How many of my unicorns once identified as transsexual?

[Pica Pica]

Off the cuff, but viewed about it from a longer shot, its all a bit silly. Being androgyne is fine, I have learned to accept it, but to think about it often as I do, to write about it, to wish to understand and publicise it - all wishes I have - seems bloody daft sometimes. I'm comfortable being androgyne, on the contrary, discovering myself to be so has made me whole and comfortable in myself for the first time ever. So sometimes it seems extremely ludicrous to be going on about it.

And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

It's not a joke, it's not bat->-bleeped-<- crazy and it's not a punchline, but it is pretty silly sometimes.

[Shana A]

I take my gender very seriously, and have probably spent way too much thought and effort into understanding it. Not to mention the cost of buying every book on the subject of transgender  If I didn't have a sense of humor about it, and the ability to laugh at myself sometimes, I probably would've ended up committed to the psych ward wandering the halls talking to self.

Z

[Rowan_Danielle]

Off the cuff, but viewed about it from a longer shot, its all a bit silly. Being androgyne is fine, I have learned to accept it, but to think about it often as I do, to write about it, to wish to understand and publicise it - all wishes I have - seems bloody daft sometimes. I'm comfortable being androgyne, on the contrary, discovering myself to be so has made me whole and comfortable in myself for the first time ever. So sometimes it seems extremely ludicrous to be going on about it.

And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

It's not a joke, it's not bat->-bleeped-<- crazy and it's not a punchline, but it is pretty silly sometimes.

We think and thinking is part of human sexual relationships.  That ability also makes it possible for us to wonder what it would be like to be on the other side of the gender spectrum.

[Maddie Secutura]

It would be nice to not have to think about it though.

[NickSister]

You know, sometimes I am not sure I even have a gender. Sure I have this gender identity we call androgyne - but really I think it could just as easily be the absence of gender or faulty gender or incomplete gender or even a gender without boundaries.

Can you take gender seriously when you don't really have one or have a broken one or have one with no margins? Yeah, it is serious business this whole gender lark but I think much of our efforts as androgynes is about resisting societies efforts to squeeze us into a limited hole when we are really the entire board including the hammer the holes and the pegs. We have no need for the rules and don't need to be tamed. I can laugh at my gender because it does not bind me (haha my non-gender, you undefined thing of beauty, my constant non-judgemental companion, free spirit that won't be tied down, whirling banshee...), unfortunately everyone else's gender wages war against me. My gender (I'm going to call it Bob, has a certain ring to it, my gender Bob, it looks like Pica pica but with black hair and it is handsome and beautiful and dapper and apologetically English in a way only Pica pica can be, with a dash of Slavic Cosak thrown in for good measure), my gender gets upset when others try to enslave us. This is what I struggle with.

So I guess the conclusion of my mini speech is that I take other people's gender very seriously, but my own, lovable free spirited creature it is, is a good laugh.

(actually I'm not sure if I have ever laughed at my gender, I think Bob would feel terribly wounded)

[Nero]

My gender (I'm going to call it Bob, has a certain ring to it, my gender Bob, it looks like Pica pica but with black hair and it is handsome and beautiful and dapper and apologetically English in a way only Pica pica can be, with a dash of Slavic Cosak thrown in for good measure),

Haha. Guess I'm the dash of Cossack thrown in. Such were my ancestors.

[NickSister]

Haha. Guess I'm the dash of Cossack thrown in. Such were my ancestors.

I believe there is a good chance of Cossack blood in my family. Both sides of my family are from Poland, and our ancestry includes Prussians and people from the shifting borders of Russia, Poland and the Ukrain. My wife is always saying I have slanty eyes that come from my Mongol ancestors and dark skin from Indian Gypsies 

If you ever get a chance you should try to get your hand on a movie called "with fire and sword". Brilliant movie, I think you might like it. The Cossacks are really cool with their long moustaches that they tuck one end of behind their ears and they swagger around like land pirates, sword in one hand and smoking long pipe in the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Fire_and_Sword_(film)

[RebeccaFog]

It would be nice to not have to think about it though.

yeah.

Posted on: February 27, 2008, 03:45:49 PM

You know, sometimes I am not sure I even have a gender. Sure I have this gender identity we call androgyne - but really I think it could just as easily be the absence of gender or faulty gender or incomplete gender or even a gender without boundaries.

Can you take gender seriously when you don't really have one or have a broken one or have one with no margins? Yeah, it is serious business this whole gender lark but I think much of our efforts as androgynes is about resisting societies efforts to squeeze us into a limited hole when we are really the entire board including the hammer the holes and the pegs. We have no need for the rules and don't need to be tamed. I can laugh at my gender because it does not bind me (haha my non-gender, you undefined thing of beauty, my constant non-judgemental companion, free spirit that won't be tied down, whirling banshee...), unfortunately everyone else's gender wages war against me. My gender (I'm going to call it Bob, has a certain ring to it, my gender Bob, it looks like Pica pica but with black hair and it is handsome and beautiful and dapper and apologetically English in a way only Pica pica can be, with a dash of Slavic Cosak thrown in for good measure), my gender gets upset when others try to enslave us. This is what I struggle with.

So I guess the conclusion of my mini speech is that I take other people's gender very seriously, but my own, lovable free spirited creature it is, is a good laugh.

(actually I'm not sure if I have ever laughed at my gender, I think Bob would feel terribly wounded)

see my sig, Bob.

[Kir]

And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

Funny you should say that, but gender actually can be confusing for animals too. I grew up on a farm, and you see many strange things there.

Once I met a female goat that was pretty convinced it could mount a male goat, but we very NOT interested in being mounted herself, so I would say that goat was pretty convinced it was male, and that it preferred male goats (she completely ignored other female goats). I met a sheep that was intersex too (we referred to it as 'it' for a lack of better pronouns at the time). (side note, did you know that male sheep and goats masturbate? Well, sorta, more like self-oral)

My favorite strange animal was an emu though. Her name is Baby, and my parents still have her. She hates other emus. Male, female, it does not matter, she hates them, and will kill them. She gets along fine with goats however (although she likes to chase chickens and dogs, but means them no harm). However, she is attracted to humans. Primarily female humans. She's friendly with male humans, but usually doesn't express sexual interest. She however will flirt heavily with female humans (yes, animals flirt) however she is pretty much in LOVE with my mom and I (even though I am technically a male).

[buttercup]

And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

Funny you should say that, but gender actually can be confusing for animals too. I grew up on a farm, and you see many strange things there.

Once I met a female goat that was pretty convinced it could mount a male goat, but we very NOT interested in being mounted herself, so I would say that goat was pretty convinced it was male, and that it preferred male goats (she completely ignored other female goats). I met a sheep that was intersex too (we referred to it as 'it' for a lack of better pronouns at the time). (side note, did you know that male sheep and goats masturbate? Well, sorta, more like self-oral)

My favorite strange animal was an emu though. Her name is Baby, and my parents still have her. She hates other emus. Male, female, it does not matter, she hates them, and will kill them. She gets along fine with goats however (although she likes to chase chickens and dogs, but means them no harm). However, she is attracted to humans. Primarily female humans. She's friendly with male humans, but usually doesn't express sexual interest. She however will flirt heavily with female humans (yes, animals flirt) however she is pretty much in LOVE with my mom and I (even though I am technically a male).

Funny but true Kir.  We once had a neutered female dog who continually mounted male dogs, she really was a funny old thing.
I think animals can have as much confusion as we humans in many different ways.  Sheep that are kept as pets with other dogs particularly, will imitate dogs and we can assume, that they think they are a dog.
They probably don't lose any sleep over it, but the confusion is still there.  I suppose we have a habit of torturing ourselves being the humans that we are, we are all pretty good at that!

[Simone Louise]

I don't know about the nuttery, but I talk to myself everywhere else. For instance, as I was getting into my car this morning outside the grocery store, I said: "Home, James", and the woman getting out of her car looked at me kind of strangely. Fortunately, she didn't call the cops; I hate being cuffed and shackled (but that's another story).

Being of German heritage, I take everything seriously, even humor. I try to live consciously, and gender is just one aspect of behavior and presentation to the world. So taking even my crazy gender thoughts seriously comes easy. Just one more thing to talk to myself about as I wander through the world oblivious to everything else going on about me.

Indeed, I have to devise rituals for myself or I would never be able to get beyond debating what to do next. Also, I am easily distracted. So, on mornings, when the temperature is below 40 degrees f, I wear the warmer jacket, scarf, gloves, and knit hat. When I enter the warehouse door, I remove one glove and unzip my jacket. I punch the time clock, set down my water bottle, remove the other glove and the hat. After pulling off one sleeve, I remove and fold scarf, remove other sleeve, put hat, glove, and scarf in sleeve, and hang up jacket. After a stop in the bathroom, I am ready to work. My boss has watched me and joked about how I must do the same thing everyday. If I am convinced there's a better way, I'll modify the ritual, but it will still be a ritual.

Being androgyne bothers me, I suppose, because I cannot as yet reduce it to ritual. In a sense, it would be easier to be mtf, because I could follow prescribed protocols (Or maybe not. I would still question each step). It's analogous to religion, I suppose. I could never follow another's prescriptions and proscriptions, but must be free to listen and analyze, though my final decision is usually intuitive, more than rational.

The point is, if there is a point, I love this group, because so much is open to questioning and to debate. There are leaders, but no authorities. Everyone seems to be living earnestly and consciously. Whether we are unicorns or simply crazy doesn't matter. We embrace life's pains and joys with appropriate humor and humility, and I should be doing the dishes and beginning to make sausages and penne, but got distracted. Sobeit.

Warm regards,
Simone

[RebeccaFog]

The point is, if there is a point, I love this group, because so much is open to questioning and to debate. There are leaders, but no authorities. Everyone seems to be living earnestly and consciously. Whether we are unicorns or simply crazy doesn't matter. We embrace life's pains and joys with appropriate humor and humility, and I should be doing the dishes and beginning to make sausages and penne, but got distracted. Sobeit.

Warm regards,
Simone

Hi Simone,

      I really like this part.

[Jaimey]

Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

DAMN!  I SO wanted to make a guano joke, but you beat me to it, Pica!  I should've checked back sooner!  I don't mind the bat->-bleeped-<- comment...I've been told several times that I am full of ->-bleeped-<- (I can't deny it...).  And here's my ->-bleeped-<--eatin' grin .

Can't speak for your peers, but here's my thoughts anyhow.

I know how you lovelies like to joke but describing yourselves as 'bat->-bleeped-<-' could be taken as belittlement of your gender. When one's gender, one's very identity is denied legitimacy even in the trans world, you should take yourselves, your gender, a bit more seriously, my friends.

Yes, yes, we do.  And we don't take ourselves so seriously that we would be offended by a comment that wasn't meant to be offensive.    We have to be light hearted.  I don't think we have a choice.  Whether that's a result of being androgyne or of our similar experiences, it is definitely one of the positive things that have come from it.

The point is, if there is a point, I love this group, because so much is open to questioning and to debate. There are leaders, but no authorities. Everyone seems to be living earnestly and consciously. Whether we are unicorns or simply crazy doesn't matter. We embrace life's pains and joys with appropriate humor and humility, and I should be doing the dishes and beginning to make sausages and penne, but got distracted. Sobeit.

Warm regards,
Simone

Hi Simone,

      I really like this part.

Me too.

[Wing Walker]

Haha. Guess I'm the dash of Cossack thrown in. Such were my ancestors.

I believe there is a good chance of Cossack blood in my family. Both sides of my family are from Poland, and our ancestry includes Prussians and people from the shifting borders of Russia, Poland and the Ukrain. My wife is always saying I have slanty eyes that come from my Mongol ancestors and dark skin from Indian Gypsies 

If you ever get a chance you should try to get your hand on a movie called "with fire and sword". Brilliant movie, I think you might like it. The Cossacks are really cool with their long moustaches that they tuck one end of behind their ears and they swagger around like land pirates, sword in one hand and smoking long pipe in the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Fire_and_Sword_(film)

The word "Cossack" came from the Turkish language and means "free man" or "one who accounts to no one."  They were some pretty tough guys and they were in my ancestry as told to me by my paternal grandmother.

I have no idea of how many Cossacks were transsexual.

As for me, generations downstream, I was 9 years old when I knew that my school uniform should have been a green jumper, white blouse, white or green knee-highs, and brown or black slip-ons instead of trousers, white shirt, bow tie, and dark shoes.  I was in-line, standing behind the girl whose attire I described and I felt a profound longing to be her.

Has this answered your poll question?

Wing Walker

[Autumn]

Guano is apparently excellent tender  >

If a person can't look at theirself and genuinely laugh about some things, I don't envy them. The transsexual who wants their weenie cut open and inverted talking to the boy who says he's both male and female (or neither, depending on the day) - who's the pot and who's the kettle? From a normal human perspective.

See my signature. It's the human condition.

Though this thread's point about avodart not being a very strong anti-androgen kind of made me sad.

[tekla]

Few things are as important in life as a good sense of humor about yourself.  Those who can't take a joke are pretty much left out of the give and take banter that runs most social conversations. 

[cindybc]

Thanks Tekla

I quite agree, I love using humor and it goes a long way when it comes to interacting with the outside word. I love to bring smiles and laughter. The way I figure it, why would anyone even think negative when they're too busy laughing their butt off.  Humor, imagination and book writing is what got me through all the lumps and potholes in the road of my life.

Cindy

[Seshatneferw]

The transsexual who wants their weenie cut open and inverted talking to the boy who says he's both male and female (or neither, depending on the day) - who's the pot and who's the kettle? From a normal human perspective.

Then again, the 'normal' human perspective would force everyone into one of the two main categories, despite clear evidence that there are people who don't fit either mold. Is that any more sane? 

Though this thread's point about avodart not being a very strong anti-androgen kind of made me sad.

It's very strong (in the sense of making just about all DHT go away), it just isn't a general anti-androgen (in the sense of blocking the rest of the androgens, mainly T). Remember, it's really intended for men; it's just that for people like us its side effects are for the most part as desirable as its intended effects.

And there's no need to be sad about it, really. Figure out what you need and then try to convince an endocrinologist to figure out how to achieve that.

  Nfr

[Nero]

Humour has its place.

[Pica Pica]

Humour has its place.

It's place is mostly where it raises its head.