Progesterone Is Important for Transgender Women’s Therapy

[ChrissyRyan]

Well Chrissy, I was partially born with the right body that was made wrong surgically, but kind of stayed very female like.  And my breasts were kind of a B already long before I started, or even know about HRT.  I was hoping that starting HRT would give those babies a little boost (my mother and my sister were at least a D), and make a C out of them.  That seems not to work that way, even not after the orchi.  My boobs are the only parameter I have to measure the effect of estrogen on my body (because I had no secondary male sex characteristics), and those girls did not grow any faster than they did prior to HRT.
I am accepted in my environment, and I have the feeling that most of my friends forget that I am not a cis woman, because I have to remind them once in a while that my body functions a little different than theirs, but that is it.
Yes, I feel OK with my B sized breasts, because they are mine, all home grown, but I would not mind to have C cups, because some clothing looks, as you said, simply better with a little more fill in the front.

I will see how it goes, I never ever even dream about of any implants that is simply not me!

I wish you good luck for a growth spurt of your girls, and stand by to hope for mine!
Hugs
Linde

Thanks Linde!

Chrissy

[Linde]

@Linde

Linde, are you taking medroxyprogesterone or had you been able to switch to bio-identical Progesterone.  If you are still taking medroxyprogesterone, your experiences have no real correlation to the experiences of those on the bio-identical Progesterone. 
If this is the case, please make it clear to your doctor that prescribed medroxyprogesterone, with evidence herein that you need bio-identical progesterone instead.

I am still on medroxyprogesterone, I thought I use the dosing up, and when I need a renewal, I have to explain to my family doctor what he should prescribe.  He was so nice to prescribe the stuff at all, and told me he has no idea about hormones.  He is operating on my feedback.
I wanted to give the medroxyprogesterone a trial to see if it does anything, it seems to not be doing much.  But I also have to point out that estrogen seems not to do much to me either.  I read in some specific intersex forums that people like I are not responding to any hormones very well.
I know that my body needs estrogen, because I don't produce any measurable amounts of testosterone, and I need some kind of "fuel".

[Jessica]

I finally got a chance to measure Lucy and Rhonda today.  Since I started Progesterone, two months ago, my bust dimension has increased an inch in total and are definitely rounder.  My nipples are protruding 1/4" from a well defined areolae, which since starting hrt has increased from 1 1/4" to 2 1/4".
Still not sure if it's the Progesterone or not though.  I've had decent development since starting hrt nearly two years ago.

[ChrissyRyan]

I finally got a chance to measure Lucy and Rhonda today.  Since I started Progesterone, two months ago, my bust dimension has increased an inch in total and are definitely rounder.  My nipples are protruding 1/4" from a well defined areolae, which since starting hrt has increased from 1 1/4" to 2 1/4".
Still not sure if it's the Progesterone or not though.  I've had decent development since starting hrt nearly two years ago.

 

That is something nice to happen for a nice person!  I do enjoy your postings Jessica.

Chrissy

[Jessica]

 

That is something nice to happen for a nice person!  I do enjoy your postings Jessica.

Chrissy

Thank you Chrissy! 🌸🌸🌸

[Linde]

I finally got a chance to measure Lucy and Rhonda today.  Since I started Progesterone, two months ago, my bust dimension has increased an inch in total and are definitely rounder.  My nipples are protruding 1/4" from a well defined areolae, which since starting hrt has increased from 1 1/4" to 2 1/4".
Still not sure if it's the Progesterone or not though.  I've had decent development since starting hrt nearly two years ago.

Reading and trying to understand all that Tanner stuff for breast sizes, I am not sure if I am Tanner III  (• Stage III - The breasts and areolae continue to enlarge, although they show no separation of contour.),

or Tanner V (Stage V - Mature female breasts have developed. The papillae may extend slightly above the contour of the breasts as the result of the recession of the aerolae.)

My areolae are a little over 2" diameter, but they do not protrude above the remaining breast to create a secondary mount (as in Tanner iV).  My nipples (papillae) extend about 1/4" above the areolae, and also have an approx diameter of 1/4".

How on earth would one interpret these explanations?  If I am Tanner V, I might be at the end of any breast growth, and have to settle for my cute little B size!  But who really knows?

[Jessica]

Reading and trying to understand all that Tanner stuff for breast sizes, I am not sure if I am Tanner III  (• Stage III - The breasts and areolae continue to enlarge, although they show no separation of contour.),

or Tanner V (Stage V - Mature female breasts have developed. The papillae may extend slightly above the contour of the breasts as the result of the recession of the aerolae.)

My areolae are a little over 2" diameter, but they do not protrude above the remaining breast to create a secondary mount (as in Tanner iV).  My nipples (papillae) extend about 1/4" above the areolae, and also have an approx diameter of 1/4".

How on earth would one interpret these explanations?  If I am Tanner V, I might be at the end of any breast growth, and have to settle for my cute little B size!  But who really knows?

I believe I've reached a Tanner iV, but I've read that Tanner V can only be achieved through pregnancy.  As much as I wish that could be true for me, alas it won't.

[Linde]

If that is true with tanner V, I would be somewhere around Tanner III and Tanner IV,  My areolae elevate above the remaining breast tissue, If I stimulate them.

However, what would be with the women who have D and Dd or even E cup size breasts and have not been pregnant?

I slowly come to the conclusion that that tanner guy must have been a weather forecaster in his live before this breast size stuf!

[Jessica]

If that is true with tanner V, I would be somewhere around Tanner III and Tanner IV,  My areolae elevate above the remaining breast tissue, If I stimulate them.

However, what would be with the women who have D and Dd or even E cup size breasts and have not been pregnant?

I slowly come to the conclusion hat that tanner guy must have been a weather forecaster in his live before this breast size stuf!

Size has nothing to do with a mature breast.  There are plenty of mothers with small and large breasts.  It's a lot to do with genetics.

[steph2.0]

I started oral progesterone on 4/22/19, and progesterone cream on 5/1/19, applied to alternating breasts daily, and to my face once a week.

My breast growth had seemed to stall at what I'd call 36 "A and a half." My chest size was 36" and my bust size was 38 1/2 to 39". I had finally filled an A cup and had graduated to a B cup with room in it.

This week I noticed there's no more room in the B cup, so I took another measurement. 36 chest and 40 bust.

As for my face, I goop up before bed, and in the morning I notice that a lot of the lines in my face seem to be smoothed out. It doesn't last, though, and I'm not convinced that it's not just the cream moisturizing my skin.

In both cases I have no idea whether the P had anything to do with it. I just put it out there as information, and you can draw your own conclusions. Whatever the case, I'm just glad for the breast growth!


Stephanie

[ChrissyRyan]

I started oral progesterone on 4/22/19, and progesterone cream on 5/1/19, applied to alternating breasts daily, and to my face once a week.

My breast growth had seemed to stall at what I'd call 36 "A and a half." My chest size was 36" and my bust size was 38 1/2 to 39". I had finally filled an A cup and had graduated to a B cup with room in it.

This week I noticed there's no more room in the B cup, so I took another measurement. 36 chest and 40 bust.

As for my face, I goop up before bed, and in the morning I notice that a lot of the lines in my face seem to be smoothed out. It doesn't last, though, and I'm not convinced that it's not just the cream moisturizing my skin.

In both cases I have no idea whether the P had anything to do with it. I just put it out there as information, and you can draw your own conclusions. Whatever the case, I'm just glad for the breast growth!


Stephanie

Wow!  That is a growth spurt.  That is wonderful news Stephanie!   

Chrissy

[Jessica]

@steph2.0

I started oral progesterone on 4/22/19, and progesterone cream on 5/1/19, applied to alternating breasts daily, and to my face once a week.

My breast growth had seemed to stall at what I'd call 36 "A and a half." My chest size was 36" and my bust size was 38 1/2 to 39". I had finally filled an A cup and had graduated to a B cup with room in it.

This week I noticed there's no more room in the B cup, so I took another measurement. 36 chest and 40 bust.

As for my face, I goop up before bed, and in the morning I notice that a lot of the lines in my face seem to be smoothed out. It doesn't last, though, and I'm not convinced that it's not just the cream moisturizing my skin.

In both cases I have no idea whether the P had anything to do with it. I just put it out there as information, and you can draw your own conclusions. Whatever the case, I'm just glad for the breast growth!


Stephanie

Congratulations Stephanie!

[Linde]

I started oral progesterone on 4/22/19, and progesterone cream on 5/1/19, applied to alternating breasts daily, and to my face once a week.

Stephanie

Is this the cream you buy OTC at Amazon and similar places?

I used the cream I got through Amazon for 3 months on my breasts (with one week of break every month).  I stopped using it because I could not identify any changes.  And because of this I stopped using it.

[steph2.0]

Is this the cream you buy OTC at Amazon and similar places?

I used the cream I got through Amazon for 3 months on my breasts (with one week of break every month).  I stopped using it because I could not identify any changes.  And because of this I stopped using it.

No, this is prescription strength cream that I have made up at a compounding pharmacy. I can't tell you the strength or dosage here, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot stronger than you can buy OTC.


Stephanie

[Linde]

No, this is prescription strength cream that I have made up at a compounding pharmacy. I can't tell you the strength or dosage here, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot stronger than you can buy OTC.


Stephanie

Tanks, it would not help anyway, cause I have no prescription for it.  Do you feel that it does something for you?

[pamelatransuk]

Congratulations Jess and Stephanie on your latest growth to which you refer - breasts and nipples and areolae.

Hugs

Pamela   

[pamelatransuk]

Linde,

Sometimes I think about what breast size and if it matters a lot or not, at least after you finally have noticeable breasts.  In the end, it is a personal preference.  No matter what the size of our breasts are, we are still are women, many whom are thoughtful and feminine in thinking and to differing degrees in appearance. 

I sometimes wonder if my occasional thought of having larger breasts is really manifested from a desire to be warmly accepted as a woman by all, as by having breasts, well, that is part of being a woman, why should not I be accepted by all?   But in the end, that is faulty, incomplete thinking.  Acceptance is about much more than that.  And some acceptance may never occur, it is beyond our control.

But breasts are part of being a woman, and I like mine, they are affirming. It is nice to have a more feminine body over time, that makes me feel so good. I ask myself why I was not born with the right body actually much more often than would it be nice than if I had bigger breasts.  If I was born with the right body then nature would have given me the body I should have developed naturally and I would have had the opportunity to fit in naturally in society all my life.  I am a misfit of sorts now! 

If I ever grow beyond Bs that will be interesting for sure but I try to simply be grateful with what I have, and take each day as it comes.  I do admit that I have tried to make my breasts look bigger and sometimes the look is appealing in some outfits.  But as they now are, they are noticeable.  So I am thankful for that.

Have a wonderful day.

Hugs,

Chrissy

Hello again Chrissy

I agree with your thoughts above; we are still women irrespective of breast size and breast size is matter of personal preference.

As you know I am 15 months on HRT as a whole and just like Jess 2 months on Progesterone. I shall wait till 2020 to determine if I need to improve my situation by BA.

I wish you every success in achieving further breast growth.

Hugs

Pamela

[steph2.0]

Tanks, it would not help anyway, cause I have no prescription for it.  Do you feel that it does something for you?

Shrug [emoji2372]. I refer back to my post. I have a little growth, but being scientifically-minded, I can't attribute it to the P without more information. It could just be a natural growth spurt, though it's coincidental that it's happening now, after a month on P.


- Stephanie

[Linde]

Shrug [emoji2372]. I refer back to my post. I have a little growth, but being scientifically-minded, I can't attribute it to the P without more information. It could just be a natural growth spurt, though it's coincidental that it's happening now, after a month on P.


- Stephanie

That is the stupid thing with this breast growth stuff, one has nothing to hang a baseline up on.
I don' even know if estrogen did anything for my breast growth.  I came into the entire HRT situation already equipped with decent sized breasts, and had a little growth, but I don't know if this is caused by estrogen, or if it is just a continuation of my "normal" breast growth (I was told by my endo that I am in the process of finishing puberty)

[Donica]

My next appointment with my Endo is coming up soon. I am armed with info about progesterone. It's tough getting Kaiser to give in and allow it. Not enough info pro or con yet. My girls could certainly use a boost. All I can do is plead my case.

I will say that most of my breast growth has happened during the past 4 months when they finally up my E dose to a decent level. I can't say the first 17 months were a waist because of obvious health concerns but....