The need for majority vote.

[Sarah]

So it has been discussed a lot lately how the shortcomings of our community are the primary obstacle in our need to re-organize and form up in the wake of ENDA.

It has been discussed for different reasons, but the primary concern that seems to have arised is the need for consensus and the apperant lack of it in our community.

I would agree.
We have no consensus.

Which is why I propose that we drop the idea of having 100% conformity and uniformity in our group.

We need to get things done, and we cant do that if we can't move.

We are currently frozen by the belief that if we can't find a way to accomodate everyone then we should not go forward and rather keep discussing.

I disagree.

WE CANNOT ACCOMODATE EVERYONE.

Not if we are to move at all.

we are like a bunch of people who can generaly agree that North is good, but can't decide whether or not Northeast is better or Northwest.

I say both are North!

Moving one inch is better than moving nothing.

We are getting nowhere.
And this insistant belief that we need to find a perfect solution is not working.

"perfect ain't gettin anything done".

We can't not deal with the things we need to simply because the proposed methods leave out one percent.

That's too bad. but we need to move forward.

We are getting stomped out there! We need to fight back.

We need to stand up for ourselves and not be worrying about whether or not we take the highway or interstate.

Yes some people will not like all the options chosen.
But right now all the options are not good and it is affecting all of us.

So I say we stop doing this.

I say we get together and decide what issues are the most important for us and go with that.
Even if some disagree with the wording or feel uncomfortable.

I think we need to do it anyway.

Thank you.

Sara

[tekla]

It is, and its how politics works, like it or not. 

[Sarah]

Yes that is true.

Politics is the art of compromise.

So if we don't want to be what is compromised, we need to be able to stand on our on and represent ourselves.

Then it doesn't matter if the HRC does what it did.

We could represent ourselves.

Sara

[cindianna_jones]

I think that we can cover many things with umbrella statements....

"Equal rights for everyone" seems most appropriate.  However, the proverbial "we" can't even agree on that one.

Cindi

[VeryGnawty]

This is basic human behavior.  Humans, for the most part, are social animals.  That means we identify ourselves by forming a group of like-minded people whom we share ideas with, as opposed to different-minded people.  If different-minded people form a big enough group, there is a chance that some of our like-minded people will turn tail on us (due to mob behavior or social factors) because the now bigger group has more like-minded ideas than ours, even if a couple of primary ones differ.

This behavior is necessary for "functioning" societies to work.  The other option is to change people's minds by expanding their thought.  But this process takes a very long time, since most people aren't interested in changing their worldview overnight.