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Genitals - To Hate or Not To Hate?

Started by Nero, February 27, 2008, 05:45:10 PM

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lady amarant

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Berliegh

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lady amarant

Quote from: Renate on March 07, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
I would like to learn more advanced techniques involving steel strapping and come-alongs.



Woohoo! Sounds like fun.
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Posted on: 07 March 2008, 12:26:45
Quote from: Berliegh on March 07, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
how immature can you get?

Well... we are mostly teen and pre-teen girls and boys around here anyway...

transition is a second puberty, after all!

;D
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Annwyn

Lol, I look at some 12 year old girls and sometimes wonder how different I can really be, going through puberty and all that, LOL.
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Audrey

Quote from: Berliegh on March 07, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
how immature can you get?


Oh lighten up.  Whats the point of life if you can't be ridiculous once in a while.

I thought it was funny Renate.

Audrey
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deviousxen

You see... Thats why typing is primitive. You can't understand tone of voice or body language LOL.

I didn't laugh at all..


Haha
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CynthiaAnn

Quote from: Nero on February 27, 2008, 05:45:10 PM
So, this is a discussion about birth genitals and what they mean or meant to you.
Like em or loathe em - do share.

Interesting older topic dug up from deep in the TS db

My answers,

Birth genitals were sometimes embarrassing, sometimes uncontrollable, sometimes gross, sometimes unbearable, sometimes producing children, sometimes not fitting my underwear, sometimes shrinking, sometimes shriveling, sometimes tucked, sometimes sliced, one day to be made beautiful....

C -
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F_P_M

so poetic C!

In my case mine are pretty easily ignored. I suppose the advantage of the uh.. feminine undercarriage (so to speak) is they're not staring at you every time you pee or shower. They're kinda.. nice and hidden away so easier to just flat out disassociate from.

Now i'm gonna be honest, vaginas kinda scare me. And it's weird because I find women really attractive but vaginas just really squick me out. I dunno why, they're like.. mystereous dark caves with wibbly bits and flaps and god knows what.
lol.

I regard my own with a sort of medical detatchment. It's there, kinda like my nose or my ear canal or whatever.
I learned a LOT about female anatomy when i was going through fertility treatment and it was facinating but also super wierd. As a result I know rather more about my internals than I think most people do, but I feel no pride or ownership of it, it's just... a bit of my body. A freaky wierd bit of my body that does strange and terrifying things but still, just a bit of my body. A confusing messy bit of my body but eh.

Would I like to not have it? Well that's where i'm not sure. I mean I don't have to look at the shredded mess down there (oh it's not pretty, it's really not pretty. I had kids, 4th degree tear, it's a wreck) and it feels pretty nice during sex so you know, it's good for something.

I admit though, i'd love to not have to endure the random pain it gives me, i'd like at the very least the mess to be cleaned up but the nurse yesterday said it was likely to fall under "cosmetic" because it's not causing any medical issues aside from sporadic pain in the scarring (this might be tmi but basically the skin they sewed back together after that tear has separated again as it healed. the inside stitches held so the muscles and pelvic floor are fine but the external ones, which gave me endless trouble, didn't hold and so it's sort of.. reopened? AIEEE!)

Knowing that makes me pretty uncomfortable. I mean i've known there was a problem for a while but the male doctor refused to really look or acknowledge it becuase he's a wierdo. But *shudder* yuck yuck YUUUUCK.

Anyway, aside from the pain it causes me both internally and externally (yes, sex hurts a bit, but it usually stops hurting after a minute or so so I can live with that) I can pretty much ignore my undercarriage. It's useful for some things (okay ONE thing) but otherwise it's just sorta.. tucked away outta sight and outta mind.

If I could wave a wand and have a fully functional penis and balls, well that'd be awesome fun. I admit I have a lot of penis envy because dang they're fun (ahem). I have a strange sort of... fondness of penises, they make me laugh. Vaginas make me recoil, penises make me smile. (I mean come on, they're HILARIOUS! And sort of strangely cute <_< is that wierd? that's totally wierd to call them cute isn't it? hahaha)
And that is likely a reflection of my feelings toward my own genitalia.

But alas, I can't just wave a wand and the current technology just isn't really there. So i'll stick with what I have, and the apathy I feel toward it. I don't  hate it, I don't love it either, it just sorta... IS. And I can live with that. I think.

to be perfectly honest, right now, getting rid of the bits I can SEE (the breasts) and the bits causing the most problems (the ovaries) is the priority. I hate my ovaries with a burning passion, I call them rude names when they hurt me, I curse them, I threaten to sclup em out with a spoon. THEY are the thing I loathe most and ultimately for good reason, they do cause me no end of problems (stupid cystic diseased things) so they sort of.. take the brunt of my hate and there's none left for anything else.
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Julia1996

I absolutely despised my boy parts. I hated to look at them and when I did I saw them as something that had destroyed my life and kept me from being happy. I often thought of just destroying them. They were just thoughts though and I would never have acted on them. Though I did enjoy totally smashing and flattening them when I tucked. Having my SRS surgery was one of the happiest experiences of my life!
Julia


Born 1998
Started hrt 2015
SRS done 5/21/2018
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Kylo

I don't much care about them. I think I did when I was younger, but now I just disregard the whole thing. It's not important to me, or anyone else since it's not on show or anything, unlike breasts are. Sure, I'd prefer certain things if they could be materialized into existence but they can't be, and I don't spend much time or thought focused on my junk  in all honesty. If I did, I'd be pretty bothered but the reality is that I just don't so it's not worth the mental energy.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Bea1968

I like mine.  I know how to use it.  My wife likes it.  In a practical way, for me and my relationship with my wife, removing it would not make sense.  It's really nobody's business what I have or don't have.
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DebbySoufflage

I have mild genital dysphoria.
I would never top someone for example.
I used to tuck because seeing a bulge made me dysphoric.
But then HRT made my genitalia shrink significantly much to my liking.
I have a small penis now and small testicles. Everything shriveled up.
I don't have to tuck these days and I don't mind my genitalia as long as my partners don't touch them. I circumvent my genitalia and find other ways to make sex enjoyable.

My dysphoria about my genitalia is mild enough that I would never bother to go through an extensive surgery like GRS.

I would prefer an orchiectomy if it has to in a few years.
But I'm not sure about orchie either. Because after years of HRT my testicles are damaged enough that they would never produce cis male T ranges ever again.
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Linde

I never had much of any genital dysphoria, until recently!

After I had my orchi, and I got this surge of extra feminine feelings, I start to dislike the remaining little bit a lot.  I have no problems wit putting on any tight female bottoms, because there is hardly anything left down there.  But each time I step out of the shower I see my image in the mirror, and the piece of skin that is absolutely out of place bothers me a lot!

I thought I could do without SRS, but now I have to work on arranging for it pretty hard.
02/22/2019 bi-lateral orchiectomy






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F_P_M

@deitland I feel like that's how i'll feel about my breasts once I get on T. As my face shape changes and body hair sprouts up more they'll be even more out of place and even more disconcertingly "wrong".
And that worries me a bit because that knowledge that i'll likely see an increase in dysphoria makes me anxious, especially with the loooong wait for top surgery in this country.

But I feel like this is all part of the process. As we reshape ourselves we find more that needs to be done. Kinda like when you decide to remodel a house and end up finding out loads more needs doing than you expected lol.

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Kirsteneklund7

I didnt have body dyshoria very much but the male junk dysphoria was often bad. It started at age 13 and I used various philosophical and mental tricks to not worry about it. In the end I knew self harm was a real risk so I saw a psychiatrist and psychologist and began HRT, - a very rapid cure resulted.

Now the male equipment is just there and it doesnt bother me.

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As a child prayed to be a girl- now the prayer is being answered - 40 years later !
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Linde

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on April 29, 2019, 06:00:34 AM


Now the male equipment is just there and it doesnt bother me.

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I was like this prior to my orchi.  It is just pretty handy for urination!  and than about 3 to 4 weeks after the orichi (I think after all T influences had gone), I got this surge of femininity, and along with it came the very dislike of the bit of junk I have left!
The funny thing is it does not bother me when putting female clothing on, I can wear as tight of bottoms as any female, but the knowledge that it is there and the looks of it I have getting out of the shower causes pretty bad dysphoria for me now.  It feels as if I am not really finished as a person.
It has nothing to do with my exterior appearance or my presentation, because I pass 100% all the time, it is this internalized dislike of this piece of skin that drives me nuts.

I can understand that F_P_M has similar feelings, because he cannot avoid seeing or feeling her breasts, and feels they do not belong to her body!
The bad thing about this is that both of us need some extensive surgical intervention to correct this!  And having strangers cutting and hacking around on your body is not really fun to think about!
02/22/2019 bi-lateral orchiectomy






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F_P_M

lol gender confusion there deit.

he/him

but yeah, external stuff is a lot harder to ignore, it's like, right there when you look down all "hey remember me?"
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Linde

Quote from: F_P_M on April 29, 2019, 08:31:57 AM
lol gender confusion there deit.

he/him

but yeah, external stuff is a lot harder to ignore, it's like, right there when you look down all "hey remember me?"
I have to apologize for this.
It was still not fully clear, about the gender you want to be/are seen in your world.  You write that you like some feminine stuff, and mainly hate your ovaries and the boobs.

I now understand that you prefer the he/him when addressed.
02/22/2019 bi-lateral orchiectomy






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MeTony

Hate is a strong word. I hated my uterus. So I had it removed 10 years ago. I'm not very keen on having sex. My parts are missing. But maybe that will change once I get T.

I think it's been about 8 years since last time.

I hate my chest though. I need it to be removed.


Tony
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SeptagonScars

This might get tmi but I'll try my best to keep it clean. It's not my forte.

I used to loathe my vagina throughout most of my life until I finally came to peace with her last year. Up until that point I couldn't stand looking at it, touch it or put anything inside. However, since I once liked penetration in my late teens, I kept trying to enjoy that again and again, but to no avail. It just made me hate it even more.  My dysphoria was always fluctuating between bad and horrible with no good days, it was... nauseating. I was planning on getting ftm srs (meta, hysto, v-ectomy) during 2017, when I had just had thouroughly enough of it, after having been on and off about srs for about 7 years since coming out as ftm and learned about the options.

But as luck and fate would have it (okay, it was the surgeon's unreasonably long waiting list) those surgeries never happened. Cause about a year later, how I felt about my genitals changed, after I had decided to give them one final, last chance. Over a 2 months long time period I exposed myself to my genital dysphoria daily (with lots of self care), and treated my bad case of vaginal atrophy with topical estrogen and dilation, which eventually paid off. And oh my goodness, it paid off so well!

By then I no longer wanted any kind of srs. I became very protective of my vagina and I began to love it. And ever since then I've loved it, although it of course still has its annoying quirks. Especially since I went of T in my detransition and the (not so) monthly red alert is back again. And it brought cramps as well! But over all I've never enjoyed my own genitals this much before in my entire life, it's truly liberating and they're easily my favourite part of my body now, instead of my most hated.

As for my gender... honestly my newfound love for my genitals became such a drastic turn of events that it was what made me eventually want to detransition, as I quite unexpectedly (and both literally and figuratively) found a very direct canal to my own deeply buried and atrophied womanhood. But also, despite being openly detransitioning, I've come to understand that I don't truly regret having transitioned. I just re-identified, changed my style, and want my tits back. So I regret top surgery but I don't regret T although I wish I had taken it with the knowledge of myself that I have now.

My body is quite a puzzle of "this and that" gender-wise now, but I like it. To me my deep voice, facial hair, extra body hair, etc blend in so well together with my vagina, curvy body shape and small frame. My additional male traits look and feel so real and natural, it's as if I always had them somehow. I most definitely became attached to them. They're very comforting to me, both the parts I was born with and what T gave me. And like I wouldn't be me, or this comfortable, without all of that at once. The only thing on my body that feels and looks out of place to me, is my flat chest. That's my only source of dysphoria now, that I couldn't heal away. Perhaps that grief dug too deep. I can look at it, and touch it when I have to for showering and such, and go swimming without my breast forms, but I don't like the flat surface and I still feel that mental trauma in my lack of breasts. I really wouldn't mind having hairy tits after my reconstruction, but I dunno if my extra body hair will stick around much longer now without the T. I actually hope it will though.

I wasn't ever a trans man, I was always a woman; I just hated being one. Now I love being a woman and I love most of my androgynous body. I seem to be caught somewhere between cis and trans. Not really trans cause of being an afab woman, but not really cis either cause I'm quite happily transitioned with my male traits. The closest label I can find for myself these days is "dysphoric woman" which I'm pretty sure I snatched from radfem terminology.

But as I no longer pass as female irl, no matter how I dress, the treasure in my panties hides alongside my true gender.
Mar. 2009 - came out as ftm
Nov. 2009 - changed my name to John
Mar. 2010 - diagnosed with GID
Aug. 2010 - started T, then stopped after 1 year
Aug. 2013 - started T again, kept taking it since
Mar. 2014 - top surgery
Dec. 2014 - legal gender marker changed to male
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Jul. 2018 - came out as cis woman and began detransition
Sep. 2018 - stopped taking T and changed my name to Laura
Oct. 2018 - got new ID-card

Medical Detransition plans: breast reconstruction surgery, change legal gender back to female.
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