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Started by MeTony, May 04, 2019, 02:00:23 AM

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MeTony

I'm in a tough spot. I can start T next week. But my husband is not ready. He might never be. I don't know. He says he will leave when I get a beard. I might never get a beard. I don't know that. I really want T. But I don't want him to leave. He says he won't accept a baryton voice. But I might not get that. I don't know.

Changes in voice and hair growth is individual and you don't get to know in advance what to expect. 

I'm hanging on a thread. I want my family. But I also need to be me.

Why is life so < not allowed > hard?

Any thoughts?


Tony
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Denise

Tony,

I'm not sure how old you are.  But the voice definitely depends on the age you start T.  I'm not sure about facial hair, but if you want facial hair and he doesn't,...

Gender dysphoria sucks the life out of you.  I started transition at 54.  Did I want to? No. Unfortunately the choice not to was worse.

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MeTony

I can add economic problems to the mess. We still have a debt of 20000 € because he can't handle credit cards. He has cut them all now. But we still have to pay the bills for 5 more years.

I can't wait 5 more years.

We have an autistic son turning 18 in 2 months. He needs to move to an own apartment. That is also a process going on.

Where I live you need to wait about 8 years to get an apartment. We can't move to smaller. We are pretty much stuck with this apartment. Or rather I am. He says he will leave.


Tony
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MeTony

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MeTony

I have been to the bottom and up. Hit rock bottom in 2010. I don't want to go back there. I was a complete mess. Locked up in psych ward for 6 months. Suicidal in psychotic depression.

Tony
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Alice V

It might be tough, but focus on survival first, then, when everything became stable, go for T. Man in you not going anywhere, it always you. And it'll give you time to deal with family too, I guess.
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Dena

This isn't something that can be fixed easily if at all. Your best hope would be couples consoling if you can get him to agree to it. For many of us it becomes a matter of very hard decisions which come down to what you need the most. Just remember that want and need aren't the same thing and needs come first.
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MeTony

Sorry @Kendra. Was in affect and used a forbidden word.
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Kylo

Acting like that is not uncommon in male partners. I heard the usual "oh I will have to treat you like any other man", "oh we will have to split up", etc etc.

The whole process of developing these things takes a long time. If they think a beard like a privet bush is going to appear overnight they've got another thing coming. As for the voice, even if you do get a low voice, it can usually be controlled. Beards can be shaved etc. I would just not mention it or any aspects of transition and just carry on and see what happens. I can't "enjoy" aspects of my transition with the man I live with either but he has tolerated it over time. Our relationship is not the same as it was but we still live together and are close friends. But he over reacted hugely at first. Now he's not bothered as long as he doesn't get in a "nostalgic" mood.
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Rachel

Hello Tony,

I definitely think couples counselling may provide some clarity in the relationship.

Everything changes, most things a little at a time. Then we notice all the change and say when did that happen. Sometimes, as a defense mechanism, people ignore something that is not pending. Then all the sudden where did that come from and defensively put up a wall. Then communication stops and distancing occurs.

Each of you are entitled to be who you are. If the change is something you must do and he can not accept it then it will be a very difficult time in the home.

You have a lot on your plate; preparing for the worse case may be prudent.

Every situation is different. I do know for me my dysphoria is gone and I am the best woman I can be. However, my wife and daughter are gone. For me it was a terrible price and horrible choice. Given the same circumstances again I think moving quicker with the divorce and separating would help to heal the wounds quicker.
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amandam

I know if I transition, my wife won't stay. She hasn't said she won't, but she did say she didn't know if she could stay if I had the surgery, etc. I get that. My wife and your husband signed on with us as our original sex. We have a right to change sex, they have a right to be married to the opposite sex if that is how they see themselves living. I'm thinking of going on hormones. The thought of losing my marriage gives me pause, but it won't stop me, if I need to do it.
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MeTony

Thinking about starting in a week. I just feel depressed when I think of waiting even more. I hate these depressed feelings and thoughts. I really don't want to be depressed again.

I will be very sad if he leaves. But I will be depressed again if I don't do me.



Tony
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Rachel

So this is just me typing out loud when I read your reply:

Then
I dreaded my divorce,
Hate living apart,
miss my ex and daughter,
am lonely.

Now
I am getting over the divorce and I know it was best for us. I am still not happy about it but I am at peace with it. I think it is losing a very close friend and the closeness of my daughter that stings.I do see my ex and daughter one or twice a month.

I am getting better living alone and would like to find a guy to go out with and do things with and more. I think with work and a guy that can give me room I will be good. I work a lot and want to have fun when not at work.

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So I know it is daunting now to think about the change but I think what has hurt me the most is/was my resistance to change and wanting what I could not have. So things are different now and I am adjusting. Now I am working on reaching out to find a guy to share good times with.

Financially it is difficult but no more so than when I was married. My daughter graduates college next month and that will help a lot. The alimony and increased mortgage cost is about what I was supplementing my ex when married. She works full time and earns a good salary so she is financially ok which rests my mind.

Any large life change is scary. The more help and acceptance the better but in the end I think being with woman in group gave me an understanding of what is truly important and needed. You have some additional complications and it will be challenging.   
HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
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F_P_M

It's hard, I mean I know I fear that "losing everything" feeling, feeling selfish and so on but ultimately, at the end of the day, you have to do what is best for YOU and remaining in this shadow of a life is going to kill you.
Ultimately, while it's less than ideal to have such little support from your other half, it's something a lot of trans people have to go through to become their true selves. It SUCKS and it's not fair, but some people put far too much stock in gender when it comes to their partners and it's unfair to force them to stay if they're uncomfortable.
on the other hand, it's pretty unfair I think for a partner to force you to stay "in the closet" when they should be able to see the harm it's doing.
At the end of the day, this isn't about THEM, it's about YOU and you have to put yourself first.

Maybe he'll adapt, maybe he won't, but remaining as you are doesn't sound like it's at all tolerable and as time wears on it'll just cause resentment between you anyway.

I really wish it was possible to wave a magic wand and make everything good and right but sadly life just isn't like that.
I'm very fortunate I suppose in that my partner is bi just like I am, had he been straight he'd be running a mile i'm sure. And even being bi he's uncertain about all this as he's never been intimate with a guy and it's a big change.
I still worry it'll be "too much" and he won't be able to do it.
I can already sense him tensing up when I mention changes I look forward to, and he's started growing his beard out which is totally a power move of "masculine machoness" lol. Cismen are so ridiculous.
Seriously, I get the real feeling he thinks me transitioning is somehow going to detract from his own masculinity, like, if I have better facial hair or chest hair it somehow makes him "less of a man" and i'm like "honey, look at it this way, you'll always have a bigger dick!" which seemed to cheer him up a bit.

Anyway i'm rambling.

Point is, it's a huge change in the relationship and most couples sadly don't weather that storm. But I remind you, your mental health is MORE IMPORTANT.
and it's not your fault. Don't feel guilty, don't feel selfish, don't ever let yourself feel like you're a burden. That's depression being a jerk and lying to you. I know that's hard, to tell yourself it's okay to take the plunge and throw everything into chaos but hey, sometimes you need to strip away dead wood to grow. Great forests grow from scorched ground.

You can do this. You've survived this long, you're STRONG. You can do this.

And when you stumble, we'll all be here to help okay?
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MeTony

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