Washroom incident

[Eileen]

 Maybe this should be posted in Bathroom News, but it's not a legal issue. Many times I've attended CD, Trans social events, gals out in public with supportive SO's or spouses. Usually just a fun night out, dressing up, and other wives to meet with.
 Till last meeting. While answering natures call, someone in the stall next me came in and peed standing up.
For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would go through the bother to dress as female and pee as a man. In the woman's washroom! Even though I was done, I wouldn't leave the stall till I heard the main door shut. Quite often, I've shared the facilities with Cd's. Although I really 'know', it's part of accepting their desires. Do your business, wash hands and check make up. All part of being a woman. But to announce yourself as male by standing up to pee is an intrusion on the privacy of all women.

 Eileen

[Mrs. Oliphant]

I applaud your support for your cross-dressing SO, Eileen. And do not doubt your mortification at the 'washroom incident.' Ironically, one of my (many) ex-wives stood up to urinate in public restrooms. She was terrified of whatever someone else might have left behind on the toilet seat. As Donald Rumsfeld famously said, "Gender is messy." I'm old. Maybe he was talking about something else, but gender is messy. I present male when I'm in public, but I sit down to urinate. Nothing to do with gender identity, but prostate health. I hope I'm not offending any of the 'real' males when I do.

[Eileen]

Thanks Mrs. Oliphant.
 My husband usually sits while at home, it's a lot less messy. He also had some medical issues some time back, using the stall instead of a urinal was less stressful Don't sit in the urinal.
Public washrooms are disgusting, therefore many women hover. A tricky maneuver if there is nothing to hold on to.
Careful to not fill your panties.

[TanyaG]

I present male when I'm in public, but I sit down to urinate. Nothing to do with gender identity, but prostate health. I hope I'm not offending any of the 'real' males when I do.

There was a fun survey recently and about half of German men sit down to pee if they get the chance. It's a common behaviour but guess what, standing to pee is heavily scripted. Best thing to do with the script is flush it away with everything else

[TanyaG]

Public washrooms are disgusting, therefore many women hover. A tricky maneuver if there is nothing to hold on to.

A friend of ours runs a museum in the boonies in Canada and she had us helpless over tales of how many broken toilet seats they get. It took em ages to discover it was because some women were standing on the seats and squatting down. Until the penny dropped they couldn't work out why they kept finding footprints on the plastic!

[Maid Marion]

Maybe they need to retrofit the ladies room for some squatting toilets like they have in Japan?

[TanyaG]

Maybe they need to retrofit the ladies room for some squatting toilets like they have in Japan?

This may well be it. Mind, I have another friend who ran a guest house and they say the creative possibilities that exist for wrecking toilets are limitless

[Eileen]

 In many cultures, squatting over a hole in the ground is common. So, standing on a toilet seems reasonable.
But let's not get off subject here. My Sweetie does not want to be accepted as CD in public, she wants to be assumed as a woman. Not all, but most CD's want to pass as a woman. As a genetic woman, I'm sure I've been oblivious to the true nature of many women I've encountered all my life, because they behave as women.

 As mentioned before, this was a CD and spouse event. I knew the gals in the ladies room were men dressed as women. I've only met these people as women, so it's easy to accept them as women. Once even helped a girl who had the back of her skirt tucked into her pantyhose!

 Though I barely understand the desire for a man to present as female, it's more than the clothing. Affecting the mannerisms of femineity completes the experience.
 Except for Mrs. Oliphant's ex (must have made a mess, how does a woman aim?) woman do not pee in public toilets standing up. It spoils the whole illusion. That person, that night, announced that he is a man peeing in the woman's washroom. It's just wrong.

 Eileen

[Lilis]

Though I barely understand the desire for a man to present as female, it's more than the clothing. Affecting the mannerisms of femineity completes the experience.

Except for Mrs. Oliphant's ex (must have made a mess, how does a woman aim?) woman do not pee in public toilets standing up. It spoils the whole illusion. That person, that night, announced that he is a man peeing in the woman's washroom.

It's just wrong.

Hi Eileen,

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

I just wanted to gently offer a different view.

I don't see crossdressing or gender expression as an "illusion."

For many, it's a meaningful and authentic way to express themselves, and sometimes even part of a deeper journey with gender identity. Referring to it as an illusion can unintentionally dismiss the reality and diversity of people's experiences.

I also feel that focusing on how someone uses the bathroom, such as whether they stand or sit, can cross into personal territory.

In my opinion those behaviors often reflect someone's physical needs more than their identity and may not be a fair measure of who they are.


~ Lilis 🫂