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Enough of this biggotry! Guys, (men) please comment!

Started by Sarah, January 20, 2008, 03:51:18 PM

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Sarah

Alright, C'mon,
you guys are getting personal here...

M' LOVE! Not War!
lol ^-^
Sara
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Rachael

its the age old thing, women in the mens room is not a threat... presense of a penis in the ladies room sparks penis fear....
its ironic that society sees transwomen as rapists and perverts wanting to spy on women changing or peeing... especially considering they dont bat an eyelid about lesbians, who are more likely a threat comparatively. whos more of a pervert in the changing rooms? the lesbian checking out the women around her, or the straight transwoman who doenst care about women? *shrugs*
last time i used the ladies, nobody checked my knickers. and nobody asked for ID.... i went into a stall, did my business, washed up and left.... like the countless other women that day... i was probably the only one with a penis... but id challenge them to pin that on anyone...
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tekla

It is not personal, it's professional, and if you can not separate out the personal, you can't be a professional.

To wit:



Funny me.  I want an engineer who can do solid math.  An accountant who finds it more flexible ("How much is 2+2?"  "How much do you want it to be?").  And a doctor who knows medicine.

I'm real picky about knots.  Which, in most things, is not a big deal.  But when you're hauling up $14K in a lighting unit, with a union brother or sister (or worse, a star) underneath, its a BIG, BIG deal.  I do not want something like a bowline, or almost a bowline.  I want a bowline.

Now, in PR (full disclosure here... I write speeches and make PowerPoints for people - big time corporate executives -  in my down time, as a part of my income stream.  It does not make me as much as my other work, but I'm sure it makes me as much as some people on these boards make in a year.  So its not a simple matter.  Nor do I take it as such, but I do know PR.  And, I do try to remain mindful that people are buying me a lunch that costs more than a lot of people make in a day, and I try to live, and work, up to that standard.), as in academia, your work is judged by the printed words on the printed page

I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that misspelled words leap off the page at me.  Or that sloppy use of language (especially in law, which, in the end, is all about words and definitions) is somewhat bothersome.  When I play with the people I jam with, I might miss and hit the E and not the E minor.  No big deal.  If we were playing for 2K people who paid $45 bucks to see us.  It is a big deal. 

So words in PR, like knots to me in stagecraft, are very real, and tangible.  I want a bowline because the more weight it takes, the tighter it holds in a very few twists of the rope.  Simple, to the point, effective.  Just like language.  Precision in language is all you have in PR. 

It's not a slam dear.  It's a plea to use your best, in everything, all the time, and everywhere.  If your job is to be precise in language, then do it every-time, all the time.  My friends have me come over to do their home stereos.  Not just because I have a drill that will go through several walls, but because I  show up with cable ties, clippers, extra wire, and when I'm done, its done the same way I would do a stage - not one wire showing.  Its not that I'm such a picky bitch, (I am) but that's just the way I do it, all the time, every-time.

And I will tell you why (something I almost never do, but in this case....).  Once upon a time, the person who taught me so much of this told me (and this is an exact quote, because it matters so much to me - and because he gave this same lecture to everyone he worked with, which is half my crew - who, repeat it like a mantra.)

Kat, we do this every night the same way.  We do it the same way every night.  That way, no matter how messed up you are, you will do it in just that way.  Every night.  No matter what night, we do it the same way.  That way, it's always the same.

So much for originality, but hey, the bowline wasn't original either.  And the point was for the band to be original, not us.  And we were precise.  As an engineer you can dig on that.  The mike for the lead singer/lead guitar player was to be 7 feet, 3 and 1/4 inches from the tip of the mike to the center of the amp.  Did that 1/4 an inch matter?  Sonically no.  But as long as it was always 7' 3 1/4", then it was never ALMOST seven feet, or CLOSE TO seven feet, or A BIT MORE THAN seven feet.  It was 7' 3 1/4" - no more, no less.  Exact.  Precise.  Perfect.

It's about doing the best all the time, every time.  Do we make it?  Do I?  Hell no.  But at least I do try.  I try hard not to write my posts in PhD language, thick impenetrable sentences that take a week to get through and even then your not really sure about what was said.  I pride myself on being pretty easy to understand.  When I say "Hillary Clinton is part of a criminal conspiracy."  That's pretty hard to parse in any way other than I think she is a criminal who should be in jail.  I may, or may not be right about that, (and I am) but what I say is pretty clear.  Given my background, that is no easy task.  But I do work on it.

So should you.
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Rachael

QuoteI may, or may not be right about that, (and I am)
10/10 for selfconfidence ;)
seriously, lovely story, but relevance is where?
and what the hell does this topic have to do with clinton?
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Keira

Its professional... That's your point... Just incredibly specious... ???

I was responsible for $20M in devellopment budget as senior architect,
dealt with the board and outside investors. of a $200M startup company
close to San-Jose and got diploma's up the wazoo.

And so what!!!
It has nothing to do with my posts. This is not my job.

Do you think I should evaluate your PR job from your posts.
Hopefully not, cause I wouldn't be generous.
But, I would also be very unfair, because its not your job.

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Berliegh

Quote from: Rachael on January 21, 2008, 03:13:42 AM
last time i used the ladies, nobody checked my knickers. and nobody asked for ID.... i went into a stall, did my business, washed up and left.... like the countless other women that day... i was probably the only one with a penis... but id challenge them to pin that on anyone...
R :police:

Ditto! and that's how it been for me for quite a few years now..
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Audrey

Oh Renate, you make me laugh with your funny and out of the box way of thinking.  That is a good idea about the bathroom key thing too.  I like the fact that you don't take yourself too seriously, something which a lot of people take for granted.

Audrey
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gothique11

Quote from: Audrey on January 21, 2008, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: tekla on January 20, 2008, 07:14:57 PM
Since GID is pretty much self-diagnosed to begin with, and since people with money can doctor shop, they can buy whatever papers they want.  So that's not an option either.  Like "medical marijuana' which when it was passed meant people in chemo or with Glaucoma, but in reality, its down to $35 bucks and telling the Doc "I'm stressed" (and who is not). 

What doctor is that again???   :icon_ciggy:   :D

Oh yeah I forgot.  Short term memory is shot   ;)  Umm bathrooms yeah use whatever you feel comfortable.  As long as you don't assault someone verbally or otherwise.  And if people dislike it they can get over it.  Or just get rid of segregated bathrooms.

Audrey


Welcoem to Canada, eh! :icon_ciggy: (yes, you can get a doctors not for medical marijuana here). I should state, however, that is is highly regulated, and it's much easier to get it form a dealer than a doctor.

But yeah, after reading this mess, medical marijuana might help me forget about it. LOL

--natalie :D
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Dennis

Not to mention apparently our government can't even do marijuana well. I hear the quality sucks.

Dennis
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Rachael

i personally prefer men in the mens room, women in the womens room.... its worked for centuries, and i still dont want guys around when im peeing, talking about them, or fixing my makeup etc...
guys does include CDs....
society will not have a problem with transsexual women in the womens room, or transmen in the mens room once they get transseuxality.... thats one thing we need to push, and 99% of the issues surrounding it will collapse...
dont treat the symptoms, treat the disease...
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tekla

How exactly and precisely do you write that law then?  Any post-SRS law would have you in the men's room Rachael.
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Sheila

This is really funny. The "RESTROOM". When will people quit? How about the shower room? Where you might actually see something. Guys, who are CD and all of the other letters of the alphabet should be able to use the men's restroom. Most restrooms have stalls that do lock. Gee, amazing gadget the lock. Now, if you see a foot under the partician, cause the guy in the other stall has a wide stance, be very careful. Don't ever pick up paper that the guy has dropped.
Sheila
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siouxsie

I use the women's restroom but always use the handicapped stall, because I have a mental disorder  ::)

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tekla

In fact, lots of the nightclubs in SF have taken all the doors off the stalls at the request of the police.  Something to do with drug use.
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Dennis

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
In fact, lots of the nightclubs in SF have taken all the doors off the stalls at the request of the police.  Something to do with drug use.

I ran across one of those at a rest stop on the way back from California. I thought it was because of guys having sex in the stalls. I guess either reason would seem enough. It was a bit bloody awkward though. I was desperately hoping nobody came in while I was in there.

Dennis
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Rachael

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 12:26:54 PM
How exactly and precisely do you write that law then?  Any post-SRS law would have you in the men's room Rachael.
who said post srs?

and i woudldnt, unless they checked my underwear ;) never once had a problem in the loos

R >:D
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tekla

Rachael, I'm just looking for some language that would meet some sort of testable legal standard.  One of the proposals, as I read it, would exclude you.  I don't think anyone ought be excluded, but its a very fine line to draw, very fine.  I would hope that it would not be based simply on passing, that would excluded several post-ops I know.  I was in a position to wrestle with it a few years ago and as close as we could get was 'presentation' which includes CDs, which I take it you don't like.  Where do you draw that fine line?


Dennis:  I thought it was because of guys having sex in the stalls.  Those darn U.S. Senators, Larry Craig must really get around.  But I was thinking of women's rooms with the doors off.  They came off in men's rooms in a lot of the clubs more than a decade or so ago.  But taking the women's doors off is in the last five years or so.
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Rachael

and like i said, no law would prohibit me, because no law would enforce mandatory poon examinations before entry.

official letter saying your TS is fairly good proof....
or a F on your licence, which is atainable if Transsexual, not if CD
R >:D
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Berliegh

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 12:26:54 PM
How exactly and precisely do you write that law then?  Any post-SRS law would have you in the men's room Rachael.

Why?

last time I had to balls to go in the Men's restroom was 2002 and I was wearing guys levi denim jeans and jacket.....and I still got thrown out and told I shouldn't in there at all and told I should be in the women's restroom where all the other women should be. By the way I haven't had SRS but I am still percieved as female..
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tekla

F on your licence, which is atainable if Transsexual, not if CD

All it takes in Cali is a note from a doctor, same as medical MaryJane.  Not all that hard to get.  In other states, its very hard.
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