting mine refilled. Been out since Monday.  Didn't refill ahead of time because of blood tests on Tuesday and wanted to see those results first. Did not seem to have an effect, levels were essentially the same as 3 months prior. 


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My endo partly was in line with progesterone use with me because my numbers were in female range.  I haven't had the script fill yet, but I'm curious how my numbers may or may not change once I start on Monday.  He prescribed daily nighttime usage.
What I'm anticipating is better breast growth.  My breasts are a tanner 3 and that is about the time that cis-girls start producing Progesterone where it makes a difference.



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Jessica

Quote from: TonyaW on March 09, 2019, 08:26:02 PM
I had the moodiness big time (mostly bad) when I tried the medroxyprogesterone.  Didn't seem to have an issue with the micronized with daily use the last 3 months.

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QuoteMetroxyprogesterone is a synthetic progestin and prometrium is a bio-idententical micronized progesterone

The side effects of the synthetic version are not observed with the bio-identical

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TonyaW

Quote from: Jessica on March 09, 2019, 08:34:05 PM
My endo partly was in line with progesterone use with me because my numbers were in female range.  I haven't had the script fill yet, but I'm curious how my numbers may or may not change once I start on Monday.  He prescribed daily nighttime usage.
What I'm anticipating is better breast growth.  My breasts are a tanner 3 and that is about the time that cis-girls start producing Progesterone where it makes a difference.
My estrogen was down and my testosterone up but still in female range on the the tests from December. I'd been off the medroxyprogesterone completely for 5 months before that.  My doctor wanted to retest in 3 months rather than 6 because of the difference 6 months prior. The latest came out the same and now she says they're fine do that has me a little confused. Didn't really get answer when I asked that. Needed to get an ok on refill for the estradiol so I didn't push on it. I have an appointment for June so will ask then.

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Jessica

Quote from: TonyaW on March 09, 2019, 08:56:22 PM
My estrogen was down and my testosterone up but still in female range on the the tests from December. I'd been off the medroxyprogesterone completely for 5 months before that.  My doctor wanted to retest in 3 months rather than 6 because of the difference 6 months prior. The latest came out the same and now she says they're fine do that has me a little confused. Didn't really get answer when I asked that. Needed to get an ok on refill for the estradiol so I didn't push on it. I have an appointment for June so will ask then.

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As some friends here and about know, I can be pushy.  I definitely went out on the limb with my endo.  I was praying he wouldn't label me non-compliant and refuse my E.  I played to his ego and avoided that.

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Linde

Quote from: Jessica on March 09, 2019, 09:00:29 PM
As some friends here and about know, I can be pushy.  I definitely went out on the limb with my endo.  I was praying he wouldn't label me non-compliant and refuse my E.  I played to his ego and avoided that.
I have this fear, too.  If I push to hard, I might get nothing (they know the power they have over us).  I was already able to push him last week to double my estrogen.  I now have to see how my values are, if I an push a little more in 4 weeks!
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TonyaW

Quote from: Jessica on March 09, 2019, 09:00:29 PM
As some friends here and about know, I can be pushy.  I definitely went out on the limb with my endo.  I was praying he wouldn't label me non-compliant and refuse my E.  I played to his ego and avoided that.
I've got only 3 more days left so couldn't afford to risk it.  My refill is waiting at the pharmacy.  I don't think she'd have denied my refill but 3 months not too long to wait.
I also want to research at least lowering the spiro before I see her.  I've lost some weight and I think my blood pressure is too low now.

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Jessica

Quote from: TonyaW on March 09, 2019, 09:27:37 PM
I've got only 3 more days left so couldn't afford to risk it.  My refill is waiting at the pharmacy.  I don't think she'd have denied my refill but 3 months not too long to wait.
I also want to research at least lowering the spiro before I see her.  I've lost some weight and I think my blood pressure is too low now.

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I just requested a reduction in Spiro since my numbers are good.  Testing again in 10 weeks.

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