the future of stealth status

[deniz]

nowdays, science and modern medicine,+ internet+ makes ts start their transition at a young age.that means their appearance will not be  different than natal woman's. So stealth will be an easy option.Do you believe that in the future stealth ts will be a LOT more than in the past? Because, if it is easy to go stealth basen on appearance criteria, then the choice is only phycological.
what do you believe.

[lady amarant]

Good question hon.

I think it will depend very much on the person, as you say, but as society becomes more and more exposed to us, and get more used to and accepting of us, it will gradually become easier for us to be open about our pasts. That won't happen immediately though. Medical science is wah ahead of social acceptance, and as such you will probably see a huge increase in stealthy ex-trans people, and in trans people overall. Then gradually, as those who are out and open make us an everyday thing, more and more people will feel comfortable with not being stealth. That's my fervent hope, anyway.

[kristinrichann]

sence the 50's we have come a long way. but we still have long way to go. there is still too much negitivity that we have to concure in this world. it how ever seams to be tolerated to a degree in a few larger citys. (notice I said "tolerated" but not excepted) but when you start to get into the outskirts you find even more perdjustice. my sister still does not understand this. even with the media coverage.  but it is as I tell her like how some people see the Jewish people,  the mormons, blacks, mexican. etc. the list can goes on.  people have too much that they have to overcome from their teachings   I call it the sins of the fathers.  some were it needs to stop.  but maby in time there will be exceptance with everything  this is one thing that I do believe that there needs to be a hate bill atached to it all. something to give the shock treatment that harm will not be excepted to any of us and not just the transgendered.  I still see hitler and his gastopes running around out there even in the good ol USA. ( I thought we faught to get rid of this thinking)
just my two cents
take care ya all
Kristin

[Sheila]

I think in the future no one will care. If you are trans or not. I would imagine that the way you present yourself would be who you are.
Sheila

[kristinrichann]

Sheila
one could only hope.  not just yet in our time. look how some of us are alone then there are thouse that are lucky that they find exceptance. usaly in some of the bigger city's.  it is a nightmair that we all have to go through. even when we are not shure even about what we are going through "who do we trust "  there is danger behind every corner from most of society because of the labels that have been put on us. we didn't lable ourselfs we were labeled by society in general  I have met a few people that are excepting then there are thouse that are excepting to your faice (carefull when you turn your back) then there are thouse that just flat call it as they see it (the most dangerious). when we develope a relationship with another person we have to be honest with that person just as we have to be honest with our selfs  this is something that we can not in all realty hide   if we aren't truthfull and they find out then were is the trust in the relationship   I know a few sisters just dont tell and I worry about them when it is found out (if it is)  I have known a few sisters that have been honest (resently) and they are no longer with us ( this is why I suport the hate bill) but in the same breath there are a few that do have a life a real life  but even of thouse there are thouse that have had to move or were hurt by someone that they care about    no matter were we go we have to be verry carefull (basicaly keep a set of eyes in the back of our heads).  personaly I am a country girl and were I live it is tollerated as long as they dont  and aren't confronted with it   I tryed the city life once and I can truthfully say it isnt for me but then it isnt for everyone.  I have had to faice the negitivity from famely and friends my whole life lost famely after friends and famly to were I only have my imediat famely but I am thankfull that I have at least that. I guess in reality that we have to be carefull no matter were we go. there are thouse few that are realy dangerious to us as well as themselfs
it doesnt mean that we cant trust but we need to be carefull were ever we go
TTFN
Kristin

[cindianna_jones]

I believe that we will always be visible.  There will always be people who abhor us.  That's just how it is.  If we are different in any way, there will be antagonism.  That's natural selection at work.  Yes, hate and love are both learned traits.  Naturally, self preservation is key.  Perception of something different plays into self preservation.

The only way we've been able to grow as a society is to somehow manage the hatred that we learn to develop.

I do think however, that within two or three generations, people like us will face very little objection in society in general.  In many cases, a transgendered person will be able to live in stealth if he or she chooses to do so.

Cindi

[Sheila]

Cindi, you said what I was thinking. I do know that discrimination will always be around. Look at the Jewish religion, you would think that people would not discriminate on a religion that has been around for thousands of years. They do, but they are accepted by the general public, just like I think we will in the future. Yes, it will take a couple of generations but look what we have accomplished in the last 20 years. I sometimes think that it will not take a couple of generations, but I'm really optimistic about life. I live my life in the open and in a fairly small town. I go everywhere and I don't know if I pass all that well. I believe I do, but I'm no beauty queen either. Lets just pray or meditate or whatever you do in hopes of curing discrimination. It will take a miracle, but I believe in miracles.
Sheila

[tinkerbell]

Sooo, how long until we reach that "future"?  one year, five, ten, fifty, one hundred, two million.  Until that time, I will continue to live in stealth! 

tink

[cindianna_jones]

Sooo, how long until we reach that "future"?  one year, five, ten, fifty, one hundred, two million.  Until that time, I will continue to live in stealth! 

tink

I'm thinking that within two or three generations, it will be pretty much a non issue.  Of course by that time, I'll not be here for anyone to hold this opinion against me!

In real years that would be 40 to 60 years.

Cindi

[tekla]

Given:  That more information, on more people, has never been as accessable as it is now.

Given:  That search engines will become better, more powerful, and more accurate.

Given:  That Moore's Law is correct.

Then, the future of stelth is damn close to zero.

[cindianna_jones]

Given:  That more information, on more people, has never been as accessable as it is now.

Given:  That search engines will become better, more powerful, and more accurate.

Given:  That Moore's Law is correct.

Then, the future of stelth is damn close to zero.

You are probably correct as far as information is concerned.  But I do believe that there will come a day when this TG thing isn't terribly important to most people and they will let us live our lives as "normal" people.

There will then be another diabolical issue to slay.  It might be health care criminals who are a drain on the social system.... you know those terrible people who have diabetes or genetic diseases who soak up health care resources.  Who knows.  But I honestly believe that most people will see or hear a TG and not even care.

Cindi

[tekla]

Hey Cindi, I'm almost there now.  I don't know a lot of people who live here who care one way or the other.  We try to let people be what it is - whatever it is - that they want to be.  Seems fair, if nothing else.

[cindianna_jones]

Hey Cindi, I'm almost there now.  I don't know a lot of people who live here who care one way or the other.  We try to let people be what it is - whatever it is - that they want to be.  Seems fair, if nothing else.

Where do you live?  On the moon?  It has to be the bay area or NYC. Even at that, there is still plenty of hatred to go around in those areas.

Cindi

[buttercup]

Given:  That more information, on more people, has never been as accessable as it is now.

Given:  That search engines will become better, more powerful, and more accurate.

Given:  That Moore's Law is correct.

Then, the future of stelth is damn close to zero.

You are probably correct as far as information is concerned.  But I do believe that there will come a day when this TG thing isn't terribly important to most people and they will let us live our lives as "normal" people.

There will then be another diabolical issue to slay.  It might be health care criminals who are a drain on the social system.... you know those terrible people who have diabetes or genetic diseases who soak up health care resources.  Who knows.  But I honestly believe that most people will see or hear a TG and not even care.

Cindi

I agree Cindi that a time will come where people will know and not bat an eyelid.  It's even happening now, some places most people don't seem to care.  A friend of mine works with a transguy, he went through the whole transition and used the male toilets as his changes became more evident and not one person made any nasty comments or trouble.  [Edit:still lots of ignorance around, I live it so I know what its like to experience it, but I have hope the next generation will not suffer so.  ]

But I would like to add I do not like the idea that anyone can find out information about a person!  Its just not right!  We've had people here who have been sacked because while working in a government job they were discovered looking up personal details about their neighbours and friends!!  One was actually using this information against this person and thats how it was uncovered.  Will there ever be any privacy? 

[lady amarant]

Will there ever be any privacy? 

No.

"And always the great Eye, watching everything. Everyone.
It sees all, hears all. There is nowhere you can hide."

This is going to be one of the biggest challenges we face this century.

[cindianna_jones]

Privacy is now gone.  The only saving grace is that they'll have so much data that it will have little use.  It's sort of like trying to figure out how genes work.  Sure, data mining will give the big guys access to trends and the ability to bag a few bad guys.  But for the average person like us, where is the interest?

Don't get me wrong.  I don't think they should have the data.  I never have.  I'll fight their "right" to access in every way that I can.

Cindi

[Berliegh]

nowdays, science and modern medicine,+ internet+ makes ts start their transition at a young age.that means their appearance will not be  different than natal woman's. So stealth will be an easy option.Do you believe that in the future stealth ts will be a LOT more than in the past? Because, if it is easy to go stealth basen on appearance criteria, then the choice is only phycological.
what do you believe.

I thought that was the whole point of the exercise no matter what age you are....

[deniz]

Well i understand that most of you think that being ts will not be an issue in the future.no big deal.acceptance
however, to me, acceptance is sth more than ''ok. you are ts.i am ok with it,no prob.but stay off me and my friends-children etc''
of course nowdays, things are better.
hOwever, i still have not met anyone (at least in my country) to tell him i am ts and remain the sweet loving character he used to be( i mean in love affairs).it;s a shame.and if you think i am deceitful then hell i am. narrow minded education and religion made me the way i am.and i will fight my right to deceive others in order to be treated and loved the way i should have been.shame on me??i don;t know.maybe.

[lady amarant]

Hey, I absolutely agree. I won't be revealing my status to anybody but people I have learned and I'm absolutely sure I can trust with the information. Religion and culture can be abolutely devestating, and quite a bit of why I was so upset this weekend was informed by multiple confrontations with the type.

Nobody, well I anyway, cannot blame you for wanting to be stealth, even to people you love. Back home in the vast majority, if not all of South Africa, the only safe proposition would realistically be stealth for me as well. Big, cosmopolitan cities like London or NYC or Taipei tend to shield us from the realities in most of the rest of the world.

[kristinrichann]

lady amarant you are right you have to absoulty trust the people and even believe that they wont be one thing to your faice and another pereson behind your back   we need to be truthfull  yes the times have changed from when we were younger, but at the same time we are not there yet.  but in the same breath if we develop a relationship with some one we need to be just as honest with them as we need to be to ourselfs. that inside its self can be on the edge. we can think that we know someone, but we do not have the ability to read their mind's.  I personaly because I have lived there in citys like seattle DC (our glorious captial((HA!!)) richmond va  new york  etc think that it is more tolerance than exceptance and yes maby as it was said when will there be true exceptance 0ne year two years five years or a decade.
Deniz you also said it you are being causious because you value your life you are being truthfull with yourself.   you seam to know and understand just what hate that there is by a few for us if you dont mind my quoting you "hOwever, i still have not met anyone (at least in my country) to tell him i am ts and remain the sweet loving character he used to be( i mean in love affairs).it;s a shame.and if you think i am deceitful then hell i am. narrow minded education and religion made me the way i am.and i will fight my right to deceive others in order to be treated and loved the way i should have been.shame on me??i don;t know.maybe."
Cindi our privicy was gone in the 1960's with a bill that was passed it was called the clarence  m kelly act (the freedom of imformation act)  here in the good Ol USA   you from what I have read   moved  aparently because of the negitivity and I hope that yur jornies to get your imformation are going well  I dont know if it was because of them  but I know how the Mormons believe and the labels that they put on others that dont believe the way they do I know this first hand because my SO was and I say was Mormom and that as far as I know is the capitol of the mormons
Hell pay thirty dollers and you can know just about everything about that person  hell even about the last time that they wiped their kitty and how many sheats that were used
stealth is a good thing but in the same breath we dont want to go back into hiding like we were before some of us started finding exceptance with our selfs and who we realy are   but we need to be very carefull with who we share with and in a relationship we have no choice but to share  as I said were would be the trust in that relationship
any way I am sorry that I pored it out as I said I lost a good sister that let her gaurd down and I have learned from her   I just do want to see that any sisters are lost anymore
TTFN
Kristin