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What 'type' of androgyne are you?

Started by NickSister, April 27, 2008, 03:11:18 PM

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Eva Marie

For me it changes on a day to day basis. Some days I really like being a male in male-mode, and some days I feel more girly. It is a constantly shifting feeling. The conflict between the two sides of me is always there, and it gets tiring at times.
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Pica Pica

I find it impossible to trust anyone who sculpts their facial hair.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Patroklos

Quote from: riven_one on May 04, 2008, 05:54:49 PM
For me it changes on a day to day basis. Some days I really like being a male in male-mode, and some days I feel more girly. It is a constantly shifting feeling. The conflict between the two sides of me is always there, and it gets tiring at times.
Ditto.

I realized recently that I don't have a "way I am", only an imitation of whoever I happen to be admiring at the time. I watch the L Word and I want to be Shane, a girl (and a lesbain). I watch Nelly and I want to be male and muscular (and a gay man). I've never just been myself before, ever. I suspect that myself might not exist outside of the warring images of my role models. It causes me extreme pain to love my body and happily wear a dress one day, only to want to be the next Eminem the day after. I try to compromise by wearing little boys clothes and short hair with jewelry and eyeliner and my 36D cleavage but it doesn't solve the problem.

I don't know who/what I am. =/
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Lokaeign

This is something I'm thrashing out myself.  I feel desperately wrong in my assigned gender (female), and have severe problems with my body.  I?m told that my textual voice is very male (usually by interlocutors who are trying to dismiss or silence me, so I don't know how true that is).  In my magical and spiritual life, which is such a big part of who I am, I'm told that I play a very "male" role in a lot of ways.  (I'd dispute this, I consider the work I do in that line to be wholly androgynous, and again this is often said to me in a dismissive or derogatory way.)  I like scientific subjects and find them very engaging and interesting.  But I don't feel like a guy either.  I bind (to the best of my limited ability--I'm far too fat for it to work properly) when I CD but I don't pack.  I also have quite a lot of traditionally feminine interests and passtimes. 

I experience myself as very fluid, but that fluidity seems to be rooted in kind of a male place.  The only time I'm really okay with presenting as female is when I do it in such a way as to appear like a man performing femaleness.  WRT my physical self, I can't stand that I have a big top and other female features.  I'd love a nice manly chest, and fantasise about surgery all the time. 

Sometimes I don't feel like "an androgyne" in the sense of existing in a functional gender role at all.  I just feel insufficient, broken and flawed.
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Pica Pica

Quote from: Lokaeign on May 06, 2008, 06:24:29 AM


Sometimes I don't feel like "an androgyne" in the sense of existing in a functional gender role at all.  I just feel insufficient, broken and flawed.


that sounds about right to me.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Constance

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 04, 2008, 08:48:21 PM
I find it impossible to trust anyone who sculpts their facial hair.
Does doing one's best to shave it all off count as sculpting?

Pica Pica

'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Constance


nicola_legrand

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I guess my question is what makes you identify as fitting with the androgynes? How do you see this in relation to male and female genders i.e. are you a mix, neither, 30/70, some other gender or ungendered, pregendered? What is your desired presentation in terms of body and dress?
One thing that happens often is that when I'm with an all-male group, such as some situations at work, or in the pub, I as a bio-male definitely feel more feminine than the other guys appear to be. Even my voice veers off into a higher register. It's not a particularly comfortable feeling, but it's a sign.

In many ways I@m happy with my male characteristics, and am fine with my body and being rather hairy and so on. But I also like pretty things, scents and fluffy tops to wear and skirts. That's how ideally I would dress. It's hot today, and I'd love bo swap my shorts for a short skirt, and might well do so at home, but there are practical problems with that out in the street! The day may be coming when man-skirts and modern kilts and the like are more prevalent, but at the moment I don't fancy being abused, beaten up or shot as I go peacefully about my business.

I am definitely a mix. what numbers to put on it I don't know. If I can rely on all those questionnaires about being masc or fem, well, I'm just about 50/50. I don't feel myself as non-gendered as some androgynes do, but rather both-gendered, or multi-gendered, and very happy to be so.

I've come up with a presentaion that works for me, and that is pretty much a mixutre of male and female characteristics. I wear more colourful clothes than males are supposed to in our culture, and have long hair, but the I have hairy arms and have pretty much a male shape - all I know is that people don't take me to be a woman, possibly they rather take me as a weird kind of man, which is also wrong, but I get through as I am.

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Laurry

Quote from: nicola_legrand on June 08, 2008, 11:49:41 AM
I've come up with a presentaion that works for me, and that is pretty much a mixutre of male and female characteristics. I wear more colourful clothes than males are supposed to in our culture, and have long hair, but the I have hairy arms and have pretty much a male shape - all I know is that people don't take me to be a woman, possibly they rather take me as a weird kind of man, which is also wrong, but I get through as I am.

I think many of us are looking for the presentation that works for us.  It is hard sometimes to find that right look that makes us feel comfortable as ourselves and yet not be so self-conscious about what others may think. I know I am dealing with several issues regarding this.  Way to go for finding one that works for you.

.....L
Ya put your right foot in.  You put your right foot out.  You put your right foot in and you shake it all about.  You do the Andro-gyney and you turn yourself around.  That's what it's all about.
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sd

Wow Laurry, that avatar is quite a contrast to the last one you had.
It's amazing how easy you seem to switch.
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Laurry

Thanks sd, but it only looks easy when you show pictures taken several months apart.

I'm guessing that you saw my current picture (which was up for maybe 10 minutes before I chickened out and took it down).  It's a sad time when Nero has more balls than I do, but then, he is a guy and I'm not.


Quote from: Pica Pica on May 04, 2008, 08:48:21 PM
I find it impossible to trust anyone who sculpts their facial hair.

Woe is me...even Pica doesn't trust me in when I'm in guy mode.  I have enough trouble living with/without a beard without frightening small children and British androgynes (cute as they may be).

......L
Ya put your right foot in.  You put your right foot out.  You put your right foot in and you shake it all about.  You do the Andro-gyney and you turn yourself around.  That's what it's all about.
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Jaimey

Aw...I thought your facial was quite lovely, Laurry.  Actually, you have some pretty awesome hair, so with the gotee (it was a gotee, right?), you looked quite distinguished.  :D  It looks good without the gotee too.  :)  I'm jealous.  Mine's looking a little crappy lately...

...Although I'm curious...have you been to my mom's house taking pictures?  Because that pic could've been taken in her living room. :P  Looks just like my brother's pics on facebook...except you smile.  :laugh:  What is it with teenage boys and smiling?  I just don't get it...
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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sd

Quote from: Laurry on June 09, 2008, 02:33:30 PM
Thanks sd, but it only looks easy when you show pictures taken several months apart.

I'm guessing that you saw my current picture (which was up for maybe 10 minutes before I chickened out and took it down).  It's a sad time when Nero has more balls than I do, but then, he is a guy and I'm not.

......L
No, I missed that one.
I was referring this current picture and the one you were using with beard.

Nero is a special case, he has bigger balls than most.
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Laurry

Thanks Jaimey.  I guess no one saw the other...yeah!  It was a kind of Mick Fleetwood with cleavage look.  Kinda creeped me out...I think it was a little too accurate for my ego to deal with.

Anyway...

Sorry for the thread drift...my bad.

As this discussion has pointed out, I tend to drift in presentation from male-enough to not-quite-female...quite sad, really.  I think I would really prefer to live as if I were a female/tomboy, but I'm just not quite ready to risk everything to find out.  So far, anyway, I have been able to resist, but I know, deep inside, that it is a loosing battle.

Hmmm, thinking about that...it's not quite right.  I want to look like an older version of me before the testosterone kicked in and ruined a good thing...except with small A/B cup breasts.  I want to look boy/girl/whatever again, and be mistaken for either sex.  Yeah...that's the dream.  Now I just have to figure out how to make it happen.  <sigh>

........L
Ya put your right foot in.  You put your right foot out.  You put your right foot in and you shake it all about.  You do the Andro-gyney and you turn yourself around.  That's what it's all about.
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Constance

Quote from: Laurry on June 10, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
It was a kind of Mick Fleetwood with cleavage look.
Now that's a visual I could do without.  ;)

Eva Marie

Quote from: Lokaeign on May 06, 2008, 06:24:29 AM
I just feel insufficient, broken and flawed.

I've been feeling the same way a lot lately. It is not a happy place to be, and life events have not been helping much either.
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