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Genderqueer? Maybe. Maybe not.

Started by madison, April 21, 2006, 03:58:59 PM

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madison

For several months now, since following along and eventually participating here at Susan's, I have considered a posting in this section. I have pondered the reason, the intention, the what, and the why. All of those questions remain unclear, though I feel compelled to proceed.

Before coming to Susan's I was wholly unaware of the term Genderqueer. Though I had heard of gender-bending. For most of my life I have felt out of place and out of step with any particular community. I am a man. I have many male and female characteristics, desires,  thoughts, and emotions co-existing within me. Some of it is physical, some of it mental. Some of it shows itself in appearance and some in attitude. I am more than just a gender-bending man. I am less than a transexual. My sexual orientation is questionable at best. Then this whole genderqueer concept appeared out of nowwhere and gave a whole new sense of belonging, of normalcy.

And yet, there is little to no activity in this board.

Having found the label genderqueer, I feel it would be important to give it some relevance in my discussion. On the wiki here at Susans, genderqueer is defined as, "a person part of a group of people who do not feel that they fit into the traditional two-gender system. As with any other groups that may be aligned with transgender identities, the reasons for identifying as genderqueer vary."

In that brief summary of that wiki entry, I found a lot of comfort. Genetic men and women and transexuals can still potentially fit within that binary representation of gender, regardless of sexual orientation. Crossdressers begin to complicate understanding, and then moving over to genderqueer, you have people not far enough to either end of the spectrum to make sense to anybody. And that is exactly how I feel.

As I made fairly clear in one of my first postings at Susan's regarding effiminacy in gay culture, I was, and still am to a certain extent, afraid of being shunned by the transgender community for the very reason that I do not feel as though I was born the wrong birth sex. I do not have any desire to "pass" when crossdressing. I do not have any need to hide my manliness (but on a less serious note, I will tuck anyway in order to achieve a certain look in certain outfits :) ). I am not ashamed or embarassed by my manliness. But I do feel extremely feminine sometimes. Worst of all I feel all of this at once.

And as you can all well imagine, having any feminine traits as a man in American society rarely goes over very well.

So I find myself, existentially speaking at least, without a community, lacking a peer group. That is until I learned about being genderqueer. I'm not sure if it is the most flattering of labels, but I'll take it. But I still need to find others who also feel this way, who share my real and metaphysical quandries. I still need to share the joys and triumphs that I experience because of those real and metaphysical experiences.

In the rest of the forums I only feel qualified to comment and share my views as they relate to the transgendered community as a whole, or where my experiences are broad enough to give limited advice or thoughts that I feel will be of assistance, sometimes less as a transgendered person and more as simply a compassionate human being. But as much as I can sympathize and show emphatic support for transsexuals, I will never fully understand their situation. Nor do I expect a transsexual to fully understand a bisexual gender-bending philospher fashion bohemian.

And that is okay. But I guess, like Unicorn before me, I am reaching out to those within the community who identify as genderqueer, to share some gender queer issues, concerns, and experiences.

For that matter, I would love to see discussions here from the entirety of the community, relevant to a non-binary way of perceiving gender. I think there are discussions such as the one started by Gina Taylor here in gender queer involving questions of sexual orientation and how it relates to transgendered issues that are entirely appropriate to the genderqueer concept and transcend simple questions of sexuality, crossdressing, or transexualism.

As a side note, I would personally like to offer more support to the FTM community. As I wander the forums, I can't help but notice how "women" oriented this site is. Even when I began posting at Susan's, when discussing issues relating to the community as a whole I would use feminine pronouns, that could easily make those discussions seem less relevant to the FTM population here. I'm not sure exactly how this relates to the genderqueer concept other than I think there are lot of discussions in various portions of the forums that transcend our specific labels and effect the transgendered community as a whole, and I guess this post is attempting to serve dual purposes (oh no dichtomous thinking again :) ). What I do know is, that as a potentially genderqueer genetic male, as much as I can share humorous anecdotes regarding putting Nair in the wrong place, I can just as easily laugh and commiserate with FTM's about issues of masculinity (my favorite being some women perceiving stereotypical male cynicism and sarcasm as anger), and would like to make myself available within that context.

I believe that there are genderqueer questions that affect the transgendered community as a whole, and also specific genderqueer experiences that could give more personal insight to all of us in our personal lives. We all want to be understood and heard regardless of our individual situations. So I invite everyone who explicitly identifies as genderqueer to be a little more active in this forum category and for the entire community to utilize it for some of discussion topics that may fall away from a dichotomous way of considering sex and gender.

I hope you all find your day well.
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jan c

Wow. Where to start. Wonderful post, Madison.
I am TS. And so totally. But I can absolutely relate to the sentiment that a binary system doesn't cut it. I was never a 'manly man'. I always had to hide what/who I am, and really became a good actor (some*of*the*time), but there was (IS) the undeniable aspect of the Alpha Male in me.

Back in what was it? August? when I woke up, I considered, 'perhaps best o' both worlds'. [Now this was alot to do with 'will I be able to continue to function as a sexual being'. (Not that I had been for awhile. arf.)]
Fine in theory, in practice, NG: Don't Work. For me.

Quote from: madison on April 21, 2006, 03:58:59 PM


So I find myself, existentially speaking at least, without a community, lacking a peer group. That is until I learned about being genderqueer. I'm not sure if it is the most flattering of labels, but I'll take it. But I still need to find others who also feel this way, who share my real and metaphysical quandries. I still need to share the joys and triumphs that I experience because of those real and metaphysical experiences.



Lack of a peer group, that is a hard one to do. I have had the epiphany, more than once, feels more intense now than ever, that I have a lesson to learn that includes being my own peer group, my own community, my own husband, my own wife. My experience here has not mitigated that feeling.

That 'extremely feminine and extremely masculine, ALL AT ONCE': embrace the POWER of that, amigo. It is, to me, approaching, in some tiny way, the godlike.

A small example of for me, how this plays out.
I am a guitar player. A kick-ass guitar player. Now, no matter even if I'm able to fully realize the super-hot female erotic dancer that is at my CORE, and 'cute even beautiful', when I play, I'm going to be perceived as something not*too*'female'.
(there was a fantastic guitar player some time ago, April Lawton, played with Mitch Mitchell in a band called Ramatam, ca 1973. Hardly anyone believed at that time she did not have testes. Wendy Carlos did, at one time, and had to pretend she still did for at least 7 yrs on album covers, fake sideburns and male drag, after surgery (name change, whole 9 yds), because of the perception of Alpha Whatever-It-Is in that Industry)

The gender-binary thing has its advocates and guardians where-ever you turn. Don't let 'em get ya.
Find yr day well too, dude.
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Kendall

This post is older but I just wanted to reply to it to bring it back up. Some good points and information are in it. And since then, it has been renamed Androgyne talk, from Genderqueer. Jan and Madison I havent heard from in a while though. And there has been recent life to this section. I respect these two for starting it all out though.

Kendra
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madison

By way of thanking Kendra yet again for her beauty and for those extremely kind words I am also well-aware of my bumping this thread back to the top.

Normally I would be reticent to do this, with any post, particularly one I started. But this post really wasn't about having a discussion, though this was the first thread where I met JanC, if I remember correctly, and I don't really want to make it discussion now. This post may still remain the most cogent description of how I feel and felt. And in rereading this post after being away so long I remember so well the joy, elation, and even sometimes frustration at having discovered Susan's. And maybe by bumping this it might of service to those who have felt that confusion, suffered that sense of loneliness, and that hope that someone else out there, really and truly has felt and experienced the same craziness. Especially today, after having learned of the terrible loss of one of our own, I never want anyone to feel that pain again. I want everyone to know themselves, know they have friends, know that everything can be okay. Others have come before, and more will come later, and we are here now to help each other and make a better world.

Sometimes it so easy to get caught up in our own problems, our own anxieties, our own desires, dreams, and goals that we forget how important it is to give back and reach out. I forgot about my desire to reach out to the FTM minority here on this minority site. I often forget while addressing my own problems that there are other people out there more confused, more lonely, and in more need of a friend than even me. I forgot that as easy as it is for me to intellectualize and wax philosophical, we also need to actually just talk and laugh. I've always wanted people to reach out to me, and maybe now that I'm feeling a little bit better about myself, a little bit stronger, maybe I should remember that I need to do some reaching.
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