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What are the biggest misconceptions that the public has about US?

Started by Just Mandy, March 31, 2008, 11:44:10 AM

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Just Mandy

I was thinking the other day that I've learned so much about GID/TS and there are
so many misconceptions I've had even having dealt with GID for a long time. The
general public is so much worse.

My biggest was that you could not be TS if you were not attracted to people
of your birth sex. It was very confusing to me for a long time to feel female but also
be attracted to females. I really did not know what to think for the longest.

Anyway here are some of the others I think the general public has:

We are sex offenders and child molesters (could not be further from the truth)
TS is a mental illness
TS is a lifestyle choice (this one ticks me off)
TS's get sexual gratification from dressing/appearing like women.
All TS's have female hobbies/jobs.
TS's are all sex crazed TS prostitutes, like they see in Porn.

Tell me your's!

Amanda

Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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Kate

The #1 question I got asked when I came out to people was, "so you're gay then, right?"

Which is a really tricky question to answer, lol. "Well no..."

"So you like girls?"

"Well, no, but that's not the point..."

"So you're gay then?"


Sigh. But I think that's the #1 misconception: that we get more and more gay until we fall off the end of the scale and figure we might as well transition. Hence why I don't like being stuffed under the TG Umbrella, or within any sort of gender "spectrum."

I know we read about the other things (we're pedophiles, sex addicts, in it for the clothes, mentally ill, "gender confused," etc.) in the news stories around here. But I don't think they're the norm, they're just sensationalistic so they get noticed. In Real Life, I haven't encountered any of that.

Well, except for one person who instantly assumed I was getting together with other TSs every night to do drugs and have sex with one another in some sort of sordid TS subculture. He thought chicken pock scars on my arm were needle track marks, that I had my front teeth veneers because meth had worn them away, etc. The insane thing is he's known me for a decade, and knows how prudish I am, so I don't get how he could think that of me. THAT hurt.

~Kate~
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Beyond

Quote from: Kate on March 31, 2008, 12:04:18 PM
The #1 question I got asked when I came out to people was, "so you're gay then, right?"

BINGO!


My ex claimed I decieved her and not only divorced me immediately, but also had the marriage anulled.


And let's not forget the roll of the media!  Julia Serano explains that here:

http://www.juliaserano.com/outside.html#skirt->-bleeped-<-s



OH! Almost forgot.  The public always assumes that ALL people born transsexual are "men" (male-to-females).  And they also almost always assume that we're pre-op.


And they also believe transition is something we decide to do at the drop of a hat.


And they seem to always think we're lying about our feelings (history of dysphoria).


And they don't understand that sex and gender are two different things.


And lastly, as I wrote a newpaper reporter the other day:

QuoteOur media image has come a long way in the last several years and I am quite thankful for that.  After all it allowed me to transition on the job.  Something that would have been impossible 10 years ago.  However, the public still has a lot of catching up to do.  For example ABC News has lots of great information on it's website.  However, you should read some of the comments left by many readers.  It's shocking to see how close-minded many people are, prejudice is alive and well in the USA.  I specifically would ask you to read the comments on the story about the pregnant trans man at the ABC website.  You might say they just need to be educated, but I tell you it goes way beyond that.  Prejudice prevents these people from learning and these people are also completely blind to their own prejudice.  It's illogical and irrational, but it happens.  I have personally experienced shunning from some family members and a total loss of integrity in the eyes of many of my co-workers.  As you can imagine this is totally frustrating and causes a lot of pain.  And this is the story the media doesn't tell, that the way we are treated for this birth condition says more about our society than it does about us.  The problem isn't us, the problem is America still has major hang-ups when dealing with anything related to gender or sexuality.

We still have a LONG way to go.
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foreversarah

Hi,

That what we are doing is wrong, that is why some people don't accept you.

Sarah
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Just Mandy

Not sure what you are saying.... what are we doing wrong?

Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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taru

Here it seems to be the classic "ah, so you are a man" misconception and being generally clueless.

From a doctor's visit few weeks ago:

T: So I would like to get progesterone to add to my current HRT regime that the university hospital is prescribing me but they don't like progesterone since they have no experience with it.
D: So what are they giving to you?
T: Androcur at Xmg and Estradiol at Ymg.
D: That androcur sounds quite high, how does it affect menstruation for you?
T: Well I don't really menstruate since I am trans.
D: So they are stopping the menstruation cycle?
T: No. I don't have ovaries or womb so there is no cycle.
D: How is that?
T: Well I'm transitioning from male to female.
D: Oh, so you are a man?
T: *headdesk*
T: No, not really. So could you prescribe progesterone?
D: Well if you think it will help you. Do you want an examination first?
T: Not really necessary I think.
D: ok. *writes the prescription*
D: have a nice day
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foreversarah

Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on March 31, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
Not sure what you are saying.... what are we doing wrong?

Hi,

That's my point, we're not doing anything wrong but people think we are.

Sarah
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Just Mandy

Oh... yea I see, it's their perception that we must be doing something wrong... fear
of the unknown maybe.

Amanda

Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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soldierjane

That they can't see a reason why we would do this since they can't see it in themselves.
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Lori

Quote from: Beyond on March 31, 2008, 12:32:04 PM

And let's not forget the roll of the media!  Julia Serano explains that here:

http://www.juliaserano.com/outside.html#skirt->-bleeped-<-s


That link sums up everything for me. I love how she explained "the "deceptive" transsexual or the "pathetic" transsexual"

Society is too uneducated, and they may catch up in a 100 years from now. Until they unlock the secrets of the brain there is little hope and it would be best for me I think to be "deceptive" and keep my mouth shut.
"In my world, everybody is a pony and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"


If the shoe fits, buy it in every color.
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Just Mandy

The thing I take from that piece in that we are not very far removed from what a lot
of men consider women and that is as "sex objects" and the media is taking advantage
of that for ratings.

Is there a blurring of the lines for the public between someone who feels they are female and
dresses accordingly and crossdressers or ->-bleeped-<-s who dress as women because that feels
good to them but are happy to be men?

Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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Nero

Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on March 31, 2008, 11:44:10 AM
TS's get sexual gratification from dressing/appearing like women.
oddly enough another misconception is that only Male born people are transsexuals.  Otherwise, I'd have to rough you up for not using the term "appearing like men or women"
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lady amarant

Dunno, the ones everybody's listed here are pretty complete. I can't really think of any to add.

~Simone,
       I was an extra in Clueless.
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Shana A

Quote from: Beyond on March 31, 2008, 12:32:04 PM
OH! Almost forgot.  The public always assumes that ALL people born transsexual are "men" (male-to-females).  And they also almost always assume that we're pre-op.

And if we're not pre-op, that we've "mutilated" our bodies.

Also, they persist in believing that we are our birth sex, regardless of having transitioned, and use wrong pronouns to describe us.

And that we have a Trans Agenda to recruit children, take over the world and destroy Christianity  ::)

Well, I gotta get back to work now, taking over the world is a big job >:D

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Just Mandy

Quote from: Rebis on March 31, 2008, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on March 31, 2008, 11:44:10 AM
TS's get sexual gratification from dressing/appearing like women.
oddly enough another misconception is that only Male born people are transsexuals.  Otherwise, I'd have to rough you up for not using the term "appearing like men or women"

LOL... actually that was a self-centered TS not thinking when she was
typing mistake :)

Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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Kate

That for M2Fs, the driving goal is The Surgery. Probably the #2 question I was always asked was "so when's your surgery?"

They seem to assume that a transition is something you can manage in a week or two. You "decide" to transition over the weekend, make a few calls during the week to schedule surgery, and tada! They're completely unaware of the hoops we have to jump through, the year of RLT, the year(s) of clearances and approvals and evaluations we need.

Heck, my coworker asked me the other day... I bless her soul, I love her dearly, she's SO nice to me, but... she asked me about SRS, "so you're just in the hospital for a day, right? It's an outpatient procedure, isn't it?"

:o

They have no concept of the tens of thousands of dollars for therapy, electro/laser and surgeries, let alone the TIME involved in this whole process. I have to laugh whenever this bigots call us "insane." I mean geez, have THEY been evaluated through years of therapy and psych evaluations for mental and emotional stability? Have THEY been put through the emotional trials of a transition - and come out the other side safely?

By the time we're done this, I don't know of anyone who's body, mind and emotions have been stripped SO bare, examined from every possible angle by various "specialists..."

~Kate~
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lady amarant

Quote from: Kate on March 31, 2008, 03:08:00 PM
That for M2Fs, the driving goal is The Surgery. Probably the #2 question I was always asked was "so when's your surgery?"

YEAH! Half my family was asking: "Has he (sic) had the operation?" None of them were even aware about the hormones and therapy and all the rest tha goes along with it. They all just assume you go, have the opp, and live as a woman henceforth.

Yay! I added one to the list!

~Simone,
       These taglines of mine are getting old now. I'm going beddie-bye.
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Just Mandy

YAY Simone!

Kate... if it were as easy and cheap as everyone thinks it is maybe there would be more of us :)

Amanda
  Still wondering if Simone was really an extra in Clueless...

Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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NicholeW.

'Deceptive' and 'pathetic' TSes are the ONLY kind. And by our very existences we are all 'deceptive.' Yes, it's a media thing. And even the best (Oprah, Montel) of those who actually do have the time and energy and will to help spread a bit more positive aspect of our lives often start with the make-up room. (Yes, Serano points-out all of that in a number of her writings.)

I think the question is why the media does it. My guess is that they do it for the very good reason that prejudice and ignorance are more highly prized than are education and the time and effort it takes someone to get that.

Heck, most people are not particularly interested in 'understanding' us in the first place. They have their own concerns and as long as they determine to their satisfactions that none of the 'deceptives' have ever gone to bed with them, or, more likely, since no one has ever told them that someone they have been to bed with was TS, they don't worry overly much about it.

The old chestnut "as long as they do what they do and don't flaunt it in front of me" attitude toward gays applies as well to us. That has changed somewhat for many of the GP, but still is an alive and well kind of 'toleration' many USA folk live by when it comes to gays and lesbians.

What's behind that? The fear of difference and the dislike of having cherished 'truths' defied and made to seem not-so-true-after-all. And that is the basic difficulty they have with every stripe in the gender-rainbow except for two.

People can see, and inspect if they must, penises and vaginas. Thus, boy and girl. Any sense that the world and our lives are any more complicated than that becomes very problematic. Shoot, just take a look at the virulence of the very fundamentalist among the HBS-ers, and many who are not very fundamentalist at all.

I AM a man or woman. That my genitalia and chromosomes don't match that statement is a medical problem. We struggle within our groupings with the very same questions that the GP struggles with. At least many of us have some experience of living the difficulties and have a major advantage over those that don't when it comes to understanding. Yet, even at that we still involve ourselves with the hating and dismissing of one another to bolster an individual's sense of who he or she is.

The crux is validity and the sneaking suspicion that if I am valid in my womanhood and I live that and understand that in a way that you decline to live and understand your own, that you somehow invalidate my sense of self.

If we can find ways to accept, not just tolerate, one another, then we can perhaps toss out some virulent criticisms of the ignorant GP and the media who feed that ignorance. But, in our quests to 'prove' our own validity we deny that same validity to others. Then we see Anne Lawrence making common cause with Willow Arune and Blanchard and Bailey as an example. Or Cathryn Platine and Sue Robbins joining with Janice Raymond to deny the validity of TS in general.

Of course, Cathy and Sue will be shocked to discover that no amount of joining will ameliorate the very basic edge being honed by Raymond and other 'radical lesbians.' That argument is truly about 'essential' qualities of sex-differences and 'learned' qualities. The BBL stuff is about misogyny on the part of the messires B&B and their profound lack of understanding about how anyone could want to be the subordinate gender when they have the equipment to be the dominant one. These are all atavistic reactions that go way beyond the rational facades that all of these groups want to place over their real concern: fear.

Why would anyone expect the media and the GP to be any different?

Nichole
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