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Started by Annwyn, April 27, 2008, 01:35:03 AM

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Annwyn

So I am not a druggy.  I work in a pharmacy so I can't be really.

But, I do still keep a stock of narcotics and my sleepin pills and sometimes I just trip off my ass when I have a bored, bored night.

Figured I'd found out how many of us are like that:-)

Pardon the blaaaah, I'm doing a constant balancing act with my ehad right now to keep enough focus to write this out.

So how many of you still do that stuff?

I just think that there's a correlation between transsexuals and drug users, habitual or very rare and casual.
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lady amarant

Never got into drugs, thank Goddess, but I found plenty of other creative vices to distract myself from the core problem. To my shame, I still indulge in those from time to time.

Annwyn hon, my thoughts are with you today. *hugs*

~Simone.
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taru

Does having too many benzo and opiate prescriptions count? :-)

Substances can help, but they are a tool that can be very dangerous if misused. I don't listen to the doctors and use less meds than they would prefer (they would like me to use lots of benzos and opiate painkillers daily and I prefer to only take them when there is an urgent need).

I do know some TS people who use (or used to) drugs.
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Case

Can't even if I wanted to.

My work does drug test OFTEN. And anything more than a tylonal shows up.

One month, I did 6 drug test =\
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RebeccaFog

I stopped the street stuff and now all I have are the prescription psychotropics which don't get you high.

It's just not worth it.  It doesn't feel right anymore.
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lisagurl

Being bored is just not having the knowledge of the world around you.
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Annwyn

Oh... I'm not talking street drugs really, just an occaisonal whatever to get you a lil weee.

In my case I've always preferred hallucinogens... no clue why.
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Kt

#7
Every once in a while I put some "Name of drug removed" in the hookah, I tend to use it as an entheogen.
It has no euphoric properties, the good high/bad high rate is about 50/50, but it always provokes thought and introspection, and is interesting, but not especially "fun".
More often I smoke cherry pipe tobacco or other tobaccos, and drink alchohol.
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tekla

Drugs are bad.  People should not do them.  I'm not encouraging anyone to do them.  I've never encouraged anyone to do them.

And I don't do that much anymore, Buds and buds as we say.  A little beer and a little smoke (which all but legal in SF).  Some wine now and again is a side benny to living in Sonoma County and next to Napa.  You can get really good wine very cheep (like 1/2 what they charge per bottle on the East Coast, and if you buy a case - and I always buy a case - you get 15% off on top of that) at the wineries, the tours and tastings are nice, and they tend to be pretty places to hang out.  I am totally bad around good Champagne, it doesn't have to be the Cristal which is kind of pimp crap, or even the Taittinger, Piper-Heidsieck - though really, I'll love you if you do, I'm fine with Domaine Chandon - the American branch of  Moët & Chandon.

The other stuff, its been at least 10-15 years since I've done any coke.  At least 10 for speed, and that time wasn't my fault.  Pills, uppers, downers at least 10 years.  Haven't dropped acid in 4 years - and it was 4-5 years before that when I did it before, and I will no doubt do some mushrooms in May for a very special occasion. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Laura Eva B

Guess my vice is alcohol ....

Post op I saved up some Demarol (opiate) tabs, to have with lots of wine to give me some fun while "discharged" but still recovering in Montreal (!) .... and sure I can understand the addiction.

On the drugs front I've only ever really done weed, and to be honest I prefer my quadruple screwdrivers !

:(

Laura x
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Kt

Quote from: tekla on April 27, 2008, 11:33:47 AM
Drugs are bad.  People should not do them.  I'm not encouraging anyone to do them.  I've never encouraged anyone to do them.
You're kidding right? Drugs are not bad, drug abuse is bad. Many drugs are useful and can be good (e.g. Medicinal Marijuana, and any other pharmaceutical that has helped people.) When used in a responsible and respectful manner, some drugs can open one's mind in new and interesting ways.
As far as blackmarket drugs are concerned, well, if things are in pill or syringe form one should be extra careful, as you never know what is in that, things you can smoke tend to be safer in that sense. My friend's SO died from bad heroin, pretty ->-bleeped-<-ty way to go.
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tekla

Well I assumed by the title that we were not talking about chemotherapy but about the use of chemical compounds that effect the electro-chemical state of the body producing sensations ranging from relaxation, to pleasure, to euphoria and to time/space distortions for the stated goal of recreation. 

And I don't ever say anything about drugs without saying that first, because I don't ever want anyone thinking I'm promoting, encouraging or advocating that other people do such things.  I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 60s/early 70, and I've worked in show biz and academia for decades (both over-run with drugs) and I can honestly say I don't know anyone who was really all the better for doing any of that.  Its not an instant road to ruin for all, most people do some, have fun, walk away.  But for others.....?   I dare not go there.  Most - say in the 90 percentile - of the people I know who have done say, cocaine, its been a nice fun time.  But for the single digit percentage, it was like taking a loaded gun, sticking it in their mouth and pulling the trigger.  Their life was in some ways over at that minute.  And you never know who its going to be. You never know if that number comes up with drinking, or smoking, or toking, or this pill or that one, or this power.  Why take the risk when there is so little to gain?

And its not even the 'drugs will kill you' deal.  Most of the people I know who really messed up their life with drugs did so because they made some really incredible stupid decisions while under the influence. 

That being said, and I'm going to say this as plain as I can, people like to get ->-bleeped-<-ed up.  There are examples in the animal kingdom besides us, but we are the kings of the forest on this one.  The oldest recipe on record is from an Egyptian papyrus and its a recipe for beer.  Matter of fact, we have lots and lots of old recipes for things like beer and wine.  We found out how to do that stuff in pre-history.  We have never forgot how.  The use of psychoactive plants has been around since pre-history, as has the smoking of marijuana.  Face it, people like to tie on on, rev it up, overindulge.  Its nothing new.  People act as if massive drug abuse is something in the 20th century, but face it, how drunk were the people in Rome for the blood sports - I bet they were wicked drunk. 

I'm not at all sold on the 'mind opening' aspect, and if its true, its only true for a very few drugs, the first couple of times you take them.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kt

Quote from: tekla on April 27, 2008, 12:38:50 PM
Well I assumed by the title that we were not talking about chemotherapy but about the use of chemical compounds that effect the electro-chemical state of the body producing sensations ranging from relaxation, to pleasure, to euphoria and to time/space distortions for the stated goal of recreation. 

And I don't ever say anything about drugs without saying that first, because I don't ever want anyone thinking I'm promoting, encouraging or advocating that other people do such things.  I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 60s/early 70, and I've worked in show biz and academia for decades (both over-run with drugs) and I can honestly say I don't know anyone who was really all the better for doing any of that.  Its not an instant road to ruin for all, most people do some, have fun, walk away.  But for others.....?   I dare not go there.  Most - say in the 90 percentile - of the people I know who have done say, cocaine, its been a nice fun time.  But for the single digit percentage, it was like taking a loaded gun, sticking it in their mouth and pulling the trigger.  Their life was in some ways over at that minute.  And you never know who its going to be. You never know if that number comes up with drinking, or smoking, or toking, or this pill or that one, or this power.  Why take the risk when there is so little to gain?

And its not even the 'drugs will kill you' deal.  Most of the people I know who really messed up their life with drugs did so because they made some really incredible stupid decisions while under the influence. 

That being said, and I'm going to say this as plain as I can, people like to get ->-bleeped-<-ed up.  There are examples in the animal kingdom besides us, but we are the kings of the forest on this one.  The oldest recipe on record is from an Egyptian papyrus and its a recipe for beer.  Matter of fact, we have lots and lots of old recipes for things like beer and wine.  We found out how to do that stuff in pre-history.  We have never forgot how.  The use of psychoactive plants has been around since pre-history, as has the smoking of marijuana.  Face it, people like to tie on on, rev it up, overindulge.  Its nothing new.  People act as if massive drug abuse is something in the 20th century, but face it, how drunk were the people in Rome for the blood sports - I bet they were wicked drunk. 

I'm not at all sold on the 'mind opening' aspect, and if its true, its only true for a very few drugs, the first couple of times you take them.

Ok I mostly agree with you, my mistake was I did not read your initial sentence like the disclaimer I believe it was intended to be.

I think it would be wrong to shun a substance, or illegalize something, because some people abuse it, but I'm an insane libertarian for the most part.

You might be interested to know, The Hymn to Ninkasi, a sumerian poem/recipe, is a sumerian recipe for beer that predates any egyptian recipe. (The Hymn to Ninkasi, inscribed on a nineteenth-century B.C. tablet, contains a recipe for Sumerian beer.)
http://www.piney.com/BabNinkasi.html
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Annwyn on April 27, 2008, 11:04:05 AM
Oh... I'm not talking street drugs really, just an occaisonal whatever to get you a lil weee.

In my case I've always preferred hallucinogens... no clue why.
because they're grrrrrrrreat!

but I can't now because of the prescriptions.  I'm stuck using my imagination to make inanimate objects get up and walk around the room.
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Nero

I'm clean now. Have been for about 2 and a half years.
Now I just drink. I've cut back a lot though.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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tekla

Oh I'm not advocating any sort of prohibition, as I do not think it works, and indeed is counterproductive.  (Criminalizing personal behavior, making a medical problem a criminal problem and the creation of ongoing criminal enterprises funded by huge amounts of cash - none of that has a good end.)  But I'm not sure that advocating it is much better.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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lisagurl

With life always being a wonder and the senses offering a world of beautiful feelings why would anyone want to alter them? To be aware and creative the mind looks at the world with awe. Every moment has a million things to enjoy. I have experienced various pharmaceuticals and nothing compares to real unaltered life.
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Chaunte


I will have a couple of beers over the weekend.  Maybe a glass of wine or two, but that's it.  Never did anything else.

The only mind-altering pharmaceutical I use is estradiol, and that's more than enough!

Chaunte
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Osiris

Mixing pain killers and alcohol = me freaking out because I can't feel the inside of my chest- my lungs, heart.

Not one of my shining moments.
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Wing Walker

I have never used drugs and never will.

I am a recovering alcoholic and my sobriety date is September 6, 2002.

I lost my little bro to heroin in 1998.

Wing Walker
Flyin' Straight and Level
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