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Started by KylaStorms, June 27, 2016, 07:50:33 AM

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TinaVane

Quote from: Serenation on July 01, 2016, 08:29:11 PM
That's probably misleading, the amount of skin available, with or without meshing does not equate to depth.It  It just removes one potential limitation.

This thread has totally derailed into a suporn fest.
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shellsters

Quote from: KylaStorms on June 27, 2016, 07:50:33 AM
Hi all, I had my srs on May 31st, today I decided my swelling had gone down enough that I would compare it to internet pics (ie labialibrary). While doing so, I've found something wrong with the anatomy - my vaginal opening is outside my labia. Without a pic, the best way I can explain is:

(o) - 'normal' vulva

( )
o - my vulva

I am having the same stress! I was shown what it would look like and it doesn't!! I am sick over this! I was told I needed a skin graft for depth only. I believe the skin graft would of been used for the labia. I never had it since he said it wasn't needed. Sure I have 6 inches, but I have a constant hole. I am so stressed and depressed over this. It has been only 20 days since surgery, but I don't see it getting better. I had Dr. Burin at the PAI clinic.
I'm also feeling heartbroken!!
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TinaVane

Quote from: shellsters on September 20, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
I am having the same stress! I was shown what it would look like and it doesn't!! I am sick over this! I was told I needed a skin graft for depth only. I believe the skin graft would of been used for the labia. I never had it since he said it wasn't needed. Sure I have 6 inches, but I have a constant hole. I am so stressed and depressed over this. It has been only 20 days since surgery, but I don't see it getting better. I had Dr. Burin at the PAI clinic.
I'm also feeling heartbroken!!
A constant hole as in say if you were to douche something up in ur vagina you could not hold the liquid up in there ? But it is still kinda new but I wonder are most of these neovaginas like just a hole where u can't grip it closed


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Jenna Marie

Shellsters, I would definitely give it time. Brassard says four months *minimum* before there's even a chance of getting an idea of what the final result will look like, and even then it'll be a year or more before the result IS final. Seriously, what it looks like now will probably change almost daily. Swelling in particular can make the labia stick out rather than draping properly, which leaves the vaginal introitus more exposed than is desirable. Please try not to worry too much so soon.

Tina, I think you might want to research the surgery more... but for the record, the vagina is formed by making a space through the muscles in the area, and these are the same muscles that cis women use to squeeze something in or push something out, so trans women by definition have those muscles surrounding the vagina. (I can eject a dilator with some force, or squeeze my wife's fingers until she starts to lose circulation.) That's true of any surgical method, too - the vaginal canal pretty much has to be in that location, regardless of the other details.
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Jenny87

Ive had exactly the same thing happen although I had my surgery a few months before you.

It doesn't look too bad now when my legs aren't spread but when I do spread my legs it looks really quite bad.

Also got a problem that i think too much erectile tissue has been left and if i get aroused it causes a lot of discomfort and it swells so much the clitoral area and below extends very far out.

Im going to talk to the surgeon about it as I think this may become a major psychological issue for the remainder of my life.

I dont regret the surgery and am still hopeful I can be fixed though.

If anyone wants more info or anything id be happy to talk.
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Violet

I have this same result. Vagina below labia minora instead of within. I hesitate to ask my surgeon about this because of two reasons: 1 -  don't want to insult his work. 2 - I was given my SRS through Medicare and the remaining costs were picked up by Financial Assistance.  I feel that for these reasons I should just be happy and not complain. Well, I am happy, but I do wish a revision could be performed. I have pictures on my website showing my surgery result.
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Linde

Quote from: Violet on April 30, 2019, 02:40:44 AM
I have this same result. Vagina below labia minora instead of within. I hesitate to ask my surgeon about this because of two reasons: 1 -  don't want to insult his work. 2 - I was given my SRS through Medicare and the remaining costs were picked up by Financial Assistance.  I feel that for these reasons I should just be happy and not complain. Well, I am happy, but I do wish a revision could be performed. I have pictures on my website showing my surgery result.
You should complain.  Your surgeon agreed to do the surgery for the price he insurance wanted to pay for it.  This has nothing do with the outcome!  The surgeon seemed to have made a mistake, and it needs to be corrected.  Periode!

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AutumnLeaves

Quote from: Violet on April 30, 2019, 02:40:44 AM
I have this same result. Vagina below labia minora instead of within. I hesitate to ask my surgeon about this because of two reasons: 1 -  don't want to insult his work. 2 - I was given my SRS through Medicare and the remaining costs were picked up by Financial Assistance.  I feel that for these reasons I should just be happy and not complain. Well, I am happy, but I do wish a revision could be performed. I have pictures on my website showing my surgery result.

I noticed this, too, with mine from the same doctor. However, when I had my office revision he kind of "cut" the inner labia along the bottom seam and restitched it, and after that things look MUCH more "normal" anatomically. Before the office labiaplasty my vaginal opening looked like a separate "hole" beneath everything the inner labia, but now it is framed almost completely and (I am told by the various men in my life) looks pretty much like anybody else. While I am sure that there will always be anatomical differences, I am far happier with my cosmetic result at this point. I am also VERY orgasmic, which to me was the big thing. I am still having minor urinary issues that I think may need to be addressed later however.
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echo7

Quote from: Violet on April 30, 2019, 02:40:44 AM
I have this same result. Vagina below labia minora instead of within. I hesitate to ask my surgeon about this because of two reasons: 1 -  don't want to insult his work. 2 - I was given my SRS through Medicare and the remaining costs were picked up by Financial Assistance.  I feel that for these reasons I should just be happy and not complain. Well, I am happy, but I do wish a revision could be performed. I have pictures on my website showing my surgery result.

It is not an unusual result from penile inversion technique. In fact I would say it is pretty typical.  Non-inversion technique results in a much more natural looking vagina with the labia coming further down. You will notice this with Thai surgeons who do non-inversion technique.

But like the previous poster AutumnLeaves wrote, a revision surgery can likely improve the aesthetic result for you. IMO penile inversion really is a 2 stage technique that always requires an aesthetic revision. That's how it used to be too, many years ago.  But for some reason most surgeons who do it these days just do it in one stage and say "good enough".  My guess is because a 2 stage procedure or a revision surgery costs more money. So if you can afford it, get the revision.
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Violet

I sent my Doctor a second message to inquire about a revision. While I am very grateful for the surgery I am not happy with with the results. My vagina just doesn't look normal. I am extremely depressed after all I went through to get the surgery and now this.  :embarrassed:
Quote from: Dietlind on April 30, 2019, 08:42:00 AM
You should complain.  Your surgeon agreed to do the surgery for the price he insurance wanted to pay for it.  This has nothing do with the outcome!  The surgeon seemed to have made a mistake, and it needs to be corrected.  Periode!

If you buy a low cost car, you would not be OK with it missing a wheel, why should you accept that from surgery?
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Violet

I was hoping I wouldn't need another surgery, but if this can be fixed then I am so ready. After transitioning for nearly 5 years now I am ready for the medical part of it to be done. My vagina just doesn't look right. I am happy with it though, but I just wish it could be made more realistic like Autumn Leaves mentioned.
Quote from: echo7 on April 30, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
It is not an unusual result from penile inversion technique. In fact I would say it is pretty typical.  Non-inversion technique results in a much more natural looking vagina with the labia coming further down. You will notice this with Thai surgeons who do non-inversion technique.

But like the previous poster AutumnLeaves wrote, a revision surgery can likely improve the aesthetic result for you. IMO penile inversion really is a 2 stage technique that always requires an aesthetic revision. That's how it used to be too, many years ago.  But for some reason most surgeons who do it these days just do it in one stage and say "good enough".  My guess is because a 2 stage procedure or a revision surgery costs more money. So if you can afford it, get the revision.
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LizK

Quote from: Violet on April 30, 2019, 11:12:14 PM
I was hoping I wouldn't need another surgery, but if this can be fixed then I am so ready. After transitioning for nearly 5 years now I am ready for the medical part of it to be done. My vagina just doesn't look right. I am happy with it though, but I just wish it could be made more realistic like Autumn Leaves mentioned.

Hi Violet

I understand how you feel as I have the same result and have to consider if I want a revision to "fix" this part however with my surgeon I am told 12 months minimum before revision would be considered. However other than the vagina not being within the labia minora I am very happy with the way things look and really am not sure if I want yet another surgery. I am really at the point where I am sick of it all and I have still have at least one more surgery coming up(not trans related) in the next month or so.  I think you are entitled to complain and make it known you are not happy with the result.

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Violet

Thank you Liz. I don't want another surgery either, but if it will help the aesthetics then I will. Thought I was done though. I don't know yet if Medicare will cover a revision surgery. If they don't there is no way I can afford it. This "separate hole" is causing me much depression and stress. I try not to think about it, but I still do. What bothers me the most id that I know of two girls that were given revisions at 6 months post-op. They have the same Doctor as I. Why haven't I been offered a revision? Possibly because I am on Medicare?
Quote from: LizK on May 01, 2019, 03:39:05 AM
Hi Violet

I understand how you feel as I have the same result and have to consider if I want a revision to "fix" this part however with my surgeon I am told 12 months minimum before revision would be considered. However other than the vagina not being within the labia minora I am very happy with the way things look and really am not sure if I want yet another surgery. I am really at the point where I am sick of it all and I have still have at least one more surgery coming up(not trans related) in the next month or so.  I think you are entitled to complain and make it known you are not happy with the result.

Liz
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LizK

Good question...why haven't you been offered one. These things can eat away at you and after everything you have to go through to get the surgery it can be very disappointing to find what seems like a mistake could easily be seen as a feature but getting the Fixed becomes an issue. From the outside looking in it can be very frustrating. I hope you get revision

Take care

Liz



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Violet

Thank You Liz. One way or another I must get it fixed because this situation is really starting to screw with my head. Like you said, this is eating away at me.
Quote from: LizK on May 01, 2019, 11:15:54 AM
Good question...why haven't you been offered one. These things can eat away at you and after everything you have to go through to get the surgery it can be very disappointing to find what seems like a mistake could easily be seen as a feature but getting the Fixed becomes an issue. From the outside looking in it can be very frustrating. I hope you get revision

Take care

Liz



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AutumnLeaves

Quote from: Violet on May 01, 2019, 10:32:38 AM
Thank you Liz. I don't want another surgery either, but if it will help the aesthetics then I will. Thought I was done though. I don't know yet if Medicare will cover a revision surgery. If they don't there is no way I can afford it. This "separate hole" is causing me much depression and stress. I try not to think about it, but I still do. What bothers me the most id that I know of two girls that were given revisions at 6 months post-op. They have the same Doctor as I. Why haven't I been offered a revision? Possibly because I am on Medicare?

I have Medicare, too, so it should be covered. I had to ask Dr. Dugi about the revision and explain what was bothering me. I think my case had been especially extreme since my labia minora seemed like they "fused" a bit when I was healing. Fortunately the revision surgery was done in-office under local anesthetic, so it was in-and-out and had none of the healing and pain like in the original procedure. However, he told me for anything more major I would have needed general anesthetic.

Hope this helps!
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Violet

That helps a lot! Thank you Autumn. Unfortunately they are making me wait until August before my revisions can be discussed. That's too long for me, but I have no choice. How did you get yours fixed so fast?
Quote from: AutumnLeaves on May 02, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
I have Medicare, too, so it should be covered. I had to ask Dr. Dugi about the revision and explain what was bothering me. I think my case had been especially extreme since my labia minora seemed like they "fused" a bit when I was healing. Fortunately the revision surgery was done in-office under local anesthetic, so it was in-and-out and had none of the healing and pain like in the original procedure. However, he told me for anything more major I would have needed general anesthetic.

Hope this helps!


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