Does it hurt us to be in stealth?

[cindybc]

I am not certain, don't quote me on this but at one time it was no great difficulty at all for a British subject to move to Canada. If you go to BC you can get health insurance, not certain of the exact price something in the neighborhood of $40.00 per month and they cover SRS. And my experience thus far it has only gone down to freezing about half a dozen times all winter so far. Canadians? Well I been through most all of the easterns States and the only difference I found was the various accents and each place has their own distinct personalities, same in Canada.

Cindy

[Rachael]

you miss the point quite spectuacularly...
i want to go to the US.... NOT canada... Trust me when i say i know the pros and cons of such an action. and that being a random heterosexual woman in her early 20s is my criteria for movement, not trans.
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[Suzy]

Rachael,

I just think you should follow your dreams.  If they lead to the U.S., so be it.  But to take these words to heart, there is no easy ride anywhere for us on this globe.  There are plenty of challenges wherever you end up.  Just know what they are and be as prepared as you can be. 

Best of luck to you!

Kristi

[Rachael]

um, as nobody sees anything but a young woman. theres not much but offical things to hide... and i can deal with the occasional official... wherever in the world, and whatever i do...
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[Shana A]

um, as nobody sees anything but a young woman. theres not much but offical things to hide... and i can deal with the occasional official... wherever in the world, and whatever i do...
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You might want to practice driving on the opposite side of the road before you move here 

y2g

PS, make you sure you come and visit all of us here in the US!

[tekla]

It seems unrealistic, based more on want and TV/movies than reality.

[cindybc]

Cmon now, here I thought Canada was full of Hungarians? "hee, hee, hee."

Cindy

[Rachael]

It seems unrealistic, based more on want and TV/movies than reality.

stealth or the us?
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[tekla]

Stealth through INS.  Being discovered that the passport does not match the physical reality (and strip searches are not unique, we have this drug problem also) bad things.  Why would that not be true if you were not a terrorist (which is EXACTLY the way they think).  Wanting to be a cop, not unless you are a citizen - we don't hire foreigners for that, we hire them to be maids, au pairs and gardeners - sad but true.  Any cop in a major city or law enforcement deal (post 9-11) must be a citizen, and have a full national security background check - for mine, and that was just working with documents, they interviewed my elementary school teachers.  Most police here grow up in a gun culture, not a paintball culture, and have a background in military MP work.  Full physicals are needed for citizenship or being a cop. 

[buttercup]

Stealth through INS.  Being discovered that the passport does not match the physical reality (and strip searches are not unique, we have this drug problem also) bad things.  Why would that not be true if you were not a terrorist (which is EXACTLY the way they think).  Wanting to be a cop, not unless you are a citizen - we don't hire foreigners for that, we hire them to be maids, au pairs and gardeners - sad but true.  Any cop in a major city or law enforcement deal (post 9-11) must be a citizen, and have a full national security background check - for mine, and that was just working with documents, they interviewed my elementary school teachers.  Most police here grow up in a gun culture, not a paintball culture, and have a background in military MP work.  Full physicals are needed for citizenship or being a cop. 

So....... what ya trying to say??     

[Rachael]

Stealth through INS.  Being discovered that the passport does not match the physical reality (and strip searches are not unique, we have this drug problem also) bad things.  Why would that not be true if you were not a terrorist (which is EXACTLY the way they think).  Wanting to be a cop, not unless you are a citizen - we don't hire foreigners for that, we hire them to be maids, au pairs and gardeners - sad but true.  Any cop in a major city or law enforcement deal (post 9-11) must be a citizen, and have a full national security background check - for mine, and that was just working with documents, they interviewed my elementary school teachers.  Most police here grow up in a gun culture, not a paintball culture, and have a background in military MP work.  Full physicals are needed for citizenship or being a cop. 

ok, off my back kido....
for a start, i already have a pasport with a F...
ive never had one before, and my current passport has my real name, and real gender, so whats not to match? strip search? rare

And how DARE you be so demeaning... foreigners in the us can only be maids? and hired hands?
i plan on getting US citizenship, i CAN do that, its perfectly possible, i WILL become a cop, i WILL pass a security check... police forces have trans employees, its unlikely to stop me... heck, Gabrielle here GOT a job working IT for the pd, with them knowing she was trans....
gun culture? whatever
and what the fruitcage  is paintball to do with anything?? ive never played the game in my life , full physical yes, so what?, i dont really care if you dont like me (big shock) i wont be crying because of it,
to put it bluntly, leave me alone.... ill do as i please, not how you please.
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[cindybc]

Stealth? Well I never tried that. For one, I transitioned on the job, social worker, which required dealing with a lot of people every day. Now I have meetup groups I am running meeting in person with the members and soon will be opening a drop in center and support group for Trans People. I need to be with people, it makes me feel good to feel needed, and useful. I was talking to a drag king at a meeting tonight. She does drag king stage acts. I also have another really close friend, a humorist and musical performer.

This Saturday evening I am going to a drag king show. I will be getting dressed up. haven't done that for a while. Anyway I am finding life quite interesting these days.

Cindy     

Posted on: February 08, 2008, 02:05:34 AMI have no doubt you can do it Rachael, you are ornery enough to do anything your heart desires, but just make sure you do all your homework before you get on the plane.

Cindy

[NicholeW.]

Wanting to be a cop, not unless you are a citizen - we don't hire foreigners for that, we hire them to be maids, au pairs and gardeners - sad but true. 

I started to quote the entire post, but to repeat what seemed to be a post designed to hurt and belittle intentionally seemed to just repeat cruelty. It seemed unnecessary to have written that, let alone repeat it.

Besides, Rach's reply was a good one. Covered the ground quite well.

We also hire 'furners' to work in computer labs, as scientists, politicians (your state does that anyhow) executives, social workers, lawyers and doctors, nurses, --- umm, any need to go on?

I understand that we sometimes rub others here the wrong way and that they retaliate. But, to do so for the sake of belittling someone seems not so nice and adds nothing to a discussion.

Sometimes the best answer is the one not given.

N~ 

[cindybc]

Hi Nichole W.
I agree with you, it came through to me kind of.......well, crude I guess. Ok those may be real obstacles if it had been written as telling the person about the possible obstacles in a mite more supportive less harsh way. If you two from UK decide you want to come to BC to finish the job, well, Paula and I have an extra room for you.

Cndy

[Keira]

Since 50% of engineers in silicon valley are "furners" (sic),
don't really get it.  Illegal immigrants are hired for the
most menial jobs, because they have no status.

[Rachael]

thats what i thought K....
ILLEGAL imigrants, gardeners, aupaires, and maids sure... but not ANY no us person... get a grip! i think someone needs to maybe look beyond thier own trailerpark....
Economic migrants, thats people with valuable skills Tekla... are the backbone of global economic and intellect trade....
i personally know there arnt such obsticles in my path, as ive done the research, and spoken to those in the area and field...
Sure, i wont be officially stealth to the brass, but i can sure as hell live my life with nobody i interact with daily knowing...


One automatically assumes that a member of a minority will be liberal, and follow the christian teaching of do as you wish to be done by.... regardless of religion as its fairly common...
minotiries can be as biggoted and nasty as any majority member..
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[Hypatia]

all i need is grs, which im probably going to thailand for anyway... cant hurt to be closer can it?

Take a look at a globe... Great Britain is thousands of miles closer to Thailand than North America is.

Distance from London to Bangkok
Distance is 9534 kilometers or 5924 miles

Distance from New York to Bangkok
Distance is 13,936 kilometers or 8659 miles

Distance from San Francisco to Bangkok
Distance is 12,755 kilometers or 7926 miles
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distance.html

[joannatsf]

Hey Rachael, It's your dream and your decision.  I wish you the best of luck with your new life in the United States.  I apologise for my earlier negativity.  My own dreams seemed pretty far fetched a few years ago but I've made most of them happen anyway.  I'm sure you'll do the same 

It's a very big place and culturally diverse.  I hope you'll come to California, IMHO the nicest of the 50.  There is a Golden State Peace Officers Association for LGBT police officers.  They might have useful info for you.  FYI, the California Highway Patrol is the top of the food chain in the world of Cali cops.  You will have more graft opportunities in LA and SF though.  >

[Rachael]

with my degree, im after a fasttrack route to detective, PROBABLY in LA or SF, most likely LA. Do some years as detective, then apply to the feds.
maybe a pipedream, but im heading that way at full steam, and woe betide anyone who gets in my way....
do excuse me if i dont join an overt pd lgbt group, id rather not be out... stealth if i physically can...
highway patrol? ill stick to homicide or vice ktnx

oh hypatia: yeah, BUT, there are more flights going from the west coast of the US to thailand and asia, than from the uk, For cheaper

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[Terra]

with my degree, im after a fasttrack route to detective, PROBABLY in LA or SF, most likely LA. Do some years as detective, then apply to the feds.
maybe a pipedream, but im heading that way at full steam, and woe betide anyone who gets in my way....
do excuse me if i dont join an overt pd lgbt group, id rather not be out... stealth if i physically can...
highway patrol? ill stick to homicide or vice ktnx

oh hypatia: yeah, BUT, there are more flights going from the west coast of the US to thailand and asia, than from the uk, For cheaper

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My hat's off to you Rachael.  PD work isn't something anyone can do, and I mean that in the mental stress way and no other. Though I find it funny that so many people want OUT of the US and so many people want IN.

As for working in the USA as a trans-person, I think education is the one that has the most roadblocks.