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What is "True Love" ?

Started by Peggiann, March 10, 2006, 05:46:28 PM

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Teri Anne

Hi Peggiann,
Yes, I agree that there are all kinds of "true love."  I don't wish to infer that "true love" is only between spouses.  Mothers and fathers who have died so their children can live is just one example. 

But it's hard to draw boundaries on what makes up "true love."  I can imagine a situation where a father is disgusted with his M2F "son" and yet, would rush into a burning building to save the "son."  As good writers often point out, life is not black and white but is made up of a lot of shades of grey -- We all do the best we can in loving people we love. 

In order to determine whether a friend loves me with "true love," I generally think about things on a percentage basis.  My best friend, for example, upsets me sometimes with her fits of sudden anger and depression.  But since she is so wonderful to me and for me 99% of the time, I still define our close friendship as "true love."  If one can have a "soulmate," for me, she is my "soulfriend." 

Nothing is perfect, except maybe in fables.

Teri Anne
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tinkerbell

True love is to give happiness unconditionally even if this results in your own unhappiness.



tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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sheila18

Quote from: Peggiann on April 04, 2006, 09:55:37 AM
Many beleive marriage is forever. I am one of them. One of the, "till death do us part", believers. Does this mean when you can't live any longer as man and wife you have to devorce. No ...not really.
Let me put this out there. Ones has a small child whom has a tendacy to stretch his/her stories to make them more important or for what ever. This child never gets over the stretching and grows to an adult still telling whoppers. You loved your child even though they weren't honest you may not have approved but you still loved them.
The mystries of what is love?  What has bearing on if one is able to love are endless and ablilty to continue in love have just as many twists and turns as life itself. I posed the question, "What is true love?" 
Peggiann
please do not shoot the messanger:
I do not believe in "true love" or any kind of love or hyphenated love. I know that there is Love.
I used to get into the thing of "I hate you ... you betrayed me blah blah"  One day I woke up and discovered that all I had done was cover love.
When I am in touch with the knowledge that we can't do other than love forgiveness was easy and  natural and inherent byproduct, no struggle.
  The hard part is being strong enough to be patient and tolerant and to Stay.
I do not date people that hate their exxes, bad bad news. When I date someone who still respect their love for their past amours my realtionships get better and better.
I think we confuse "true love" with "wise choices versus stupid choices" or considerate/inconsiderate choices.
Our minds is the only thing messes our joys. Heaven is quickly lost in the hell of the intellect.
Be well and happy, love no matter what, sheila
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Chynna

ladies and gentlemen of the forum....

I HAVE NO FRIGGIN CLUE!

Chynna
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angelsgirl

Way to go, Chynna!  Don't be afraid to tell the truth!!!  ;D

I'm pretty sure you could be a stand-up comedienne.
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wolfie

I don't feel like there is even a word left for love anymore since it is over used on material things (ex. i love that shirt!). when i say that i love my wife i don't feel like that's saying enough.

i think that true love is loving the person exactly how they have been, are and will be in the future unconditionally.

i believe you find true love when you give the hunt and let it come to you.




Quote from: angelsgirl on July 14, 2006, 06:27:26 PM
Way to go, Chynna!  Don't be afraid to tell the truth!!!  ;D

I'm pretty sure you could be a stand-up comedienne.
I completely 100% agree!!! Try out for "last comic standing"!


          Tino

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Luc

I think everyone's got it pretty well right... true love, in my opinion, is loving someone regardless of what they've done, what they do, and how they might change on the outside... true love pertains to the true person within, not what's on the outside.

It's a very rare thing, in my experience, and those of you who have it... hold onto that person with all your might.

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

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Chynna

Quote from: angelsgirl on July 14, 2006, 06:27:26 PM
Way to go, Chynna!  Don't be afraid to tell the truth!!!  ;D

I'm pretty sure you could be a stand-up comedienne.


MMM.... The Transsexual comic.....Nah..... not my fortay im a behind the scenes sort of girl!
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Bob

<grin> all kidding aside this is a very good question !
I think before you can realy LOVE another you must first learn to love yourself.  for who you are ,for what you are , with all your faults and problems, Accepting yourself for who you are is one thing, but actually loveing yourself for who you are is another thing all togather.  its Not mandentory by any means, but sure as hell makes your life alot easier !
  I think Whitney Houstan made a song of that " the gratest love of all is inside of me "    a spouce, can leave, die ,turn against you or what ever
but the love of yourself, accepting yourself is the first step of being truly whole. Nothing or anything can take that away from you.
Love is something you feel, it is Yours, you can give it to another or keep it for yourself, it is by far the most powerfull thing i have ever whitnessed
it is Mankinds best Quality, and best hope for the future.
True love starts from there.
...
Other than that I have no Frigging idea eather ! HAHAHAH!

my 2 coppers
Bob....
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Melissa

Quote from: Bob on July 19, 2006, 08:17:50 PM
I think before you can realy LOVE another you must first learn to love yourself.

That's exactly what I said in a different thread.  Hey, that rhymed. :)

Melissa
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Chynna

To throw a serious comment in the pool for once from me!!! ;)

I Find LOVE a difficult concept to comprehend...
I seemed to be somewhat detached from my emotions when it comes to relationships...
which kicks azz when the other person pisses me off and its time to end the relationship. You know no sad period its just like oh well they come and go. unfortunantly that makes me the type of person to be in someones life for only a season...
I feel like im this sorta shooting star that flies across the sky burning really bright at first!!!...only to fall to earth and disappear...jeez im depressing myself!!!LOL
Anyways you get the concept..

So anyone else or should I just go see a therapist because im friggin crazy!!
But fun at parties and Fest!!HA HA  :P ;D

Emotional detached
Chynna
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Chynna on July 20, 2006, 10:42:05 AM
To throw a serious comment in the pool for once from me!!! ;)

should I just go see a therapist because im friggin crazy!!

Chynna


Good question Chynna doll!  A therapist won't do, what about something more high maintenance, like electric shock therapy...LOL >:D  got cha!

tinkerbell :icon_chick:


P.S.  just in case, this is a game Chynna and I play...she won the last time and now I did!!!
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Chynna

Tag Im IT HUH!?!?!?!?!?!

LMAO
I love it sis
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Bob

Ok Chynna I gott'a ask !
Why do you do that to yourself ? you are robbing yourself of the best life has to offer in so doing, well thats my opinion anyway... Yes it would help when breaking up there is no doubt there, but you are missing so very much that way!
instead of being a Shooting star , be a star that shines brighter than all the rest !.  Love is not a dificult concept. but we hide from it sometimes out of fear.  the fear of rejection being the strongest of them all in my opinion.
and it is a honnest fear, but that fear can make you miss out on so much.
I Once new a girl that Loved a friend of mine dearly, they eventually broke up and she was hart broken, that was bad enough , but the worst part about it was she pined for him to come back to her, for years this went on . I one day took her aside and said he is not comeing back to you ...you know that don't you ? (or in words to that effect, we were very good friends)
and she broke down in tears and said yes. I said Good ! now you can get over him, for get him and find some one new,  a Month later she introuduced me to her new boy friend with the gleam in her eyes that she had for my Friend...
they married and moved away and i have never seen them sense.
but my point is for 2 years she tortured herself... passing many opertunities
for others ... its things like that that will Stunt your growth ! ( we were in school at the time)
I realise that some people prefure to be anominous in their relationships
with others, its self preservation kicking in and protecting yourself.
and if thats what you want and you like it, more power to ya ! but if your unhappy with it and want more out of life and relationships,  then You can change it , learn to care, stop yourself from Not careing.  thats a conditioned responce just as catching something thrown to you, you don't have to think about it , you just do it...
those kind of conditioned responces are hard to change, but alot easier if you realise You are doing it and not someone else !
Does this make sense ? or am i rambleing again ?
Bob.......

 
 
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Melissa

No, you're not rambling.  I think that's good advice for anyone.  Right now, when I start getting into a relationship, I kind of have a breaker inside of me that seems to trip and I end up finding myself trying to back out of a potential relationship.  I think you hit on some good points as to why that may be.  It's like I haven't healed and I find it difficult to invest my emotions in something that could be potentially disasterous.  Maybe someday, I'll be able to remain in a relationship.  :'(

Melissa
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Bob

EXACTLY Milissia !
For now, Your still healing from the wounds so to speak, you can't expect to go running about as if nothing has happened !  Some of us simply start off Wounded
from day one.... I know exactly what you mean, its a combonation of what IF and self preservation down in the recesses of your mind that are keeping you from alowing yourself a good relationship.
  And make no mistake it is YOU that is doing it... Don't blame it on the other person because thats simply not the case .
  But for now Go about the motions, and act the part and when the wounds heal up completely you will be alot better off. though you may find that impossable to do and I wouldn't blame you one bit.
  People I have known have a tennancy to Jump into relationships fast, and to heck with the consiquiences, but as you get older you get more cautious and don't do that as much....call it fear, aprehintion, or just plane Smart, the results are the same.
Life teaches you what to do and what not to.... we go forth like a missel...
incountering one obstical after another, but like a missel we only know where not to go "after the fact".... when a Missel senses it is off the track it then turns its control fins in the direction that is  on the track... we are much the same way, we operate by hind site...
it would be great if we new before hand what was going to happen in a relationship so we could aim properly... but people don't work that way...
so we Must endure the Hind-sight in order to get where we want to be.
  Its very natural to be aprihensive about starting a relationship. add to that the publics Stigma about TS's in general and you have realy good reasons  not to go into one at all... but if your strong you can do it !
Look back in your past as a Learning experience, not a time of pain. this is very important and I can't stress it enough... you have to let go of the sadness and the pain in order to move on. But Remember it enough so You don't deviate from the intended flight path in the future.
How do you get rid of the pain ? Revisit it in your mind till it softens its blows, till it becomes mundaine.... of no consiquience.... the fire dies.
face the pain in your hart and stand up to it. Your strong and You can certainly face something in your own mind ! 
However We frail humans like to run from our own painfull memories and not look at them at all...  that is why when you remember a certain incident the tears come to your eyes.... the pain is still there !  Stop that pain ! You have the control to do it , and what ever it takes in your mind to do
it, you Must ! ....
Thinking about my own life, the hardest thing I have had to do and face in the last 50 years was to put my Dog down, that hurt and still hurts, but i am getting over it, Not only was he my buddy but a friend and companion the best dog we ever have had , he understood english and even spoke some words , his loss was magnified by the fact that i had to be the one to put him out of his misery.
But sad though that may be, the pain can be controled ! at first when the pain was sharp and mean, i simply didn't alow myself to think about it, I would catch myself thinking about it and force myself to think of something else.... this is a hard skill to aquire ! and takes much practice but it helps imencly !...
Later, I began to alow myself to think about it, the pain was still there no doubt, and tears would come to my eyes as i thought of those big brown eyes.
Infact i am still in the proccess of getting over it... but the pain has dulled, and its sharpness does not cut anymore, its uncomfortable but not tear-jerking to think about any more.... time is my friend in this !
  In the same manor You can Kill all the pain in your hart... and be rid of the pain once and for all...... ware it out so to speak, ware it down to where it is just a tiny bump in the road, not a mountian to traverse.
...this is just How I handle it... there may be better ways to do it I don't know. 
  I read a very good bunch of books earlier in life that sort'a set me on the right path of getting MY SH** togather !  it is called Dianetics by L.Ron.Hubbard, I read it many times and read his self analisis book as well
but wound up stopping before i became truly "Clear" as he put it.
  But I rid myself of the fear of crouds, and a few other idiocenquries that i had.... and Life is alot better now for reading them, i recomend them whole hartidly !
Knowing why you do what you do is very important in this life ! if you don't know why you alwayse do domething that you dislike then its time to look deep inside and find out, some times you may not like what you find, other times it will make you laugh ! ....
... I mean , My fear of crouds stemed from getting lost in a croud in L.A. as a kid while christmass shopping ! of all the silly things to have control of your life !  In a croud I would get up tight, and if i couldn't get out of that croud I'ed practially go bezerk... it was ruening my life !i was afrade to go out ! there's PEOPLE out there !!!!!  HAHAHAHAHA
but needless to say, realising WHY, cured the problem in and of itself and I just get nervice now because I don't like the idea of being trampled, but thats all !
  the human mind is a marvelous thing, but YOU must take control of it , don't just go along for the ride.
Ugh, sorry for the Novil again !
I realy must make my posts shorter and to the point !
Sorry about that !

my 25 cents worth !

Bob......
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Kimberly

Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2006, 11:46:19 PM...
Don't blame it on the other person because thats simply not the case .
But keep in mind that the other person might be pushing you away for the same reasons...

Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2006, 11:46:19 PM...
  I read a very good bunch of books earlier in life that sort'a set me on the right path of getting MY SH** togather !  it is called Dianetics by L.Ron.Hubbard, I read it many times and read his self analisis book as well
but wound up stopping before i became truly "Clear" as he put it.
...
Similar book that I think is good, that I have mentioned before, is Psychocybernetics by Dr. Maxwell Maltz, for the same reasons. ;)
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Elizabeth

Hi everyone,

Love is an unexpected cup of coffee, made just how you like it.

Love is a shower together at 2:30 am.

Love is an attentive ear for a boring story.

Love is the outreached arms of a child begging to be picked up and held, without saying a word.

Love is the electricity between two hands, being held on the couch watching the evening news.

Love is taking away someones pain, to ease your own pain.

Love is a feeling that the good will always outweigh the bad.

Love always,
Elizabeth
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Bob

Very True Kimberly ! but i wasn't talking about the feelings of the "intended Victom" so to speak <grin> I was talking about Yourself ! remember that You are in control of your own thoughts, your own emotions, likes and dislikes... and because of that its nobody elses problem ...its YOURS... yours to live with, or to change to how you want yourself to be.
If you find that you start backing out of a relationship as it is just getting started and there is no reason for it  but fear. then you can change that !
the key is to reconise first, what your doing and why !
...
As you can tell I am a great advocate of "Knowing Yourself"  as far as I am concerned it was paramount in my life ... Some folk go through their entire lives hateing something and never realy know why...  they chock it off to a personality trate and leave it at that... but its better to Know yourself and know why you dislike something
For instance, (another silly example)  I used to realy hate sit down theaters
infact i wouldn't go to them at all... when I got surching as to why i came up with ...."People"... and i never realised it was the Croud that made me dislike the Theaters but it was... once Rid of the croud problem in my mind  I then had to go through every aspect of my life to see what else it messed up !   ofcorse when I realised it was the croud THING that bothered me about the sit down theaters  I could go to one and actually enjoy it .
So what I'm saying is if you find yourself doing something that you don't like, Like Milissa's backing out of a relationship before its even had a chance to start, then you need to change that by realiseing what you are doing ...the what, when, how ,why and where of it.
Milissa had already got half the battle done because she realises that she is doing it.... the hardest part about changeing yourself for the better is reconiseing your own faults...they hide from our awareness extreamily well.
... to that end I sat down with my beloved wife one day and asked her ok, whats my faults !?!?.... and I got an honnest answer and a list about as long as my arm ! HAHAHHAHA... but SHE could see them where i could not.
hehehe  I was just thinking  its about time to do that again I think...I wonder if the list will have changed or grown longer ?
but anyway, I'm hijacking this thred and I don't wann'a do that !
so I'll shuddup !
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What is True Love ?
  My wife and family, thats easy for me ... because after all we've been through they still love me ! <grin>
I was going to be Onery and say a Warm puppy ! because they love with no expectations, no real demands, they just Love ya because your theirs !
besides you make a great Chew stick ! hehehehehe
Bob.....

(ps. and Yes, PsycoCybernetics by Doc Maltz was one of the first that i read)
these books will indeed help you to become the person you want to be !
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Chynna

Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2006, 05:04:37 AM
Ok Chynna I gott'a ask !
Why do you do that to yourself ? you are robbing yourself of the best life has to offer in so doing, well thats my opinion anyway... Yes it would help when breaking up there is no doubt there, but you are missing so very much that way!

Good question.....Because I can!!

is the only answer I can give you...
Comes from years of abuse and is a character flaw I admit but it is what it is baby and I am all that I can be...

But love the advice! And the post...Im impressed

CHYNNA
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