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The straw that broke the camel's back.

Started by Sephirah, August 02, 2024, 02:48:10 PM

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Sephirah

Quote from: NikkiM on August 30, 2024, 10:26:09 PMIt was a long time to heal from it which I have recovered from it.The song that made them change was Hurt by the late Johnny Cash.They heard it and knew what they did to me was wrong

Wow. I have never heard that before. I just YouTubed it. That is extremely powerful. So extremely powerful.
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zamber74

Quote from: Sephirah on August 02, 2024, 02:48:10 PMIn keeping with the theme of having thread titles that give you no idea what is in it without clicking on it... (not done on purpose, honest... ;)) this is about tipping points.

I am interested in whether you had a single event, or moment in your life which set you on the path to discovering, accepting, or actively working towards being yourself. If there was one thing you can put your finger on which you can say "This was what tipped the scales I'd been trying to balance!"

Or... conversely, whether you were literally just waiting for the time people listened to something you were telling them since the minute you could form words.

For me, it was a dream. One dream, one night. The most vivid dream I've ever had. And I still remember the details to this day, nearly 20 years on. It wasn't quite lucid, but it felt like it. I tend to have vivid dreams most times... my subconscious seems to have the idea that it can invite all the exotic dancers and stockpile copious amounts of alcohol when my conscious self is not around to stop it... but this was on a whole other level. It was like living a version of my life which was the past, present and future rolled into one. I saw with a clarity I never had before, and have rarely had since.

What was it like for you?

I've been close several times, but never transitioned.  Even after nearly half a century, I'm still figuring myself out.  I do know I have never been happy physically being a man, I have always wished I were a woman, but then all of the social expectations with gender have never sat right with me.

I think I probably would have transitioned twenty five years ago, if the requirements for transitioning were different.  Back then, they wanted you to live as a woman for a year before you could even be placed on HRT. I was not interested in living as a woman, I just wanted to physically be one, if that makes any sense.  I still feel bitter about that, all of these years later.  Many people have in the past told me, it made sense, if you want to be a woman, you have to live as one - that never made sense to me.  Why must I accommodate a role, that shouldn't exist in the first place?

The problem with being myself, is that I can't be myself so long as society has expectations on people, so long as we continue to define one another, and try to place each other in boxes. I think I am coming to that realization now, more so than ever before.  I don't want to live as a man, I don't want to live as a woman, I don't want to live in a predefined role.  I just wan to feel happy with my body, I want to be happy with my voice, I want to be "me".

One of the reasons I never transitioned, is because of that demand people put on one another, to live a specific way based upon what is between their legs.  I just never wanted to do that, further, the fear of repercussions of a vengeful society had left me avoiding any transition to begin with, it would be a double whammy, on one side I would have opposed my birth gender, on the second side I would have broken gender roles assigned to us.


I think society is finally coming around to my way of thinking, at least a lot of society is.  It only took the majority of my life for them to 🤣  Gender roles are slowly vanishing, thankfully, at least in my mind thankfully.  Still, there is the demand by some to keep people in their "place" by gender, but it seems to be dwindling and hopefully will be gone entirely in another couple of decades.

I just want to be in the body I would feel most comfortable in, and spend most of my time away from people in general.  Anyway, getting back to the point of the thread, I think this is probably the closest I am to accepting myself, as well as clarity as to who I am.  If I am to transition, it is going to be for me, not to fill in some gender role for other people. 

Unfortunately, at this time, even though I do have that clarity, it is not an easy path to follow.  If I were to pursue it at this time, I would probably end up homeless, and to be honest, I don't have the resources to ever feel comfortable in my own body regardless.

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For many years I fought a kind of low level internal guerrilla war with myself over my gender expression, until I realised it was a conflict over how I thought people thought I should be.

One moment of clarity came when I stopped thinking and started asking the people closest to me what they did think, instead of putting my own thoughts in their heads and beating myself up over that. It's a long time ago now, but the more I talked, the fewer battles I fought with myself and the more allies I realised I had, the easier it became.

Basically I was fighting myself and the masculinity scripts I had been brought up with and I came to realise that while some of the scripts could be quite useful, there was no law that said I couldn't find feminine scripts useful too. That was a breakout moment.

Sephirah

Quote from: zamber74 on September 18, 2024, 01:22:22 PMI've been close several times, but never transitioned.  Even after nearly half a century, I'm still figuring myself out.  I do know I have never been happy physically being a man, I have always wished I were a woman, but then all of the social expectations with gender have never sat right with me.

I think I probably would have transitioned twenty five years ago, if the requirements for transitioning were different.  Back then, they wanted you to live as a woman for a year before you could even be placed on HRT. I was not interested in living as a woman, I just wanted to physically be one, if that makes any sense.  I still feel bitter about that, all of these years later.  Many people have in the past told me, it made sense, if you want to be a woman, you have to live as one - that never made sense to me.  Why must I accommodate a role, that shouldn't exist in the first place?

The problem with being myself, is that I can't be myself so long as society has expectations on people, so long as we continue to define one another, and try to place each other in boxes. I think I am coming to that realization now, more so than ever before.  I don't want to live as a man, I don't want to live as a woman, I don't want to live in a predefined role.  I just wan to feel happy with my body, I want to be happy with my voice, I want to be "me".

One of the reasons I never transitioned, is because of that demand people put on one another, to live a specific way based upon what is between their legs.  I just never wanted to do that, further, the fear of repercussions of a vengeful society had left me avoiding any transition to begin with, it would be a double whammy, on one side I would have opposed my birth gender, on the second side I would have broken gender roles assigned to us.


I think society is finally coming around to my way of thinking, at least a lot of society is.  It only took the majority of my life for them to 🤣  Gender roles are slowly vanishing, thankfully, at least in my mind thankfully.  Still, there is the demand by some to keep people in their "place" by gender, but it seems to be dwindling and hopefully will be gone entirely in another couple of decades.

I just want to be in the body I would feel most comfortable in, and spend most of my time away from people in general.  Anyway, getting back to the point of the thread, I think this is probably the closest I am to accepting myself, as well as clarity as to who I am.  If I am to transition, it is going to be for me, not to fill in some gender role for other people. 

Unfortunately, at this time, even though I do have that clarity, it is not an easy path to follow.  If I were to pursue it at this time, I would probably end up homeless, and to be honest, I don't have the resources to ever feel comfortable in my own body regardless.

Yeah I get this, Zamber. Probably more than you know. And I see this a lot even still. "What is a woman?" To my way of thinking, it's just you. It's not about proving you're some package of expectations, mannerisms, attributes... living up to some goal people set for you. What is a woman? It's just you. If you want to be under the hood of a muscle car... if you want to be chomping cigars in the military oiling guns... I think the only person who has the right to determine who they are, is the person who has to reside in their own skin. Most tomboys in the world, most badass chicas who forge their own way would probably be disgusted at what contributes "living as a woman" in order to get treatment in order to just be you. It's an outdated way of thinking, I agree.

Real life experience living as a woman... most trans folks have had that for many years. It's called being born. We just live as our kind of women. It's that simple. Like every other woman does.

I get you, honey. And I hope that you can be in a place where you can do this, okay? Because I think you have the right attitude. No it isn't easy. I hope... you can get to a place where you are comfortable in your mind, if nothing else. <3
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

Caiwen

Hi Sephirah! These are such wonderful posts, and there helping me dig deep and find even more meaning in my journey! So, thank you for that!

For me, it was a lot of things followed by a lot more things, followed by 3 words, followed by 5 words. Let me explain.

I just had a lot of things fall into place at all the right times. There were so many events that led to me getting here. Here are just a few.

-trip to Japan, helping me increase my empathy capacity
-near suicide experience, giving me something tangible to "never go back to"
-considering how people felt around me, and how i impact their lives. This helped me to peel back the narcissistic layers I didn't recognize that I had
-ChatGPT gave me the ability to reorganize and process my thoughts and feelings in a way that I never even considered.
-weed. I had avoided smoking my whole life out of some weird idea that weed makes you dumb/annoying, etc. After trying myself, all the distractions quieted down so I could sit with a thought and work it out right.
-getting off all my mental health meds. Abilify, straterra, bupropion, celexa, adderall and more are now no longer altering my brain
-I got perma banned from ->-bleeped-<-. I would go and tear Trumpers apart all day and night. It was consuming me with fear that we would have another Trump win and therefore, all my progress would mean nothing because of P2025. Being forced out helped me to calm down. Sure I can still go on there and read/look, but without being able to interact, it was like this slow detoxing from social media as I use it less and less daily.
-my kids. After seeing my kids and how they are, how they act, etc, I decided that they are happiest when I and my partner are happy. I knew I couldn't be happy living as I was.

These are just a handful of the MANY things that changed for me.

The words?

"I'm a girl."

and

"I love me. So much."