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Started by Annwyn, April 27, 2008, 01:35:03 AM

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Annwyn

So there's a lot of drug bashing in this thread.  Honestly I didn't start it to get opinions on drug usage.  If I had wanted that I would have asked for it.  I started this thread just to see who does.  Obviously plenty of people do.  It'd be nice to discuss why and all that, but for everyone who just wants to come in and spam it up with how they don't use drugs or how bad they are, that's what we ALL hear from the moment we hit elementary school, if you think we don't know that then you're insulting our intelligence.  Quit it.
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lisagurl

QuoteQuit it

That is what you said about you joining the Marines. What is the truth?
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tekla

But of course you were out to get opinions on drug use.  What was the other option?  Getting the clinical trials?  Interesting reading them clinical trials, but you do need a basic college level of chemistry, biology, 'doctorspeak,' and some anatomy too to really follow them (and even then...)

I have nothing against drugs, though I can see where others do, as they have lost much.  I just have nothing awesome to say about them either.  I don't see where they are ever more than a very expensive cheap thrill.  Some people, many perhaps will tell you that life will get you much higher than drugs will.  I suppose that is true, but those moments in life are often few and far between and not sustainable.  On the other hand, drugs are often better than the crappy times, or even the dull boring times of life, hence their popularity. 

I grew up in a drug capitol at a landmark time for the stuff.  I worked for bands that were legendary for their (and their fans) consumption.  I've worked in venues that were pretty open to it too.  Bob Marley birthday concerts where you couldn't even see the other side of the room for the ganga smoke.  "Tribe" events, like sitting up in the desert (years before Burning Man was even thought of) at Pyramid Lake with people walking around with Safeway bags full of 'shrooms telling everyone to 'take all you want, but eat all you take.'  (Not a good night for trying to sleep, for sure on that, so you might as well join in.)

And I'm sure I could tell any number of amusing stories ranging from snorting pink coke (coke mixed with mescline) at my wedding, to days spring skiing up in the mountains tripping my brains out that were so beautiful that I thought I would explode with it.  Or very strange events deep in the redwood forests near here, or moments out on the beach of supreme bliss, or unusual occurances in the desert (and those are very trippy.)  I went to (as a guest, worker, and fan) a lot of Grateful Dead shows, back in the day (early 70s to early 80s) were you could get the good hook up, and what the ->-bleeped-<-, on occasion they could even play.  But I was dosing my head off back in '74 when I saw Floyd tour Dark Side - that had its moments too.  Or I could tell the story about taking some people out to the coast, and how we were just coming on to this really good psychedelic, and we wanted to hike along the ocean, but we get stopped by of Sheriff's, and they make us get out of the car and help them as about 50 sheep had got through a fence and were scattered along the road - and they needed to be rounded up and moved back.  Now the rural folks know that all animals can be very very hard to catch when they don't want to be caught or are scared, and they can be hard to move when they don't want to move.  I've got my wife (raised a block from Lake Michigan in the Heart of Chicago), and my buddy Crash and his GF from New York City.  They had never seen a sheep outside of a zoo.   Oh yeah, this is going to work out real good.  You bet'cha.  Its the only story I've ever told that someone wet their pants because they were laughing so hard, and yes, it's that funny.

But, at some level, even the ones that are stupid, or that I know look back on and think I was nuts.  Spring skiing is one thing, doing it and trying to ski a winter storm up at Sugar Bowl that time, well, very dumb.  Lucky to be here and all that. 

And, I have been close enough to see the long range effects of it too.  Some dead, others destroyed, many others just lost, and I can't discount that either, and since that's part of the risk, I sure don't see advocating or encouraging, or promoting, or glamorizing, or romantizing any of it either.  And that's what all the fun stories do.  And I don't think there is much of a half-way point between the good and the bad, its a pretty stark contrast.  Its one I see everytime I work at Turk and Taylor and see the CSI people out, Crack Scene Investigators, who are down on their hands and knees digging in the sidewalk for any little nug of white that might be crack, and they try to smoke it.  On the other side of the door is some pretty boy who's sold a million records last year doing a little blast before he walks out on stage to his fans.  Same drug.  Huge difference.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Just Mandy

I've not ever tried any kind of mind altering drugs(alcohol excluded), not even pain killers,
even when I really needed them. I'm not a good girl (believe me, just the opposite
in my youth) or afraid of getting addicted. It's just not who I am and I've never
had any interest.

I have no problem with anyone that does use drugs. I have a huge problem
with locking up so many people that are caught with drugs. I know
it's a problem, but really, does jail do anything to stop a casual drug user?

Amanda



Something sleeps deep within us
hidden and growing until we awaken as ourselves.
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tekla

Legal efforts to stop such things tend not to work unless they are draconian.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Scratchy Wilson

I'm currently taking a break from that sweet lady, Mary Jane. My doc. says it loswers testosterone levels and it would be counterproductive durring the first few months. I still drink, but I'm trying to quit that. Not much for prescription drugs, I'm more of a natural guy. I like psilocybin mushrooms once in a while, but only on rare, special occasions.
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BeverlyAnn

Being a child of the 60's* I will admit to having seen the purple turtle and I do remember one instance when the notes coming out of the television while watching MTV were really beautiful colors.  Nowdays though, it's only an occasional vicodin when the back (3 operations) or knee pain gets too much.

*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD.  Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.

Beverly
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Annwyn

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM

*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD.  Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.
that's so coooool!
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sd

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD.  Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.

Beverly
One of the best lines regarding the 60's I have ever heard.
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lady amarant

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD.  Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.

That just won you a lasting spot on my 'WALL OF REALLY COOL PEOPLE'. Know how lucky you are! Not many make it onto my wall. ;)

~Simone.
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tekla

And here I always thought the classic Sixties quote was "If you can remember the Sixties then you weren't really there."
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BeverlyAnn

Quote from: lady amarant on April 29, 2008, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 10:00:21 AM
*Definition - Child of the 60's - In the 60's the world was normal and we were doing acid to make it WiErD.  Now the world is WiErD and we are doing Prozac to make it normal.

That just won you a lasting spot on my 'WALL OF REALLY COOL PEOPLE'. Know how lucky you are! Not many make it onto my wall. ;)

~Simone.


Simone, I consider myself honored.

Tekla, there are a few blank spots in there.  But I don't know if it's aftereffects or just senior moments.

Beverly
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lady amarant

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on April 29, 2008, 01:48:45 PM
Simone, I consider myself honored.

Giggle. If only I could get onto my own wall!  ;D

~Simone.
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RebeccaFog

"yer substances acain't alter my mind" -

        said the penguin to his briefs.

"fer ma mind is made of granite"

a cool breeze breezes by
   an escalator carries empty loads up
         to the Formica ice caves

No ostriches would have survived here
breath flows like water from a leaking pump

the penguin sets aside his mind
        and enters the sea of graves

thain't no room for alterations in the anti-void





who needs substances?


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Gracie Faise

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Annwyn

Quote from: Gracie FAISE on April 29, 2008, 07:41:04 PM
I've never done drugs  :)
OH MY GOD GRACIE

wtf are you doing here?

lololz.

-hugs you-
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Nero

Quote from: Scratchy Wilson on April 29, 2008, 02:52:19 AM
Not much for prescription drugs, I'm more of a natural guy. 

Actually, lots of prescription drugs are more unadulterated than street drugs.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Chaunte

Quote from: Wing Walker on April 28, 2008, 12:44:23 AM
I have never used drugs and never will.

I am a recovering alcoholic and my sobriety date is September 6, 2002.

I lost my little bro to heroin in 1998.

Wing Walker
Flyin' Straight and Level

Congratulations, Wing on recovering.
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Suzy

I've had my wild days, so I won't try to sound self righteous.  But I quit after my brother died of a reaction to cocaine.

Kristi
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Gracie Faise

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